18:59:24 RRSAgent has joined #webperf 18:59:24 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/04/22-webperf-irc 18:59:26 RRSAgent, make logs world 18:59:26 Zakim has joined #webperf 18:59:28 Zakim, this will be web-per 18:59:28 ok, trackbot; I see RWC_web-per()3:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute 18:59:29 Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference 18:59:29 Date: 22 April 2015 19:00:08 plh has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/board/ 19:01:31 RWC_web-per()3:00PM has now started 19:01:40 + +33.1.56.69.aaaa 19:01:51 Zakim, aaaa is yoav 19:01:51 +yoav; got it 19:02:09 +Plh 19:02:13 + +657888aabb 19:02:30 +[IPcaller] 19:02:46 marcosc__ has joined #webperf 19:02:56 zakim, aabb is ilya 19:02:56 +ilya; got it 19:03:01 zakim, ipcaller is marcos 19:03:01 +marcos; got it 19:03:38 agenda+ Web Performance Group charter 19:03:47 agenda+ new draft for Performance Observer 19:03:56 agenda+ clarifying behavior around failed fetches in Resource Timing 19:03:57 +[Microsoft] 19:04:08 http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-navigation-timing-2-20150422/ 19:04:25 agenda+ Refactoring Preload and Resource Hints to remove "loadpolicy" 19:04:25 agenda+ "grouping" of performance entries 19:04:31 zakim, move to next agendum 19:04:31 agendum 1. "Web Performance Group charter" taken up [from plh] 19:05:26 Todd: talked to Adrian before this call. as long as the charter covers the scope, without broadening it too much. 19:05:55 ... as long as we have general deliverables, we should be fine 19:06:10 ... CPU and memory is an example 19:06:32 ... "solve the pb of understanding CPU and memory on the web page" 19:07:42 https://github.com/w3c/charter-webperf/pull/4 19:07:52 https://rawgit.com/toddreifsteck/charter-webperf/2015draft/index.html 19:09:19 Todd: TODO: add remaining information, sort by priority. 19:10:15 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oCfLli-Llm1GjiGcoXprY1eLwK-C6OPRH2XP8zHrtlg/edit# 19:10:37 ToddReifsteck has joined #webperf 19:10:49 Ilya: on deliverables: Performance Observer is part of Timeline. no need to call it out 19:11:53 "The working group will deliver updated versions of the following:" 19:12:11 [[ 19:12:12 Timing control for script-based animations 19:12:12 An interoperable and efficient means for web page authors to write script-based animations where the user agent is in control of limiting the update rate of the animation. 19:12:13 ]] 19:13:27 https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/browsers.html#the-window-object 19:13:47 http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/browsers.html#the-window-object 19:15:39 + +1.310.310.aacc 19:15:52 mpb has joined #webperf 19:16:08 zakim, aacc is Michael 19:16:08 +Michael; got it 19:16:23 Ilya: should we remove requestAnimationFrame from our list? 19:18:36 ... let's have it as an open issue for now 19:19:55 ... should we move that spec in a separate section, moving into the html spec, but we need to make sure it's done correctly 19:20:35 Todd: it may not make sense to give up stewardship 19:20:43 ... so I'd keep in the charter 19:22:54 Ilya: ok, let's keep it in the charter and resolve the differences between the specs 19:23:14 Marcos: do we know why it's in the html spec? 19:26:36 Plh: I propose that we keep it separate for now. it doesn't look like the definition in html spec is complete. we'll need to talk to them 19:27:02 Ilya: Server Timing is missing 19:27:50 ... add CPU and memory 19:28:08 ... https://github.com/w3c/charter-webperf/pull/1 19:28:21 Yoav: not sure if it belongs to us or houdini 19:30:20 Ilya: visibility seems more like houdini but they're not aware of the problems 19:30:37 Yoav: should we do use cases then? 19:30:56 Todd: seems appropriate 19:31:39 Ilya: can we make it a goal for the group to draft use cases? 19:31:44 Plh: sounds good 19:31:50 Todd: ok 19:32:14 Ilya: emphasizing working with other groups 19:33:58 Plh: we should make sure we get reviews from webapps, tag, and webappsec 19:34:09 ... in the deliverables section 19:38:17 FYI, here is an example of how CSS lists Deliverables: http://www.w3.org/2010/09/CSSWG/charter 19:38:36 Marcos: charters looks ok to me otherwise 19:39:29 http://www.w3.org/wiki/Web_Performance/Publications 19:41:41 Todd: I'll put a pointer to the dashboard then 19:44:58 Ilya: setImmediate? 19:45:09 Todd: I'll have adta in 3 weeks 19:45:18 s/adta/data/ 19:46:29 http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2015/copyright-software-and-document.html 19:47:26 Todd: it's more likely we get our charter more quickly 19:47:50 ... without the new license 19:50:34 agenda? 19:50:38 zakim, move to next agendum 19:50:38 agendum 2. "new draft for Performance Observer" taken up [from plh] 19:51:03 Ilya: please have a look at the PR 19:51:28 https://github.com/w3c/performance-timeline/pull/10 19:51:50 Todd: we added various fields to navigation timing but didn't implement them 19:51:54 ... should we keep them? 19:52:22 Ilya: for chrome, we are looking for a bunch of them, like workerStart 19:52:29 ... it's a question of when 19:52:48 ... some of the feedbacks is that it's not easy to find what's new 19:53:07 Todd: linkNegotiation, sizes, type, workerStart 19:54:29 Plh: they're listed in the status but I guess folks don't look at it 19:55:35 Ilya: we'll have to do some refactoring 19:55:39 Bugzilla bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1043083 19:55:48 ... and be more precise on what has been implemented and where 19:56:30 Marcos: would be good to link to browser bugs 19:56:33 https://w3c.github.io/manifest/ 19:57:21 [[ 19:57:22 Implementation status: 19:57:22 Gecko 19:57:22 Blink 19:57:23 ]] 19:58:37 Tood: seems a good solution for us 20:00:02 Sorry folks, but I gotta go. Another meeting coming up... 20:00:26 -yoav 20:01:25 Plh: I wanted to adopt CSS conventions for our draft, eg performance-timeline, performance-timeline-2, performance-timeline-2, 20:03:59 -Michael 20:04:54 -Plh 20:04:56 -marcos 20:04:56 -[Microsoft] 20:04:57 -ilya 20:04:57 RWC_web-per()3:00PM has ended 20:04:59 Attendees were +33.1.56.69.aaaa, yoav, Plh, +657888aabb, ilya, marcos, [Microsoft], +1.310.310.aacc, Michael 22:13:39 newtron has joined #webperf 22:20:32 newtron_ has joined #webperf 22:31:51 newtron has joined #webperf 22:32:38 newtron_ has joined #webperf 23:05:08 newtron has joined #webperf