12:27:29 RRSAgent has joined #sdw 12:27:29 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-irc 12:27:31 RRSAgent, make logs world 12:27:31 Zakim has joined #sdw 12:27:33 Zakim, this will be SDW 12:27:33 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 12:27:34 Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference 12:27:34 Date: 06 May 2015 12:27:59 rrsagent, make logs public 12:28:42 zakim, this will be sdw 12:28:42 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, kerry 12:33:21 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #sdw 12:52:44 Frans has joined #sdw 12:53:14 present+Frans 12:53:25 present_ kerry 12:53:32 present+ kerry 12:53:44 present? 12:53:56 zakim, who is in the meeting? 12:53:56 I don't understand your question, kerry. 12:54:26 regrets+ ed, bill roberts, phil archer 12:56:16 okay I can't get audio conference to work on webex 12:58:41 pthiran has joined #sdw 12:58:50 Linda has joined #sdw 12:58:57 Payam has joined #sdw 12:59:13 Rachel has joined #sdw 12:59:36 present +Rachel 12:59:53 present+ rachel 13:00:06 aharth has joined #sdw 13:00:23 What is the problem? 13:00:45 LarsG has joined #sdw 13:00:54 present+LarsG 13:00:59 present+ aharth 13:01:07 No audio device foun 13:01:20 present+Linda 13:01:24 ClemensPortele has joined #sdw 13:01:37 Alejandro_Llaves has joined #sdw 13:01:37 present +Payam 13:01:39 MattPerry has joined #sdw 13:01:47 present+pthiran 13:01:53 present +ClemensPortele 13:02:34 SimonCox has joined #sdw 13:02:42 jtandy has joined #sdw 13:03:00 AndreaPerego has joined #sdw 13:03:39 Bart, you are on Linux? I read you could try it from 32-bit firefox. 13:03:43 present +MattPerry 13:04:06 I'm not gona mess with that 13:04:15 Jitao has joined #sdw 13:04:48 present+Jitao 13:04:49 present +Alejandro_Llaves 13:04:53 ebremer has joined #sdw 13:04:56 present+ 13:05:07 present+ AndreaPerego 13:05:20 present+ jtandy 13:05:26 present+ SimonCox 13:06:05 Adila has joined #sdw 13:06:10 same here; I have to leave early 13:06:43 scribe: mattperry 13:06:50 scribenick: mattperry 13:06:58 present+ Bart van Leeuwen 13:07:01 present+ Adila 13:07:33 http://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-sdw-minutes.html 13:07:38 present+ ebremer 13:07:43 chaals has joined #sdw 13:07:52 PROPOSE: accept last week's minutes 13:07:57 +1 13:07:59 IanHolt has joined #sdw 13:07:59 +1 13:08:00 +1 13:08:03 +1 13:08:04 +1 13:08:05 +1 13:08:14 ChrisLittle has joined #sdw 13:08:19 RESOLVED: last week's minutes 13:08:40 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call 13:08:45 kerry: attention patent call 13:09:18 q+ kerry 13:09:27 ack kerry 13:09:38 q+ pthiran 13:09:46 ack pthiran 13:10:04 pthiran: professor of CS in Belgium 13:10:22 pthiran: interest in GIS and context aware computing 13:11:14 cperey has joined #sdw 13:11:42 present+ 13:11:53 TOPIC: review priciples on WIKI 13:11:57 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Principles 13:12:17 present+ Ian Holt 13:13:09 kerry: principles should be high level vision to guide what we prepare 13:13:28 kerry: Ed has drafted something already 13:13:57 kerry: please review it 13:14:37 kerry: we do expect some non-functional requirements to come out of use cases or be separately discovered 13:14:46 q+ 13:14:51 ack 13:14:59 ack andrea 13:15:39 AndreaPerego: non-functional requirements are basically the same as principles -- specify what to do not how 13:16:40 kerry: example: spatial data on web should be discoverable 13:16:56 kerry: this is a principle not a requirement related to a use case 13:17:13 q+ to refer to the web architecture http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/ as an example 13:17:23 Distinction is not clear to me as well 13:17:24 AndreaPerego: difficult for me to understand the distinction between principle and requirement here 13:18:48 AndreaPerego: my understanding is principle is what we want to acheieve in general and requirement is how we want to achieve that with spatial data 13:19:38 kerry: things should be linked to other things is a principle 13:19:53 kerry: all ontologies should be valid OWL is a non-functional requirement 13:20:12 kerry: to me it's clear but maybe not for others 13:20:15 q+ 13:20:39 kerry: perhaps we can create a discussion around this topic on the WIKI 13:20:51 +1 13:20:57 q? 13:21:01 web architecture http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/ ... "practice", "constraint" & "principle" 13:21:03 ack jtandy 13:21:03 jtandy, you wanted to refer to the web architecture http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/ as an example 13:21:03 +1 13:21:35 jtandy: web architecture adresses a similar distinction 13:21:47 jtandy: this could be a guide for us 13:21:53 http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#pr-global-id 13:22:11 http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#pr-use-uris 13:22:31 jtandy: principle associated with practice 13:22:53 q? 13:23:07 ack frans 13:23:38 Frans: we all have our own ideas here 13:24:00 Frans: I would like to put these things in the glossary: principles, non-functional requirements, etc. 13:24:26 action: frans to put some of these principles, NFRs etc into glossary 13:24:27 Created ACTION-24 - Put some of these principles, nfrs etc into glossary [on Frans Knibbe - due 2015-05-13]. 13:24:58 kerry: jtandy can you help? 13:25:02 action: jtandy to help with glossary 13:25:02 Created ACTION-25 - Help with glossary [on Jeremy Tandy - due 2015-05-13]. 13:25:10 q? 13:25:52 kerry: if you're not sure put it on the principles page and we can discuss 13:26:02 TOPIC: Actions and Issues 13:26:32 q+ 13:26:42 kerry: on left-hand-side of wiki there is a tracker 13:26:42 http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/ 13:26:52 ack bart 13:27:42 +q on Bart suggestion 13:27:48 ack ale 13:27:48 Alejandro_Llaves, you wanted to comment on Bart suggestion 13:28:19 q? 13:28:34 Alejandro_Llaves: purpose of spreadsheet was to show use-cases and requirements and for submitters to check their requirments for completeness 13:28:46 Alejandro_Llaves: if you find something missing please add a comment 13:28:59 q? 13:29:19 kerry: a lot of people have some actions to check their requirements 13:29:51 kerry: I have completed the action to go through headings of spreadsheet to make text clearer 13:30:16 kerry: there are still use cases that we have not been through yet 13:30:31 close action-13 13:30:31 Closed action-13. 13:30:50 Link to the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PSnpJYQDgsdgZgPJEfUU0EhVfgFFYGc1WL4xUX9Dunk/edit?usp=sharing 13:30:54 kerry: the other way to close is through a link on the wiki 13:31:26 kerry: quite a lot of open actions 13:32:06 kerry: Payam had action 20 13:32:14 Payam: I still need to do this 13:32:33 close action-20 13:32:33 Closed action-20. 13:32:49 Not 202, only 101 :-) 13:33:08 close action-23 13:33:08 Closed action-23. 13:33:35 kerry: we also track issues. There are a few things there 13:34:03 kerry: example ISSUE 2 13:34:11 kerry: this is about principles 13:35:07 q? 13:35:13 q+ 13:35:13 kerry: ISSUE 7 use cases should have data 13:35:25 ack frans 13:36:09 q+ to ask about using github issue tracker for issues with the deliverables themselves 13:36:13 Frans: suggest that we should use the tracker to raise issues for use-cases and requirements so we dont lose trace of them 13:36:52 s/trace/track 13:37:17 Please can you confirm which forum to use to comment on issues. 13:37:20 kerry: that was an invitation to the group to raise things as issues 13:37:53 e.g. where do I comment on http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/6 13:38:00 ack jtandy 13:38:00 jtandy, you wanted to ask about using github issue tracker for issues with the deliverables themselves 13:38:25 jtandy: an alternative option is to use github issue tracker 13:38:45 jtandy: can relate issues to pull requests 13:39:16 +1 to github 13:39:46 kerry: I suggest that we use the W3C issue tracker because of integration with IRC, etc. 13:39:49 Too many different issue trackers confuse workflow 13:39:52 e.g. https://github.com/w3c/sdw/issues 13:40:14 q+ 13:40:20 q+ 13:40:25 ack jtandy 13:40:55 jtandy: integration with the minutes vs. integration with where you get work done should help guide the decision 13:41:47 kerry: isses can be managed with the tracker 13:41:55 s/isses/issues 13:42:16 kerry: I will raise an issue for this 13:42:18 issue: whould we use github for better inetgration with work/ 13:42:18 Created ISSUE-8 - Whould we use github for better inetgration with work/. Please complete additional details at . 13:43:10 s/inetgration/integration 13:43:42 kerry: lets continue this discussion later 13:43:47 s/whould/would 13:43:56 s/Whould/Should 13:43:59 +1 on starting with W3C issue tracker and move later to github if needed 13:44:07 kerry: anything else about use case deliverable 13:44:34 +q on use case and reqs deliverable 13:44:36 q+ 13:44:40 q? 13:44:43 Frans: it would be good to start raising isses in the tracker. That's good enough for now 13:44:44 ack frans 13:45:00 Frans: for some clarity on what needs to happen 13:45:14 latest version of UCs and reqs draft: http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirements.html 13:45:38 ack alle 13:46:06 ack ale 13:46:06 Alejandro_Llaves, you wanted to comment on use case and reqs deliverable 13:46:26 Alejandro_Llaves: from our side, we are progressing trying to add requirments from spreadsheet to document. This is a time consuming task 13:46:33 My question was not answered - there is no 'comment on this issue' button on an issue page, so it is not clear where to submit comments. 13:46:47 Alejandro_Llaves: it's progressing well 13:46:50 q- (since we have moved to next agenda item) 13:46:58 q- 13:47:07 Alejandro_Llaves: finished with SSN requirements moving to Time 13:47:33 (I removed myself from q so as not to undermine agenda, but my question remains) 13:48:35 kerry: I would like to ask if you could get some more help from the group 13:49:16 Frans: it would help if we raise our questions on the tracker, which will help force decisions 13:49:50 action: kerry to put ucr issues on every agenda 13:49:51 Created ACTION-26 - put ucr issues on every agenda [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-05-13]. 13:50:02 q? 13:50:43 SimonCox: looking at issue 6, how do I make comments on an issue 13:51:01 kerry: the discussed in meetings or in mailing list 13:51:34 I have a ¨Edit this issue¨ link in the tracker 13:51:35 kerry: best thing is through email list 13:51:59 SimonCox: I could edit the issue but this is disorganized. Other systems allow a comment trace 13:52:24 q? 13:52:43 +1 to github 13:53:37 significant support for github heard 13:54:06 test: SimonCox referenced ISSUE-6 ... let's see if that's referenced in the issue itself! 13:54:38 kerry: contact chairs to be an editor 13:54:41 (seems not) 13:55:04 kerry: please tell chairs if you want to add a topic to a meeting 13:55:23 Shouldn´t the URI of the issue be used? E.g. http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/2 13:55:45 kerry: time to start looking more deeply at relevant existing technologies in this space 13:57:01 http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/ 13:57:19 kerry: use this link to make speaking proposals 13:57:36 kerry: probably 15 min talks 13:57:47 kerry: plus 15 min discussion 13:57:57 q? 13:58:25 kerry: any questions or isses? 13:58:28 silence 13:58:40 rrsagent. draft minutes 13:58:45 thank you 13:58:46 bye! 13:58:47 thx kerry 13:58:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:58:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-minutes.html kerry 13:58:48 Thanks. 13:58:49 bye 13:58:51 bye and thank you 13:58:53 bye 13:58:56 thanks, bye! 13:58:56 Thank you! 13:59:00 thanks, bye! 13:59:03 thanks, bye 13:59:07 bye :-) 13:59:30 ChrisLittle has left #sdw 13:59:42 trackbot, end meeting 13:59:42 Zakim, list attendees 13:59:42 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 13:59:50 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 13:59:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-minutes.html trackbot 13:59:51 RRSAgent, bye 13:59:51 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-actions.rdf : 13:59:51 ACTION: frans to put some of these principles, NFRs etc into glossary [1] 13:59:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-irc#T13-24-26 13:59:51 ACTION: jtandy to help with glossary [2] 13:59:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-irc#T13-25-02 13:59:51 ACTION: kerry to put ucr issues on every agenda [3] 13:59:51 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/06-sdw-irc#T13-49-50