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16:27:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
16:27:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 33 minutes
16:27:42 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
16:27:42 <trackbot> Date: 30 April 2015
16:27:47 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public
16:28:01 <allanj> chair: Jim Allan
16:28:10 <allanj> regrets: Jan
16:37:42 <allanj> agenda+ DRAFT Charter http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/draft_uawg_charter.html
16:37:44 <allanj> agenda+ implementations - not testing, just the settings/tools
16:37:45 <allanj> agenda+ user requirements
16:37:56 <allanj> agenda?
16:38:15 <allanj> delete item 2
16:55:01 <allanj> remove item 1
16:55:31 <allanj> agenda+ DRAFT Charter http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2015/draft_uawg_charter.html
16:55:37 <allanj> scribe: allanj
16:58:59 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
16:59:06 <Zakim> +Jim_Allan
17:00:18 <Zakim> +Jeanne
17:03:15 <Zakim> +Greg_Lowney
17:03:30 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
17:04:01 <Greg> Greg has joined #ua
17:09:31 <allanj> agenda?
17:11:31 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
17:11:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-ua-minutes.html allanj
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17:13:09 <jeanne> Overview of the plan for UAWG coming from a lot of discussions
17:13:26 <Kim> Kim has joined #ua
17:14:12 <jeanne> ... publish UAAG and UAAG Reference as Notes
17:20:40 <jeanne> ... include the testing in the Reference doc
17:21:10 <jeanne> ... at the end of the charter, merge with ATAG WG and UAWG and probably WCAG into a combined group.
17:22:25 <jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2015/draft_uawg_charter.html
17:23:47 <allanj> open item 5
17:24:03 <allanj> topic: Draft Charter
17:25:46 <allanj> gl: should add "dialog with user, browser vendors,..."
17:25:50 <allanj> +1
17:25:58 <allanj> kp: +1
17:26:25 <allanj> Topic: Publish stabilization draft
17:26:42 <allanj> +1
17:26:45 <jeanne> +1 to publishing a working draft
17:26:46 <Greg> +1
17:27:06 <Kim> +1
17:27:48 <allanj> RESOLUTION: UAWG agrees to publish a Stabilization Draft of UAAG20
17:28:03 <allanj> topic: Draft Charter
17:29:53 <jeanne> Jim: We need to add browsers have to meet WCAG by default. Anything the author can do before it is customized should meet WCAG
17:30:36 <jeanne> ... new example I found:  Arrowing down through an options list in  one browser, the options color doesn't meet WCAG for color contrast.
17:31:04 <jeanne> ... and it is not stylable by the author or the user, so it can't be repaired.
17:32:51 <jeanne> ... another example: The language tag change is not being picked up by the assistive tech.  Published on the IG list.
17:34:52 <allanj> 1. Transform User Agent Accessibility Guidelines (UAAG) 2.0 to a W3C Note. UAAG guides developers in designing user agents that make the web more accessible to people with disabilities. The process of transforming UAAG to a Note will include: dialog with users and browser vendors, identifyng any approaches that need updating, and wrapping up additional comments.
17:35:03 <allanj> 2. Complete development of UAAG 2.0 Reference: Explanations, Examples, and Resources for User Agent Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 as a Note. UAAG 2.0 Reference includes explanations, applicability, examples, resources, and tests for the UAAG 2.0 success criteria. The completion process will include response to comments, updates from changes to the UAAG 2.0 success criteria, and integration of...
17:35:05 <allanj> ...the UAAG 2.0 tests from the UAWG wiki.
17:35:15 <allanj> 3. Contribute user requirements and relevant user agent accessibility support needs to be included and addressed as part of the WAI 2020 Framework. This work will be done in coordination with WCAG WG.
17:35:26 <allanj> kp: a very good idea
17:35:43 <allanj> 4. Develop UAAG 2.0 introductory and overview materials in cooperation with the EOWG.
17:36:08 <allanj> 5. Maintain UAAG 2.0 Reference with additional examples and resources for user agents on specific types of devices, technologies, and industries including mobile, media, webTV, and digital publishing.
17:36:55 <allanj> gl: timeline may overtake #5, and UAWG won't have time to do this
17:37:16 <allanj> 6. Transition more user agent need expertise to more coordinated work with APA on reviewing specs on user agent issues.
17:37:28 <allanj> js: APA is new name for PF
17:39:04 <allanj> js: members can move to APA to provide expertise
17:41:43 <allanj> js: deleted Testing Materials from Deliverables, as they will be incorporated in Reference document
17:41:57 <allanj> ===Timeline====
17:42:35 <allanj> js: pub in 2 weeks, get comments. Final doc in September
17:42:59 <allanj> js: reference doc finish in Dec
17:46:52 <allanj> js: Delete Testing Materials from Success Criteria
17:48:11 <allanj> ja: publish user requirements as a note? or just submit info to WAI2020
17:48:41 <allanj> ... if a note then add to Success criteria
17:49:56 <allanj> js: remove #5
17:50:16 <allanj> kp: we can update the note as needed
17:54:11 <Zakim> -Jeanne
17:54:31 <Zakim> +Jeanne
17:56:12 <jeanne> zakim, code?
17:56:12 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), jeanne
17:58:04 <allanj> topic: browser behaviors
17:58:06 <allanj> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015AprJun/0024.html
17:59:10 <allanj> gl: can't search, save, copy/paste, read (with screen reader) generated content
17:59:27 <allanj> gl: can't stop animations
18:00:07 <allanj> gl: not maintain point of regard when zooming, or screen size changes
18:01:15 <allanj> kp: nonstandard keyboard interface across browsers make it difficult to switch browsers for speech control users
18:02:35 <Greg> Easy way to replace images with alternative content.
18:02:43 <allanj> gl: can't turn off images and have 'alt' text displayed. can't search the 'alt' even when it is on the screen
18:02:52 <Greg> Option to prevent wrapping when performing sequential searches.
18:03:24 <Greg> Allowing users to install and toggle User Style Sheets.
18:07:02 <Greg> That includes multiple, cascading user style sheets.
18:07:55 <Zakim> +Judy
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18:08:49 <allanj> kp: user need to be able modify the default commands in the browser, be able to save and share. single key commands don't work for speech control.
18:08:55 <allanj> charter - http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2015/draft_uawg_charter.html
18:10:27 <allanj> js: should use cases be a note or just input
18:16:19 <Judy> zakim, who's on the phone?
18:16:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jim_Allan, Greg_Lowney, Kim_Patch, Jeanne, Judy
18:19:11 <allanj> judy: what about " what browsers can do help meet WCAG"
18:24:54 <allanj> judy: name is WG Note, not W3C note
18:30:19 <allanj> judy: UAAG support for WCAG would be good
18:31:30 <allanj> ja: could incorporate in the guideline note, without creating another document
18:32:34 <allanj> judy: add active taskforces at time of Charter is  Mobile Accessibility TF (jointly with WCAG), add as a bullet
18:33:57 <Zakim> -Judy
18:37:12 <allanj> close item 3
18:37:16 <allanj> close item 4
18:37:28 <allanj> agenda?
18:37:33 <allanj> close item 5
18:37:41 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:38:17 <Zakim> -Kim_Patch
18:38:18 <Zakim> -Greg_Lowney
18:38:21 <allanj> zakim, please part
18:38:21 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Jim_Allan, Jeanne, Greg_Lowney, Kim_Patch, Judy
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18:39:17 <RRSAgent> I see no action items