11:42:55 RRSAgent has joined #auto 11:42:55 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/05/05-auto-irc 11:43:00 rrsagent, bye 11:43:07 rrsagent, stop 22:45:52 RRSAgent has joined #auto 22:45:52 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/05/05-auto-irc 22:45:58 Zakim has joined #auto 22:46:48 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-automotive/2015May/0004.html 22:46:54 Chair: Paul 22:47:32 agenda+ Recap of Stuttgart F2F 22:47:32 agenda+ F2F Survey 22:47:33 agenda+ Repository Update 22:47:35 agenda+ Security Task Force Update 22:47:39 agenda+ Use Cases 22:47:42 agenda+ Action Item - Review Current Spec and Make comments/issues prior to next phone meeting on 5/19 22:47:54 rrsagent, make log public 22:48:58 action-2: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-automotive/2015Apr/0018.html 22:48:58 Notes added to action-2 send out formal call for Editors. 22:50:21 action-1: http://www.w3.org/2015/04/29-auto-minutes.html 22:50:21 Notes added to action-1 Work with ted and kaz on github repository layout. 22:50:57 action-1: https://github.com/w3c/automotive 22:50:57 Notes added to action-1 Work with ted and kaz on github repository layout. 22:52:59 QingAn has joined #auto 22:55:50 action-5: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-automotive/2015May/0000.html 22:55:50 Notes added to action-5 Send f2f proposal to both mailing lists. 22:58:14 djensen47 has joined #auto 23:04:11 pb has joined #auto 23:04:39 —Recap of Stuttgart F2F —F2F Survey —Repository Update —Security Task Force Update —Use Cases —Action Item - Review Current Spec and Make comments/issues prior to next phone meeting on 5/19 23:06:01 agenda? 23:06:15 —API Editor 23:06:46 agenda+ API Editor 23:06:48 Present+ Paul Boyes, Dave Jensen, Qing An, Peter Winzell, Ted Guild 23:06:54 scribenick: ted 23:07:03 Paul reviews agenda and asks for input 23:07:34 Qing An proposes API Editor discussion 23:08:08 zakim, next agendum 23:08:08 agendum 1. "Recap of Stuttgart F2F" taken up [from ted] 23:08:23 Paul: basically in Stuttgart we started the WG 23:08:40 ... explained the roles of the Business Group versus Working Group 23:08:49 ... KDDI presented their implementation 23:09:04 ... JLR gave a security presentation 23:09:23 ... next steps for specs, settled on call cadence 23:09:34 https://github.com/w3c/automotive 23:11:21 ... regarding spec development we deferred on rearranging github repository which has since been done 23:11:52 Present+ Adam Abramski 23:12:03 ... we have some prospect editors 23:14:14 ... at what point can we consider the contents of the new repo our First Public Working Draft? 23:14:27 Ted: as soon as editors are settled we can get that started 23:14:37 ... prospects were Justin Park (LG), Adam Crofts (JLR), Wonsuk Lee (ETRI) and now Qing An (Alibaba) 23:14:52 abramski has joined #auto 23:15:10 Paul: of the four we have two confirmations, Qing and Wonsuk 23:15:20 ... we should check back with the other two 23:15:36 ... we need a minimum of two 23:16:26 -> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/23-auto-minutes.html Auto WG F2F Minutes 2015-04-23 23:17:58 Peter: what about the testing part, can you elaborate? 23:18:34 action-4? 23:18:34 action-4 -- Kazuyuki Ashimura to Recommend to the group how to create test suite -- due 2015-04-30 -- OPEN 23:18:34 http://www.w3.org/auto/wg/track/actions/4 23:21:19 Peter: we intend to record car data and use that as part of a test suite 23:21:54 Ted: yes, test data and expected results from calls to functions based on that data is certainly a part of it 23:22:05 Paul: any other questions about the F2F? 23:22:46 action-5? 23:22:46 action-5 -- Adam Abramski to Send f2f proposal to both mailing lists -- due 2015-04-30 -- OPEN 23:22:46 http://www.w3.org/auto/wg/track/actions/5 23:23:17 -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/76043/Location/ survey to schedule an interim f2f before TPAC in Japan 23:23:32 zakim, take up agendum 4 23:23:32 agendum 4. "Security Task Force Update" taken up [from ted] 23:25:48 ted@@ 23:26:23 zakim, take up agendum 6 23:26:23 agendum 6. "Action Item - Review Current Spec and Make comments/issues prior to next phone meeting on 5/19" taken up [from ted] 23:26:28 zakim, take up agendum 7 23:26:28 agendum 7. "API Editor" taken up [from ted] 23:26:50 action-2? 23:26:50 action-2 -- Adam Abramski to send out formal call for Editors -- due 2015-04-30 -- OPEN 23:26:50 http://www.w3.org/auto/wg/track/actions/2 23:29:07 @@ted2 23:29:10 @@links 23:29:45 Paul: I just sent an email to Adam and Justin to see if we can get an answer 23:30:30 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-automotive/2015Apr/0018.html Call for Editors 23:31:23 s|@@links|-> http://darobin.github.io/api-design-cookbook/ Robin's API design cookbook that Adam linked to| 23:31:58 Paul: I will send a deadline of two weeks for comments to the mailing list 23:32:42 Adam: I'll get in touch with Paul Wheller to see if he can replay his presentation on a call to get people thinking more about the details of this 23:33:11 zakim, take up agendum 5 23:33:11 agendum 5. "Use Cases" taken up [from ted] 23:33:51 Paul: I would like to have a quick overview of what the use cases are, are there ways they should be leveled 23:34:01 ... Qing An, do you want to walk us through them? 23:34:07 @@@uri to use cases 23:35:03 Qing: we created a few use cases, discovery of apis available for a given automobile 23:35:58 -> https://www.w3.org/auto/wg/wiki/Use_Cases Alibaba's Use Cases 23:36:12 Paul: three great use cases so far, are there more you are considering? 23:36:38 Qing: the discovery one is not included in our current tool sets 23:36:45 ... we will add more over time 23:36:57 Does somebody have a link handy for the use cases? 23:37:21 Paul: the discovery one is very clear to me, the other two are about access from mobile devices 23:38:27 ... the way the specification is written, the web runtime gives you access to the vehicle. it does not clarify if it is a remote device or embedded in the car (head unit) 23:38:42 Qing: for the discovery we hope it can be added to the scope 23:39:14 Paul: ok, I wanted to be clear that so far we have not clarified in the spec if it is internal or remote access 23:39:38 ... these are great use cases, I encourage you and anyone in the group to add more 23:40:09 Dave: Would it make sense to abstract a mobile device even further? 23:40:59 ... Is remote access within scope? 23:41:07 Paul: earlier we declared it out of scope 23:41:20 Peter: We need to look at it from the security point of view 23:41:40 ... OEMs will clearly view what is running on the head unit as different 23:41:57 Paul: This will be an ongoing discussion. We left it as an implementation choice 23:42:16 ... we do not want to get into all the communication possibilites 23:43:08 ted@@3 23:43:59 Dave: Right, this isn't a new thing, there are already a multitude of ODB2 devices exporting data with different conventions 23:44:11 ... It is an area that would be nice to have standardized 23:44:58 Paul: I'll send a call for comments on the current version of the spec, these sorts of questions can be raised in response 23:46:11 [adjourned] 23:47:26 s/ted@@3/Ted: user data rights and who (including devices) they want to share information with can come into play from Privacy aspect of the pending task force 23:48:24 s/ted@@2/Ted: after editors are settled, Kaz and I can lead them and chairs through the publishing process at W3C/ 23:50:01 s/ted@@/Ted: I had some push back on this being a joint task force, that it should be associated with either the BG or the WG. I am continuing to make the joint case based on BG & WG interest. I hope to resolve that early next week, deferred due to W3C AC meetings this week/ 23:50:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 23:50:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/05-auto-minutes.html ted 23:53:37 Anybody familiar with any W3C specs that define a remote API? Payments maybe? 23:54:25 Web of Things? 00:12:04 hira has joined #auto 00:13:37 I connot access audio conf site! 00:15:42 adjourned? 06:36:15 kaz has joined #auto 06:38:46 sam has joined #auto 06:42:00 hira has joined #auto 07:19:57 kaz_ has joined #auto 07:35:34 wonsuk has joined #auto 08:23:47 wonsuk has joined #auto 08:52:45 wonsuk has joined #auto 10:05:30 wonsuk_ has joined #auto 11:37:39 sam has joined #auto 11:43:32 kaz has joined #auto 11:50:26 kaz_ has joined #auto 13:04:41 wonsuk has joined #auto 13:31:15 wonsuk has joined #auto 13:31:19 wonsuk has joined #auto 13:58:07 wonsuk has joined #auto 14:44:10 wonsuk has joined #auto 14:44:15 wonsuk has joined #auto 14:55:02 wonsuk_ has joined #auto 15:06:04 wonsuk has joined #auto