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14:53:35 Zakim, this will be 63342
14:53:35 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
14:53:36 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:53:36 Date: 05 May 2015
14:54:07 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015May/0004.html
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14:59:15 +??P12
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14:59:28 zakim, P12 is me
14:59:28 sorry, MattWolenetz, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'
14:59:35 zakim, ??P12 is me
14:59:35 +MattWolenetz; got it
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15:02:39 Zakim, aaaa is me
15:02:39 +joesteele; got it
15:02:46 +davide
15:02:54 zakim, what is the code?
15:02:54 the conference code is 63342 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:03:02 chair: Paul Cotton
15:03:06 scribe: Joe Steele
15:03:13 scribenick: joesteele
15:03:21 +[Microsoft]
15:03:37 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:03:37 +paulc; got it
15:03:49 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:49 On the phone I see MattWolenetz, markw, ddorwin, joesteele, +1.415.832.aabb, davide, paulc
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15:04:25 aabb is me
15:04:34 Zakim, aabb is me
15:04:34 +geguchi; got it
15:04:35 Zakim, aabb is geguchi
15:04:36 sorry, joesteele, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
15:05:15 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015May/0004.html
15:05:33 topic: F2F action items
15:05:44 topic: ACTION-82
15:05:46 ACTION-82?
15:05:46 ACTION-82 -- Paul Cotton to Figure out what's going to happen to media controller -- due 2015-04-22 -- OPEN
15:05:46 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/82
15:06:14 paulc: contacted the w3c - but AC mtg is occuring in Paris, so still waiting for response
15:06:24 ACTION-82 is due next week
15:06:43 ACTION-82 due next week
15:06:43 Set ACTION-82 Figure out what's going to happen to media controller due date to 2015-05-11.
15:06:53 topic: ACTION-83
15:06:55 ACTION-83?
15:06:55 ACTION-83 -- Daniel Davis to Point web and tv ig members to the use case wiki page. -- due 2015-04-22 -- OPEN
15:06:55 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/83
15:07:12 paulc: don't know what the status is - anyone?
15:07:21 +jdsmith
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15:07:28 +BobLund
15:07:33 ... best bet is to send Daniel Davis an email for update
15:07:38 ... status unknown for now
15:08:04 topic: ACTION-84
15:08:06 ACTION-84?
15:08:06 ACTION-84 -- Paul Cotton to (really rustamk) to update uses cases and arrange for further discussion -- due 2015-04-22 -- OPEN
15:08:06 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/84
15:08:28 paulc: for Rus to update use case
15:08:39 paulc: any status on this?
15:09:12 here is his address -- Rustam_Khashimkhodjaev@cable.comcast.com
15:09:58 topic: ACTION-85
15:09:59 ACTION-85?
15:09:59 ACTION-85 -- Mark Watson to Provide additional technical recommendations for persistent-release-message based on implementation experience -- due 2015-04-23 -- OPEN
15:09:59 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/85
15:10:10 paulc: discussion about this on the email
15:10:12 See also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Apr/0061.html
15:10:27 markw: I did a few things in response, updated the wiki page
15:10:32 ... no agreement as yet
15:10:47 ... also created a pull request to implement in the spec the changes I implemented last week
15:11:08 ... the way that the mechanism works is not to require user agent to do any special work at shutdown
15:11:13 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/pull/54
15:11:20 paulc: can you give the use case link
15:11:23 ... ?
15:11:45 ... does this complete the action?
15:11:51 markw: think this completes it
15:12:05 https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Media_Task_Force/EME_Use_Cases#Limited_Concurrent_Streams_via_Key_Release
15:12:05 https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Media_Task_Force/EME_Use_Cases#Limited_Concurrent_Streams_via_Key_Renewal
15:12:17 yes, that is the link we are looking for
15:12:33 paulc: I am closing the action
15:12:41 ... any further discussion needed today?
15:12:49 markw: no comments on the pull request as yet
15:13:04 q+
15:13:08 ... what I would like to know is whether the changes are acceptable and if we can bring into the spec
15:13:19 paulc: editor comments
15:13:24 ack dd
15:13:30 ddorwin: thanks for updating the wiki
15:13:39 ... replied to some questions on the renewal
15:14:07 ... I was considering extracting Marks info to another wiki path (not removing it)
15:14:26 ... did look at the pull request, but what somewhat hard to review as the enum values were re-ordered - not sure why
15:14:39 markw: It seemed like there was a natural order
15:15:13 ... when you make a pull request on github, it compares against the whole, unfortunately we don't have a nice HTML diff
15:15:33 Spec as revised by PR is here: https://mwatson2.github.io/encrypted-media/
15:15:37 paulc: think that answers the question about the ordering .. maybe should carry forward via email
15:15:43 ... put on the agenda for next week
15:15:46 I can revert the ordering changes if you would like ?
15:15:56 ... let people know if you end up doing additional wiki work David
15:16:00 ddorwin: ok
15:16:29 markw: think it would be good to know whether the approach described makes senses
15:16:41 ddorwin: still parsing and have some concerns, but will respond on the thread
15:16:50 ACTION-86?
15:16:50 ACTION-86 -- David Dorwin to Send an update on bug 27269 -- due 2015-04-23 -- OPEN
15:16:50 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/86
15:16:51 topic: ACTION-86
15:17:13 ddorwin: this was not high priority so have not done anything yet
15:17:32 paulc: let's adjust the due date then
15:17:55 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27269
15:18:04 ACTION-86 due in one month
15:18:04 Set ACTION-86 Send an update on bug 27269 due date to 2015-04-23.
15:18:05 rrsagent, draft minutes
15:18:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/05-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:19:13 paulc: I updated it to May 30th
15:19:17 topic: ACTION-87
15:19:19 ACTION-87?
15:19:19 ACTION-87 -- Joe Steele to Carry out steps 1 thru 6 on the proposed solution to issue-41 -- due 2015-04-30 -- OPEN
15:19:19 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/87
15:19:38 joesteele: think this is done
15:19:45 paulc: I believe it is done
15:19:51 See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Apr/0064.html
15:20:12 paulc: closing with reference to that email
15:20:22 topic: ACTION-88
15:20:24 ACTION-88?
15:20:24 ACTION-88 -- Paul Cotton to Check on whether the proposed generic license request/response protocol is in scope of the current html wg charter -- due 2015-04-23 -- OPEN
15:20:24 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/88
15:20:35 paulc: I did that
15:20:39 See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015May/0003.html
15:20:51 ... the sad news it that it is deemed to be not in scope
15:21:28 ... we were very careful to have a written dialog with the team and they decided this is not in scope
15:21:52 ... the AC mtg going on includes the HTML WG charter going forward
15:21:55 ... Accessibility efforts on under direct study as well
15:22:03 ... lots of thinking going on about new work going forward
15:22:06 -BobLund
15:22:22 ... when team comes back from Paris, we can start working on a new charter for the WG
15:22:36 ... I will recommend that the technical dialogue does not continue on this list for now
15:22:46 ... I will leave this open for now
15:22:47 q+
15:22:49 ACTION-88 due in two weeks
15:22:49 Set ACTION-88 Check on whether the proposed generic license request/response protocol is in scope of the current html wg charter due date to 2015-04-23.
15:23:18 markw: one of the suggestions on the list for this idea was to take the clearkey protocol and wrap it in security wrappers
15:23:22 + +1.303.661.aacc
15:23:33 zakim, aacc is me
15:23:33 +BobLund; got it
15:23:34 ... would it be in scope to work on the clearkey protocol and just add features to that?
15:23:56 ... with the intention of folding this work back in later when/if scope is approved
15:24:09 paulc: would you make that proposal in the email thread I mentioned?
15:24:21 ... it has ACTION-88 in the title
15:24:28 q+
15:24:30 ... I can take offlein with the team and work on it
15:24:32 ack mark
15:24:40 s/offlein/offline/
15:24:46 rrsagent, draft minutes
15:24:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/05-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:24:57 pac: I updated the end date for this action item
15:25:12 I seem to have been dropped.
15:25:17 -ddorwin
15:25:31 ACTION-88?
15:25:31 ACTION-88 -- Paul Cotton to Check on whether the proposed generic license request/response protocol is in scope of the current html wg charter -- due 2015-05-20 -- OPEN
15:25:31 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/88
15:25:35 +ddorwin
15:25:53 topic: ACTION-89
15:25:54 ACTION-89?
15:25:54 ACTION-89 -- Paul Cotton to Do a html wg cfc to move eme to process 2014 and to move it to be published automatically to tr space for each editor's draft commit -- due 2015-04-23 -- OPEN
15:25:54 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/89
15:26:04 paulc: this was done
15:26:10 See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015May/0009.html
15:26:27 ... CFC is ongoing
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15:26:33 topic: ACTION-90
15:26:34 ACTION-90?
15:26:34 ACTION-90 -- Paul Cotton to Update bug 20944 if the tf goes ahead with work on generic license request/response protocol -- due 2015-04-23 -- OPEN
15:26:34 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/90
15:26:48 paulc: this action is dependent on action 88
15:27:01 rrsagent, draft minutes
15:27:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/05-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:27:11 paulc: changing the date also
15:27:17 ACTION-90?
15:27:17 ACTION-90 -- Paul Cotton to Update bug 20944 if the tf goes ahead with work on generic license request/response protocol -- due 2015-05-20 -- OPEN
15:27:17 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/90
15:27:30 topic: ACTION-91
15:27:31 ACTION-91?
15:27:31 ACTION-91 -- Paul Cotton to (really rustamk) to ask cable labs about their current eme testing and whether they can expose it to the tf -- due 2015-04-23 -- OPEN
15:27:31 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/91
15:27:52 paulc: ask CableLabs about testing -- seems like in progress and have seen emails from Rus
15:28:05 ... will push the date out a bit on this for further research
15:28:18 BobLund: I will update the action item, think it is really on me
15:28:37 paulc: you can put right on the list for more notice
15:28:46 ... put the ACTION-90 in the subject
15:28:52 topic: ACTION-92
15:28:54 ACTION-92?
15:28:54 ACTION-92 -- Paul Cotton to Build a generic wiki agenda for future tf meetings -- due 2015-04-23 -- OPEN
15:28:54 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/92
15:29:02 paulc: this is still pending
15:29:20 paulc: that takes us to MSE bugs
15:29:24 topic: New MSE bugs
15:29:39 paulc: both filed by Matt -- don't have any discussion yet
15:29:45 ... do you want to discuss today
15:29:51 topic: Bug 28557
15:29:57 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28557
15:30:00 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28557
15:30:15 MattWolenz: related to putting in more details around the track buffers
15:30:29 ... updating the frame processing algorithm
15:30:43 ... determine whether it is possible to
15:30:52 May be related to https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27242
15:31:19 a/MattWolenz:/MattWolenetz:/
15:31:24 s/MattWolenz:/MattWolenetz:/
15:32:14 paulc: sounds like this is related to bug 27472 related to track buffer ranges
15:32:27 MattWolenetz: related but not blocking
15:32:43 ... probably just put firward a pull reuqest with my recommendation
15:32:49 topic: Bug 28573
15:32:52 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28573
15:32:58 MattWolenetz: this was not filed by me
15:33:17 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28573
15:33:31 MattWolenetz: don't think the networks state is what the writer thinks it is
15:33:59 paulc: so you will propose a response?
15:34:02 MattWolenetz: yes
15:34:11 topic: MSE test suite status
15:34:27 paulc: At the F2F Matt you said you would take a look
15:34:30 See F2F discussion: http://www.w3.org/2015/04/16-html-media-minutes.html#item01
15:34:50 MattWolenetz: I have been prodded, have it on my plate
15:35:20 ... Cyrils message does not tell me how to run --
15:35:35 paulc: think we talked about a mtg, saw an email from you, will leave in your hands
15:36:20 topic: NEW EME issues
15:36:34 paulc: 5 new issues
15:36:44 topic: ISSUE-50 - Remove recommendation for distinct keys for distinct policies
15:36:53 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/50
15:37:04 ddorwin: Pull requests use up numbers BTW
15:38:07 markw: I saw this recommendation, I don't recall ever agreeing to this recommendation
15:38:21 ... it is certainly one approach but some constraints make this impractical
15:38:32 ... some devices in the field do not support multiple keys
15:38:42 ... we need to be able to reuse existing streams
15:38:51 ... so I think we should remove this recommendation
15:38:55 q+
15:39:00 ack dd
15:39:07 ddorwin: updating the bug now
15:39:24 ... this is related to issue 22 -- it is a non-normative note
15:39:31 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/22
15:39:38 ... you are not forced to follow, but it will provide the best interop
15:39:48 ... I will post an update in the spec
15:39:51 q+
15:40:00 ack joe
15:41:01 q+
15:41:05 joesteele: I would recommend we do not include author recommendations in the spec
15:41:11