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15:52:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
15:52:18 <trackbot_> Zakim, this will be
15:52:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:52:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Web of Things Interest Group Teleconference
15:52:19 <trackbot_> Meeting: Web of Things Interest Group Teleconference
15:52:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot_
15:52:19 <trackbot_> Date: 14 April 2015
15:52:19 <trackbot> Date: 14 April 2015
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15:53:46 <dsr> zakim, this will be 9682
15:53:46 <Zakim> ok, dsr; I see UW_WOTIG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
15:54:25 <dsr> trackbot_, bye
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15:55:02 <kaz> zakim, code?
15:55:04 <Zakim> the conference code is 9682 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), kaz
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15:56:21 <kaz> trackbot, bye
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15:57:57 <jhund> do we have somebody to scribe?
15:58:36 <dsr> Chair: Joerg
15:59:46 <dsr> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015Apr/0015.html
16:00:12 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
16:00:12 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
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16:00:44 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:00:44 <Zakim> UW_WOTIG()12:00PM has not yet started, kaz
16:00:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see smnmyr, taki, Edoardo_Pignotti, trackbot, jhund, kaz, Joerg, Zakim, RRSAgent, dsr, Jim_Lynn, Souleiman, saf
16:00:50 <kaz> zakim, this will be wot
16:00:50 <Zakim> ok, kaz, I see UW_WOTIG()12:00PM already started
16:00:51 <dsr> scribenick: taki
16:00:53 <Sebastian> Sebastian has joined #wot
16:00:54 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:00:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see +33.4.93.00.aaaa, +49.89.aabb, +44.186.533.aacc, Taki, ??P1, Kazuyuki, Dsr
16:00:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sebastian, smnmyr, taki, Edoardo_Pignotti, trackbot, jhund, kaz, Joerg, Zakim, RRSAgent, dsr, Jim_Lynn, Souleiman, saf
16:01:07 <taki> scribe: TK
16:01:15 <Zakim> + +1.510.316.aadd
16:01:48 <jhund> zakim, +49.89.aabb is jheuer
16:01:49 <Zakim> + +1.484.239.aaee
16:01:49 <Zakim> +jheuer; got it
16:01:50 <taki> Joerg: Face-to-Face, short status of use case contributions.
16:02:03 <taki> JH: I made agenda proposals
16:02:15 <taki> JH: I entered into wiki.
16:02:48 <kaz> s/Joerg:/Joerg(JH):/
16:03:12 <taki> JH: working modes, up coming discussions on technology landscapes need to be discussed.
16:03:23 <taki> JH: Principle sessions are planned first.
16:03:43 <taki> JH: Use cases discussion, term definitions...
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16:03:56 <Zakim> + +49.172.408.aaff
16:03:57 <taki> JH: Initial definitions need to be defined.
16:03:57 <jlynn> zakim, +1.484.239.aaee is jlynn
16:03:57 <Zakim> +jlynn; got it
16:04:07 <kaz> zakim, where is +49?
16:04:07 <Zakim> country code 49 is Germany
16:04:16 <taki> JH: Breakout discussions, discussions on working mode and scope.
16:04:28 <taki> JH: Those are basic skeletons of Face to Face.
16:04:47 <taki> JH: Please comment on this part.
16:05:00 <jhund> draft agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting:_20-22_April_2015_in_Munich
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16:05:25 <taki> TOPIC: We should go contributions, use cases. Status of use case contributions.
16:05:42 <taki> JH: Oxford network projects from Edward.
16:06:04 <taki> Edward: I can also do demo.
16:06:48 <taki> JH: Panasonic, home automation.
16:07:08 <taki> JH: ITUT use case document from Korea.
16:07:26 <taki> JH: Presentation from IETF. Architectural documents.
16:08:07 <taki> JH: Johannes on how to continue to work on documents. Organization, etc. Should be discussed in framework session.
16:08:20 <taki> JH: Architecural contribution from Sumiya.
16:08:35 <taki> s/sumiya/smnmyr/
16:09:03 <taki> smnmyr: I will send detailed document after the call.
16:09:14 <jhund> zakim, who is speaking?
16:09:21 <taki> JH: should it be part of use case related or more architecctural related?
16:09:25 <Zakim> jhund, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 10 (46%)
16:09:32 <taki> smnmyr: I will also discuss use cases.
16:09:51 <taki> JH: So it is bridging both discussions.
16:10:31 <taki> JH: Simple web services architectural from ...
16:11:05 <jhund> s/.../Jonathan_Jeon/
16:11:16 <taki> JH: IOT orchestration, active development tool, should be part of framework discussion.
16:11:30 <taki> JH: dominique about data-model discussion.
16:12:03 <kaz> q+
16:12:23 <jhund> q?
16:12:27 <taki> TK: Fujitsu also would like to discuss a use case.
16:13:03 <taki> kaz: I have been discussing with Japanese participants.
16:14:04 <taki> kaz: We would like to spend short time discussing home-automation related presentation.
16:14:34 <taki> JH: Can you send us the title of the discussion?
16:14:43 <taki> kaz: Yes, I will.
16:15:33 <taki> JH: Relation of use cases and start of the WOT framwork need to be understood.
16:16:07 <taki> JH: Organization of the framework. What is the best way to organize the work and discussion.
16:16:22 <taki> JH: Initial list of building blocks of the framework in wiki.
16:16:32 <taki> JH: Two steps.
16:17:22 <taki> JH: list of building blocks from existing ones. And what building blocks you want to contributing to.
16:18:32 <taki> JH: Is there any missing, or any other blocks? What do you want to contribute? Is it meaningful to discuss  as preparation?
16:18:38 <kaz> q+
16:18:56 <taki> smnmyr: Management of things. OMA-like.
16:19:17 <taki> smnmyr: Enabling management of things.
16:19:33 <dsr> ack kaz
16:19:48 <taki> kaz: I agree with smnmyr.
16:20:00 <smnmyr> (this wasn't me talking...)
16:20:43 <taki> kaz: In addition to talking about each use case, we might want to think about common area or technology of use cases. Basic common framework or common requirement, which may relate to management.
16:21:37 <taki> jhund: structural approach, with building blocks. With that, we will be clear about problem statements.
16:22:08 <taki> kaz: we can do it iteratively.
16:22:25 <jhund> q?
16:22:34 <taki> kaz: who mentioned management?
16:22:37 <taki> smnmyr: me.
16:22:47 <smnmyr> (no, not me)
16:22:53 <jhund> s/smnmyr/Somya/
16:23:04 <taki> JH: do we need to phrase provision and maintenance separately?
16:23:14 <taki> smnmyr: both would be part of management.
16:23:31 <taki> smnmyr: management is a main block, and those two are part of management.
16:23:42 <taki> smnmyr: I will give a presentation.
16:23:49 <taki> smnmyr: on first day.
16:24:25 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:24:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see +33.4.93.00.aaaa, jheuer, +44.186.533.aacc, Taki, ??P1, Kazuyuki, Dsr, +1.510.316.aadd, jlynn, +49.172.408.aaff
16:24:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see jlynn, Sebastian, smnmyr, taki, Edoardo_Pignotti, trackbot, jhund, kaz, Joerg, Zakim, RRSAgent, dsr, Souleiman, saf
16:24:29 <taki> JH: I foresee this is a main topic. We can discuss also as part of term-defition discussion.
16:25:07 <kaz> s/Somya/Soumya/
16:25:10 <taki> JH: We have a list of topics in wiki.
16:25:31 <kaz> s/smnmyr:/soumya:/
16:25:35 <kaz> s/smnmyr:/soumya:/
16:25:37 <kaz> s/smnmyr:/soumya:/
16:25:38 <kaz> s/smnmyr:/soumya:/
16:25:52 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
16:25:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:25:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:26:04 <taki> JH: Dave, how can we setup questionaire? on how things should be rephrased?
16:26:26 <taki> Dave: by email or?
16:26:44 <kaz> s/smnmyr:/soumya:/
16:26:44 <taki> JH: We could send out emai with questions.
16:26:49 <kaz> s/smnmyr:/soumya:/
16:26:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:26:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:26:57 <taki> s/JH/Dave/
16:27:06 <kaz> s/smnmyr:/soumya:/
16:27:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:27:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:27:44 <kaz> s/smnmyr:/soumya:/
16:27:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:27:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:27:48 <kaz> s/smnmyr:/soumya:/
16:27:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:27:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:27:51 <taki> JH: Discussion on working mode.
16:28:28 <taki> JH: It tooks time for use cases. Any comments on working mode?
16:28:34 <taki> s/tooks/took/
16:29:17 <taki> smnmyr: Task force on each aspect. How can I make proposals?
16:29:18 <kaz> s/TOPIC: We should go contributions, use cases. Status of use case contributions./JH: TOPIC: We should go contributions, use cases. Status of use case contributions./
16:29:27 <taki> smnmyr: now , or during face-to-face?
16:30:03 <taki> JH: If it is a building block, you can contribute to those in task forces.
16:30:05 <kaz> i/We should/topic: F2F Agenda/
16:30:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:30:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:30:21 <taki> JH: We will have limited number of task forces.
16:30:55 <taki> JH: You can comment explicitly (in the questionaire?)
16:31:39 <kaz> s/topic: F2F Agenda//
16:31:43 <taki> JH: Break-out session list. attached to email.
16:31:56 <kaz> i/Face-toFace,/topic: F2F agenda/
16:31:58 <taki> JH: If you see points relevant to break-out, let us know.
16:31:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:31:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:32:27 <kaz> i/Face-to-Face,/topic: F2F agenda/
16:32:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:32:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:32:40 <taki> JH: We plan two break outs, one tuesday and the other wednesday.
16:32:48 <taki> JH: Status of use cases.
16:32:59 <taki> JH: We already discussed some.
16:33:02 <kaz> s|i/Face-toFace,/topic: F2F agenda/||
16:33:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:33:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:33:29 <kaz> s/smnmyr:/soumya:/
16:33:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:33:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:33:51 <taki> JH: We discussed one from Dave, Siemens, Smart Home, Oxford network, etc.
16:33:58 <kaz> s/smnmyr:/soumya:/
16:34:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:34:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:34:05 <taki> JH: Souleiman, can you discuss use case?
16:34:33 <Souleiman> yes sure
16:34:33 <taki> JH: Home automation from Panasonic and Fujitsu.
16:34:48 <kaz> i/Status of use cases/topic: Use cases/
16:34:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:34:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:35:18 <kaz> s/(no, not me)//
16:35:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:35:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:35:35 <taki> JH: There are more than couple of home-automation use cases, which makes sense in some sense.
16:35:44 <Souleiman> I am not on phone though
16:35:52 <taki> JH: I would also encourage to use taxonomies.
16:36:18 <taki> JH: to better categorize use cases.
16:36:48 <taki> JH: Any comments on use cases list which is attached to email?
16:37:07 <taki> Edward: Oxford network, I can share some information tomorrow.
16:37:26 <Souleiman> the water management use case is derived from the EU Waternomics project we are currently involved in as Insight Centre
16:38:32 <Zakim> +??P3
16:38:42 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:38:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see +33.4.93.00.aaaa, jheuer, +44.186.533.aacc, Taki, ??P1, Kazuyuki, Dsr, +1.510.316.aadd, jlynn, +49.172.408.aaff, ??P3
16:38:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see jlynn, Sebastian, smnmyr, taki, Edoardo_Pignotti, trackbot, jhund, kaz, Joerg, Zakim, RRSAgent, dsr, Souleiman, saf
16:38:46 <taki> jhund: Document structure. We need to discuss tooling of git, format, to make inter-linked buidling blocks and technologies.
16:39:20 <taki> jhund: I have XML file in git-up (correct?).
16:39:43 <taki> jhund: If someone has some tools, please propose.
16:39:47 <jhund> taki, its on github
16:40:01 <taki> s/git-up/github/
16:40:24 <jhund> http://h0ru5.github.io/wot/wot-ucr.html
16:40:30 <Souleiman> zakim, ??P3 is Souleiman
16:40:30 <Zakim> +Souleiman; got it
16:40:39 <taki> jhund: current status of the document is at the link.
16:40:57 <taki> jhund: I will write an email as well.
16:41:00 <kaz> s/git-up (correct)/github/
16:41:02 <Souleiman> +q
16:41:20 <jhund> ack Souleiman
16:41:25 <taki> JH: We covered pretty much about f2f discussion and use cases.
16:41:34 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:41:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see +33.4.93.00.aaaa, jheuer, +44.186.533.aacc, Taki, ??P1, Kazuyuki, Dsr, +1.510.316.aadd, jlynn, +49.172.408.aaff, Souleiman
16:41:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see jlynn, Sebastian, smnmyr, taki, Edoardo_Pignotti, trackbot, jhund, kaz, Joerg, Zakim, RRSAgent, dsr, Souleiman, saf
16:42:58 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
16:43:10 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Souleiman (65%), jlynn (4%)
16:43:33 <taki> Sebastian: related to water-consumption, how to expand it with WOT. sensing configurations, cloud-based. Use can configure easily, water-consumption of the month, cloud-service can notify users.
16:43:45 <taki> Sebastian: Hopefully we can discuss in Munich.
16:44:25 <taki> Sebastian: We can also discuss semantic aspects of the technology.
16:44:45 <taki> Sebastian: I would like to have it discussed during F2F.
16:45:18 <taki> JH: Logistics.
16:45:41 <taki> JH: F2F during TPAC 2015.
16:46:02 <kaz> [ Oct. 26-30 in Sapporo ]
16:46:17 <taki> JH: EXI working group is one. Are there any other potential conflicts?
16:46:42 <kaz> q+
16:46:50 <taki> JH: We would propose to mention in answering questionaire.
16:47:01 <jhund> ack zak
16:47:07 <jhund> ack kaz
16:47:34 <taki> kaz: Some of the MMI WG members, they would like to attend WOT meetings.
16:47:48 <kaz> (Multimodal Interaction)
16:48:34 <kaz> i/Logistics/topic: TPAC 2015/
16:48:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:48:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:48:50 <taki> JH: Done for today. I look forward to seeing you. See you next week!
16:48:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:48:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:48:58 <Zakim> - +33.4.93.00.aaaa
16:48:59 <Zakim> -Dsr
16:48:59 <Zakim> -jheuer
16:49:01 <Zakim> - +44.186.533.aacc
16:49:01 <Zakim> -Taki
16:49:03 <Zakim> -??P1
16:49:04 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
16:49:05 <Zakim> -Souleiman
16:49:13 <Zakim> -jlynn
16:49:14 <Zakim> - +49.172.408.aaff
16:49:55 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:49:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.510.316.aadd
16:49:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sebastian, smnmyr, taki, Edoardo_Pignotti, trackbot, jhund, kaz, Joerg, Zakim, RRSAgent, dsr, saf
16:50:03 <kaz> zakim, drop aadd
16:50:03 <Zakim> +1.510.316.aadd is being disconnected
16:50:05 <Zakim> UW_WOTIG()12:00PM has ended
16:50:05 <Zakim> Attendees were +33.4.93.00.aaaa, +44.186.533.aacc, Taki, Kazuyuki, Dsr, +1.510.316.aadd, jheuer, +49.172.408.aaff, jlynn, Souleiman
16:50:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:50:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:50:16 <Sebastian> "Sebastian: related to water-consumption,  ..." Thats not from me
16:51:36 <kaz> s/Sebastian:/Souleiman:/
16:51:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:51:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:51:59 <Sebastian> ok
16:52:00 <Sebastian> cu
16:52:33 <Sebastian> +49.172.408.aaff
16:53:06 <kaz> s/+49.172.408.aaff/Sebastian/
16:53:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:53:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:53:50 <kaz> s/Sebastian:/Souleiman:/
16:53:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:53:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/14-wot-minutes.html kaz
16:54:38 <kaz> s/"Souleiman: related to water-consumption, ..." Thats not from me//
16:54:50 <kaz> s/+49.172.408.aaff/Sebastian/
16:55:14 <kaz> zakim, aaff is Sebastian
16:55:14 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'
16:55:41 <kaz> rrsagent, stop