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14:55:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:55:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 76244
14:55:27 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:55:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Interest Group Teleconference
14:55:28 <trackbot> Date: 15 April 2015
14:57:01 <AnnB_> hmm .. worried by that Zakim note
14:57:19 <AnnB_> I dialed in, seems normal
14:57:46 <rhiaro> I'll dial in in a sec, just persuading my officemates they don't need to talk for the next hour :)
14:57:53 <AnnB_> hehe
14:58:00 <AnnB_> either that, or they have to join the meeting
14:59:14 <Lynn> Ann, sorry, what is the zakim command to id oneself when calling in?
15:00:01 <lehawes> lehawes has joined #socialIG
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15:00:58 <AnnB> Hi Lynn ... 76244#
15:01:09 <rhiaro> Sorry, doing the usual SIP dance
15:01:32 <AnnB> aha
15:02:14 <rhiaro> is Zakim not identifying people?
15:02:21 <AnnB> right
15:02:26 <rhiaro> Zakim, who is on the call?
15:02:26 <Zakim> sorry, rhiaro, I don't know what conference this is
15:02:27 <AnnB> dialing back in .. .echo
15:02:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see Arnaud, lehawes, Zakim, RRSAgent, Lynn, AnnB, guangyuan, peacekeeper, pfefferle, trackbot, oshepherd, bret, rhiaro, Loqi, aaronpk
15:02:32 <AnnB> hmmm
15:02:46 <Arnaud> zakim, this is socig
15:02:46 <Zakim> sorry, Arnaud, I do not see a conference named 'socig' in progress or scheduled at this time
15:03:01 <EdK> EdK has joined #socialIG
15:03:05 <AnnB> oh no .. "all circuits are busy"
15:03:16 <rhiaro> I can hear lots of swooshing
15:03:31 <Arnaud> same here
15:03:35 <Arnaud> very noisy call
15:03:49 <Arnaud> people can mute with 61#
15:03:54 <Arnaud> at the bridge level
15:04:15 <Arnaud> 60# to unmute
15:04:26 <AnnB> guangyuan, are you muted?
15:05:47 <Arnaud> who just muted?
15:05:51 <Arnaud> the echo is gone
15:05:55 <Arnaud> thank you :)
15:07:41 <Arnaud> zakim, this is socig
15:07:41 <Zakim> sorry, Arnaud, I do not see a conference named 'socig' in progress or scheduled at this time
15:08:40 <Arnaud> rrsagent, make log public
15:08:47 <Arnaud> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:08:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/15-socialig-minutes.html Arnaud
15:09:40 <AnnB> having problems with Zakim .. we'll have to do it manually
15:09:42 <Arnaud> +q
15:09:47 <Arnaud> ack
15:10:00 <Arnaud> ack Arnaud
15:10:08 <AnnB> on the call we have Arnaud, AnnB, Guangyuan, Amy, EdK, Larry, Lynn
15:10:29 <rhiaro> can you hear me?
15:10:33 <AnnB> no
15:10:40 <AnnB> aaargh .. darn phones
15:10:44 <Arnaud> 60#?
15:10:48 <AnnB> to unmute
15:10:52 <rhiaro> I tried that?
15:10:53 <rhiaro> huh
15:10:56 <AnnB> aaargh
15:11:01 <rhiaro> oh well
15:11:02 <rhiaro> I can type
15:11:05 <rhiaro> yes, this time works!
15:11:08 <rhiaro> Thanks :)
15:11:11 <rhiaro> yeah
15:11:14 <AnnB> you can hear us
15:11:15 <AnnB> ok
15:11:16 <rhiaro> apparently not
15:11:27 <rhiaro> I tried unmute
15:11:37 <rhiaro> never mind :)
15:12:06 <AnnB> zakim, this is 76244#
15:12:06 <Zakim> sorry, AnnB, I do not see a conference named '76244#' in progress or scheduled at this time
15:12:21 <rhiaro> I can scribe!
15:12:25 <rhiaro> since I can hear :)
15:12:35 <rhiaro> scribenick: rhiaro
15:12:47 <rhiaro> TOPIC: Approval of minutes
15:13:06 <AnnB> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/01-socialig-minutes.html
15:13:07 <rhiaro> AnnB: We need to approve from April 1st
15:13:11 <rhiaro> ... any objections?
15:13:19 <rhiaro> ... Approved.
15:13:39 <rhiaro> ... Last week we had confusion about time because were going to cancel/hold/move... in any case I dialed in and talked to John Breslin, a new member
15:13:51 <rhiaro> ... There are minutes from that, but I was just giving him background for the WG and IG to date
15:14:11 <rhiaro> ... John has been involved in the w3c for a long time, linked data, lecturer at what was previoulsy DERI
15:14:19 <rhiaro> ... Been renamed Insight Centre for Data Analytics
15:14:37 <rhiaro> ... Don't know if he is going to participate himself, but his grad student guanyuan is joining us
15:15:01 <rhiaro> guanyuan: Hello, I'm a first year phd student under supervision of John Breslin
15:15:04 <rhiaro> ... Interested in social web and semantic web
15:15:15 <rhiaro> AnnB: I believe you're interested in vocabularies?
15:15:18 <rhiaro> guanyuan: Yes
15:15:28 <lehawes> Ann: You're echoing again. Badly. :>(
15:15:31 <rhiaro> AnnB: Welcome to the group, we've been working to get guanyuan's visa so he can come to f2f in Paris
15:15:42 <rhiaro> guanyuan: I think I can meet you there
15:15:47 <rhiaro> AnnB: We look forward to meeting you
15:16:22 <rhiaro> ... Lloyd just joined
15:16:40 <rhiaro> ... {recaps guangyuan's intro for lloyd}
15:17:14 <rhiaro> Lloyd: I'd like to meet him. I saw an email with people's names, do people have preferred linsk for research?
15:17:18 <rhiaro> AnnB: Could add links in wiki
15:17:54 <rhiaro> ... Unfortunately after we'd picked a new time for this meeting, Dan R said this time didn't work for him
15:18:05 <rhiaro> ... There's no other time on the poll that would work
15:18:11 <rhiaro> ... He can't make the meeting in Paris
15:18:26 <rhiaro> ... elf isn't here today. He invited Jason Haag to join too, but he's not here
15:18:34 <rhiaro> ... The other items on the agenda were from elf
15:18:39 <rhiaro> ... So I'm not sure what to do about thme
15:18:50 <rhiaro> ... He has a proposal to change from using tracker to github
15:18:54 <rhiaro> ... And moving this irc channel to social
15:18:59 <AnnB> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-interest/2015Apr/0029.html
15:19:17 <rhiaro> ... The reason that we stayed with two irc channels is in order to have trackbot in each channel, to keep action items separate
15:19:40 <rhiaro> ... Since we can't seem to get trackbot to work, and more people are familiar with github, my interpretation is that is why he suggested this
15:20:14 <rhiaro> Arnaud: I understand the problem with the setup, but this is a failure from w3c to provide us with the right setup. This shouldn't cause us to change the way we work. But beyond that, if people want to use github that's fine
15:20:24 <rhiaro> ... Github will work for issue tracking, but not really for action tracking, will it?
15:20:29 <rhiaro> AnnB: I don't know, anyone else?
15:20:37 <rhiaro> I don't know off the top of my head about actions
15:21:23 <rhiaro> various people: not sure
15:21:56 <rhiaro> AnnB: I'm trying to figure out how to use github to contact people and talk about their issues
15:22:01 <rhiaro> ... I was really hoping elf would be here today
15:22:09 <rhiaro> ... I guess we'll have to postpone this decision until the next call
15:22:48 <AnnB> https://github.com/w3c-social/social-ucr/issues
15:22:49 <rhiaro> TOPIC: Progress on API user stories with objections
15:23:00 <rhiaro> AnnB: We're not making much progress, we need to do more
15:23:33 <rhiaro> ... Larry and I put stories out there, and with the comments that were any kind of concern or objection, but I'm going to need instruction on how to use github to resolve these issues
15:23:34 <lehawes> Me too, AnnB! I am not a github user either.
15:24:10 <rhiaro> I'm not sure, I need to check what's currently going on with the group
15:24:17 <rhiaro> I'm not up to speed
15:24:18 <lehawes> I've been trying to reach Kevin Marks by his Gmail account, but getting no response. Would love to know how to reach him via github.
15:24:31 <rhiaro> lehawes - get Kevin on IRC
15:24:37 <rhiaro> #indiewebcamp on freenode
15:24:56 <lehawes> rhiaro: Thanks, Amy!
15:25:03 <rhiaro> AnnB: Don't see that I'm getting notifications with @ on github
15:25:07 <rhiaro> @ does work on github
15:25:08 <Lynn> github: yes, can use @name to notify; and people can sign up to watch a repository
15:25:22 <rhiaro> it depends if people have email notifications set up though
15:25:23 <rhiaro> not everyone does
15:25:24 <lehawes> Is there a tutorial available directly on github?
15:25:43 <rhiaro> AnnB, maybe your email notifications arne't on
15:25:59 <rhiaro> AnnB: bottom line is, we need to make progress on these stories
15:26:09 <rhiaro> AnnB, I'll look at it after the call and email you if I figure anything out!
15:26:29 <rhiaro> AnnB: Arnaud, as chair do you have any objections to this group using the social irc channel?
15:26:37 <rhiaro> Arnaud: I'm thinking
15:26:48 <rhiaro> I notice there's a lot of noise in #social right now
15:26:53 <rhiaro> notifications form things
15:27:19 <rhiaro> Arnaud: no legal issues
15:27:30 <rhiaro> ... I don't know that the WG would mind
15:27:38 <rhiaro> ... For archival purposes, maybe it's not ideal
15:27:44 <rhiaro> ... Mixing two different flows
15:27:51 <rhiaro> ... The logger, etc
15:27:59 <rhiaro> ... it's harder to find things afterwards
15:28:04 <rhiaro> AnnB: yeah, I think it's harder
15:28:11 <rhiaro> Arnaud: there's some value in separating those threads
15:28:14 <rhiaro> I agree ^
15:28:19 <rhiaro> Arnaud: hesitant for this, but not objecting
15:28:27 <rhiaro> AnnB: I'm not sure I see the benefit
15:28:49 <rhiaro> Arnaud: as chair of the IG Ann, i recommend you escalate the issue with the w3c, to get them to sort it out
15:28:51 <EdK> q+
15:29:06 <rhiaro> ... if the group still wants to change to use github, but we shouldn't be forced into it
15:29:09 <lehawes> To me, sharing the IRC channel would create better awareness of what each group is doing. Downside is aforementioned clutter.
15:29:14 <rhiaro> AnnB: I don't think that's why elf is suggesting this
15:29:21 <rhiaro> Arnaud: as far as I know github doens't have an action tracker
15:29:29 <rhiaro> ... I'd rather we had our own channel with our own tracker
15:29:39 <rhiaro> ... if we choose to use github for issue tracking as well that's reasonable
15:29:44 <rhiaro> ... like we do in the wg
15:29:57 <rhiaro> AnnB: We pretty much had the channel working until we moved the time
15:30:07 <rhiaro> ... I'm not sure trackbot was ever working
15:30:11 <rhiaro> ... I will lean on the systeam to do that
15:30:17 <rhiaro> ... oh by the way, harry is ill
15:30:41 <rhiaro> ... I think we're going to have to leave both of the questions, about tracker and irc, until next week
15:30:55 <rhiaro> ... In the meantime, I'll get hold of w3c systeam to get set up properly
15:31:01 <rhiaro> ... Any other comments about those two suggestoins?
15:31:08 <rhiaro> EdK: I support keeping them separate
15:31:17 <rhiaro> ... Especially if we're still trying to find a time to that works for everyone
15:31:23 <rhiaro> ... There's a small chance we'd end up colliding meetings
15:31:40 <rhiaro> ... Will stay well organised
15:31:58 <rhiaro> AnnB: good point
15:32:01 <rhiaro> ... Any others?
15:32:01 <EdK> q-
15:32:26 <rhiaro> TOPIC: Use cases with minor objections
15:32:57 <rhiaro> AnnB: background, the social web wg is developing a social web api, and for that work, came up with 90 user stories
15:33:11 <rhiaro> ... just describing things like ' a user posts a note and somebody comments on it' and so on
15:33:27 <rhiaro> ... Everybody voted on them, what was important, what they would implement etc
15:33:30 <AnnB> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories
15:33:36 <rhiaro> ... Stories and votes at link
15:33:46 <rhiaro> ... And then somebody organised the stories with the way they were voted on
15:33:57 <rhiaro> ... A small number that were entirely positive
15:34:03 <rhiaro> ... then some that are mostly positive, and so on
15:34:09 <AnnB> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Sorting_user_stories
15:34:16 <rhiaro> ... A lot of the objections are really minor
15:34:20 <rhiaro> ... Just about the wording
15:34:29 <rhiaro> ... Such as, there's one about posting a comment and embedding some media
15:34:41 <rhiaro> ... the way it's written said she posts a comment then posts a video under her comment
15:34:51 <rhiaro> ... many objections were 'we should not specify location of video'
15:35:04 <rhiaro> ... that's easy, it's just someone wrote it that way.
15:35:12 <rhiaro> ... Those are the things that the wg is looking to use to figure out
15:35:20 <rhiaro> ... We just need to go through objections and contact people
15:35:31 <rhiaro> ... 'is this really a big deal', ask if it's okay to rewrite things slightly
15:35:46 <rhiaro> ... wg are working hard to try to figure out other things, so this is important work that we can contribute
15:35:49 <rhiaro> ... also it's in our charter
15:35:57 <rhiaro> ... so we need to start working on it
15:36:04 <Lynn> thanks this was a helpful explanation !
15:36:15 <rhiaro> ... The proposal to do this in github is to take each of these issues, post them in github, and get people to talk about them there
15:36:23 <rhiaro> ... We need more instruction on how to manage that, but that's the goal
15:36:25 <rhiaro> ... Any questions?
15:36:29 <rhiaro> ... or comments?
15:36:39 <rhiaro> ... Any problems with doing that?
15:36:48 <rhiaro> ... I'm going to take silence as ACTION
15:36:57 <rhiaro> ... Anyone who doesn't speak is going to have to do some work! :D
15:37:14 <rhiaro> lehawes: the issue with the ability to collaborate has been the biggest holdup
15:37:22 <rhiaro> ... getting hold of people has been hard
15:37:27 <rhiaro> ... if we can clear that up, we'll progress
15:37:35 <rhiaro> AnnB: one of the things we discovered is that the indieweb people don't respond to email
15:37:45 <rhiaro> ... varies according to the person
15:37:51 <rhiaro> ... but for those of us who work with email it's a barrier
15:38:00 <rhiaro> ... as we've seen, most of us on this call are new people to github, so similarly a barrier
15:38:06 <rhiaro> ... we're trying to learn, but it's slwoed things down
15:38:13 <rhiaro> ... we need to figure out the best way to collaborate
15:38:20 <rhiaro> ... Any other comments about working on the user stories?
15:38:27 <rhiaro> TOPIC: Vocabulary TF
15:38:49 <rhiaro> AnnB: An issue from elf
15:38:51 <rhiaro> issue-4
15:38:51 <trackbot> issue-4 -- management of 'living' vocabularies similar to microformats.org and schema.org -- open
15:38:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Social/InterestGroup/track/issues/4
15:39:02 <AnnB> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Vocabulary_TF#Mapping_API_User_Stories_to_Vocabulary_terms
15:39:05 <rhiaro> ... Mapping user stories to vocabulary terms
15:39:08 <rhiaro> ... Lloyd?
15:39:10 <rhiaro> ... Anyone?
15:39:31 <rhiaro> Lloyd: I'm not up to speed
15:39:56 <rhiaro> ... My main observation about vocabularies-stories is seeing a disconnect between actual domain vocabularies vs basic vocabularies
15:40:14 <rhiaro> ... so as we're going through the 90 stories, at least for people who are interested in vocabularies, could use more definition in the feedback process
15:40:27 <rhiaro> ... social is general, that's fine for things like tagging a photo, but isn't going to enable collaboration for businesses to work on
15:40:48 <rhiaro> AnnB: can you give example of vocab for businesses that is lacking?
15:40:58 <rhiaro> Lloyd: I only preferred one story, the asparagus one
15:41:08 <rhiaro> ... it's a marketplace, where a farmer wanted to sell asapragus
15:41:12 <rhiaro> ... buyers, sellers, thing being sold
15:41:16 <rhiaro> ... required a domain vocabulary
15:41:26 <EdK> q+
15:41:28 <rhiaro> ... you need to do that with any domain
15:41:47 <rhiaro> ... we're intuitively taking small steps, doing things like facebook instead of collaboration platform
15:41:57 <rhiaro> ... I think the small steps can lead to something bigger
15:42:03 <rhiaro> q+
15:42:17 <rhiaro> ... I'm just trying to stay focused on the fact tat bringing in a domain vocabulary is a significant piece
15:42:27 <rhiaro> ... rather than just waving hands around it, we need to documen tit
15:42:46 <rhiaro> AnnB: I agree, important point. I am sympathetic to wg, trying to define first step
15:42:54 <rhiaro> ... trying to keep it manageable
15:43:04 <rhiaro> ... probably better to get v1 out, and then grow
15:43:13 <rhiaro> ... but I don't want to lose visibility or the concept of the larger potential
15:43:31 <rhiaro> Lloyd: also the IG is playing a role in technology development that we're trying to really address the need with use cases, where the wg is more technical
15:43:49 <rhiaro> ... it's our role to not just launch something that's cool, but is very usefl
15:43:58 <AnnB> q?
15:44:00 <rhiaro> ... in particular, the useful and in demand thing is a less expensive way to coordinate resources
15:44:27 <rhiaro> ... last year, I'd created types of use cases paper
15:44:38 <rhiaro> ... I've been trying to break down the 90 stories into types
15:44:47 <rhiaro> ... I think the marketplace doesn't have a lot of quantity, but has a lot of quality
15:45:05 <rhiaro> ... I'ts not the be-all-end-all if domain specific vocabularies have to wait
15:45:13 <rhiaro> ... but it's good if it can be addressed in the edits of the stories
15:45:22 <rhiaro> Lynn: my partner bob submitted that story
15:45:29 <rhiaro> ... we're trying to work on a vocabulary in that whole area
15:45:35 <rhiaro> ... It seems really out of scope for this group
15:45:41 <rhiaro> ... I've not been sure how to fit that in
15:45:59 <rhiaro> Lloyd: I think it's out of scope because of momentum around SWAT0, created by people who are technologists
15:46:07 <rhiaro> q+ to mention extensions to vocab
15:46:31 <rhiaro> ... I exchanged some emails about that, really fascinating
15:46:41 <rhiaro> s/that/asparagus user story
15:46:50 <rhiaro> ... We have to stand up and make the case about what's important
15:47:09 <rhiaro> AnnB: I can easily see asparagus story extrapolated to boeing vocabularies, such as want to sell a plane
15:47:31 <rhiaro> EdK: So I have been thinking about vocabulary in the further future
15:47:39 <rhiaro> ... I've been trying to work offline to think about federation
15:47:48 <rhiaro> ... How vocabularies work in a decentralised social world
15:47:57 <rhiaro> ... But since we haven't defined it yet, harder to get mind around
15:48:05 <rhiaro> ... Yesterday, sat in on a webinar about knowledge management
15:48:12 <rhiaro> ... Important is visualisation capabilities
15:48:39 <rhiaro> ... An example, a map of the world that facebook did by creating a map of people and through friend relationships and locations, simply plotted that
15:48:45 <rhiaro> ... and it drew a complete picture of the world
15:49:16 <rhiaro> ... and it dawned on me that from a single instance social environment, especially in a business sense, things that we would need to be able to focus on, core relationships, but with a business lens
15:49:33 <rhiaro> ... if I want to see how things are laid out in my network, what would those things be and how would I use a common vocabulary to do that
15:49:39 <rhiaro> ... can't use a folksonomy, can't use NLP
15:49:50 <rhiaro> ... that's where the importance of single-instance vocabulary would have to lie
15:50:04 <rhiaro> ... If you look at new visualisation software ,that could help trigger what you want to focus on
15:50:08 <rhiaro> ... customer buying, selling
15:50:14 <rhiaro> AnnB: lloyd has recruiting, skills, hiring
15:50:34 <rhiaro> EdK: I'm not an ontology expert so I wouldn't know how to organise that, but that mental model helped me think about what single instance would be beneficial in a business sense
15:50:41 <rhiaro> ... What are the key things that I would want to visualise?
15:50:51 <rhiaro> ... The idea of looking at the words used to construct the usecases
15:50:57 <rhiaro> ... look at the most likely key words
15:51:01 <rhiaro> ... maybe make them bold
15:51:07 <rhiaro> ... then maybe italicise synonyms
15:51:14 <rhiaro> ... put in emerging vocabulary words that would be equivalent
15:51:18 <rhiaro> ... tying it back to user stories
15:51:29 <rhiaro> AnnB: maybe you could copy a story to another wiki page and do a prototype
15:51:34 <rhiaro> Okay if I type?
15:51:39 <rhiaro> You can read for lloyd
15:51:43 <EdK> q-
15:52:00 <rhiaro> I just wanted to mention that the vocab being developed in the wg is for barebones core social interactions
15:52:07 <rhiaro> and there's an extension mechanism for more domain specific ones
15:52:17 <rhiaro> so specific domains can define what they need, and tie in
15:52:29 <rhiaro> so things like marketplace, recruiting, etc
15:52:52 <rhiaro> would not be done in the WG, but it would be possible for anyone to create their own, and still interop with the core
15:53:07 <rhiaro> How the extension mechanism works is still under discussion
15:53:16 <rhiaro> Does that help?
15:53:26 <lehawes> That seems like a prudent architecture, Amy.
15:53:26 <rhiaro> AnnB: questions?
15:53:46 <rhiaro> Lynn: when you say it would be possible for anyone to create thier own,what does that mean? can many people still use it?
15:53:54 <rhiaro> It could work either way
15:54:04 <rhiaro> There are already many public vocabs that anyone can use
15:54:11 <rhiaro> They are published in a certain way, with discoverable documentaiton
15:54:33 <rhiaro> AnnB: that's notes from earlier
15:55:21 <rhiaro> AnnB: by the way, John Breslin and guangyuan are working on vocabularies for social semantic interaction, and John wrote SIOC
15:55:27 <rhiaro> ... which is semantically interlinked online communities
15:55:36 <lehawes> Yes, there are many industry (domain) specific vocabularies in existence and use. Would be silly to try to recreate those when they could merely be plugged in to the social web architecture, as needed.
15:56:21 <rhiaro> lehawes: I tink we raised this when IG was started. Trying to get a handle on what vocab TF would be doing
15:56:38 <rhiaro> ... trying to recreate industry/domain vocabs would be wasted effort
15:56:45 <rhiaro> ... good to plug them in on as-needed basis
15:56:58 <rhiaro> ... Originally vocab TF would be identifying these, and making a list
15:57:09 <rhiaro> AnnB: elf has called this out earlier
15:57:21 <AnnB> Issue 4: https://www.w3.org/Social/InterestGroup/track/issues/4 : management of 'living' vocabularies similar to microformats.org and schema.org
15:57:23 <rhiaro> ... If you look at vocab TF wiki page, there are references to oter specific domains
15:57:36 <rhiaro> ... Also raised for discussion today this issue to do with management of living vocabularies
15:57:45 <rhiaro> ... I can't speak to this, but it's another vocab management question
15:57:55 <rhiaro> ... Does anyone have new business? Anything for next week's agenda?
15:58:11 <rhiaro> ... I think we need to work out how collaborate
15:58:16 <rhiaro> ... I will make a point to get hold of systeam
15:58:23 <rhiaro> ... Beyond that?
15:58:33 <rhiaro> ... Anyone??
15:59:01 <lehawes> Inter-group collaboration is the key issue to address, IMO. Other agenda items can't advance well until we solve that.
15:59:11 <rhiaro> Lynn: Question, I'm wondering if it makes any sense, from watching emails, should we put some issues from tracker on the agenda?
15:59:23 <rhiaro> AnnB: The working group spends a lot of time going through issues like this
15:59:29 <rhiaro> ... I'm not sure which are ours, I'll make an effort to figure that out
15:59:48 <rhiaro> Arnaud: That's a good proposal, but the best way to proceed on closing issues is when people do some prep work and come up with a proposed resolution
15:59:51 <rhiaro> ... Then we can debate that
16:00:23 <rhiaro> ... From that point of view, it would help the chair set up the agenda if people in the IG look at the issues, choose the ones they care about, initate a conversation to start making a proposal for resolution for an issue
16:00:37 <rhiaro> ... The chair can monitor the issue. People can make proposals, and put them on the agenda
16:00:43 <rhiaro> AnnB: Thanks
16:00:58 <rhiaro> ... Any other suggestions?
16:01:11 <lehawes> I need to join another meeting. Thanks AnnB and everyone else!
16:01:15 <rhiaro> ... In that case we'll end unless any last comments
16:01:17 <rhiaro> ... or good jokes? :D
16:01:35 <rhiaro> no problem
16:01:43 <rhiaro> ... Everyone go look at user stories!
16:01:51 <AnnB> trackbot, end meeting
16:01:51 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:01:51 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:01:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:01:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/15-socialig-minutes.html trackbot
16:02:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:02:00 <RRSAgent> I see no action items