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14:50:54 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
14:50:54 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
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14:56:32 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is digitaldale
14:56:32 <Zakim> +digitaldale; got it
14:56:45 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:56:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, digitaldale
14:56:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see digitaldale, glennd, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, jcverdie_, MarkS, tobie, richt, sangwhan, timeless, trackbot
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14:58:36 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:58:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, digitaldale, Bill_Rose
14:58:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see NiloMitra, Bill_Rose, digitaldale, glennd, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, jcverdie_, MarkS, tobie, richt, sangwhan, timeless, trackbot
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14:59:20 <kaz> zakim, aacc is glennd
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14:59:56 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:59:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, digitaldale, Bill_Rose, glennd
14:59:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see NiloMitra, Bill_Rose, digitaldale, glennd, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, jcverdie_, MarkS, tobie, richt, sangwhan, timeless, trackbot
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15:01:34 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:01:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, digitaldale, Bill_Rose, glennd, Paul_Higgs, Leslie_Daigle
15:01:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see ldaigle, NiloMitra, Bill_Rose, digitaldale, glennd, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, jcverdie_, MarkS, tobie, richt, sangwhan, timeless, trackbot
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15:01:40 <glennd> Agenda:
15:01:42 <glennd> 1. Review & approval of March 11th call minutes  (http://www.w3.org/2015/03/11-webtv-minutes.html)
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15:02:04 <glennd>  2. Agenda Bash
15:02:06 <NiloMitra> i keep getting a wrong number when i dial 617 761 6200
15:02:13 <glennd> 3. Review of new discovery use cases:       https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF/UseCases/User_Discovery
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15:02:58 <NiloMitra> is it possible for zakim to call me?
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15:03:40 <kaz> zakim, IPcaller is giuseppe
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15:04:04 <kaz> zakim, code?
15:04:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 932882 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), kaz
15:04:08 <glennd> hi Nilo. Kaz says it can't call out
15:04:08 <Paul_Higgs> Nilo.. it cannot call you
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15:05:07 <giuseppe> scribe: giuseppe
15:05:12 <giuseppe> scribe nick: giuseppe
15:05:19 <kaz> zakim, aadd is jianz
15:05:19 <Zakim> +jianz; got it
15:05:34 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:05:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, digitaldale, Bill_Rose, glennd, Paul_Higgs, Leslie_Daigle, jianz, giuseppe, So_Vang, Nilo
15:05:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see richt, giuseppe, jianz, Paul_Higgs, ldaigle, NiloMitra, Bill_Rose, digitaldale, glennd, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, jcverdie_, MarkS, tobie, sangwhan, timeless, trackbot
15:07:00 <kaz> Present:  Kazuyuki, digitaldale, Bill_Rose, glennd, Paul_Higgs, Leslie_Daigle, jianz, giuseppe, So_Vang, Nilo
15:07:08 <giuseppe> glenn: this is the only call in a month as we skipped last call
15:07:32 <giuseppe> glenn: does anyone object to approve last meeting minutes? no objection, so approved
15:08:04 <giuseppe> glenn: new use cases around  user discovery content
15:08:15 <kaz> i/this is the/topic: Review & approval of March 11th call minutes/
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15:09:25 <kaz> i/new use cases/topic: Review of new discovery use cases/
15:09:26 <giuseppe> glenn: let's go over the usecases, I would like people while looking at the use cases to think if there are gaps in existing standard work
15:09:39 <giuseppe> ... that prevents us from covering these use cases
15:10:05 <kaz> zakim, aaff is jhelman
15:10:05 <Zakim> +jhelman; got it
15:10:11 <kaz> Present+ jhelman
15:10:22 <giuseppe> .. let's bill present the new UCs
15:10:46 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF/UseCases/User_Discovery Use Case Wiki
15:10:59 <giuseppe> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF/UseCases/User_Discovery#User_Discovery-UC-1_User_Search_for_Content_Including_Client_Information
15:11:02 <giuseppe> UC 1
15:11:57 <giuseppe> the basic idea is to include some client information in order to improve the search results
15:12:33 <giuseppe> so a user would usually include search criteria like title, actors etc while the client could automatically append information on codecs, license etc
15:13:19 <giuseppe> this would avoid search results that cannot ultimably be played for whatever reason
15:13:38 <giuseppe> s/ultimably/ultimately/
15:15:03 <giuseppe> s/UC 1/ bill: UC1/
15:15:39 <giuseppe> bill: there could be a difference between the license that the user have and one that the client have. I'm not sure
15:16:02 <giuseppe> glenn: I'm not sure there is a standard to represent either of them
15:16:25 <giuseppe> glenn: I'm not aware of any device profile
15:16:45 <giuseppe> paull: maybe something in DLNA, loosely
15:17:04 <kaz> s/paull/paul/
15:17:13 <giuseppe> xxx: yes there should be something in DLNA
15:17:34 <giuseppe> xxx: but that is for the home network, not sure if that information leaves the HN
15:17:39 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
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15:17:50 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Paul_Higgs (1%)
15:18:06 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
15:18:07 <giuseppe> zakim, who is speaking?
15:18:16 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bill_Rose (9%)
15:18:23 <giuseppe> s/xxx/bill/
15:18:28 <Zakim> giuseppe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Paul_Higgs (4%), Bill_Rose (42%)
15:18:38 <kaz> s/xxx/bill/
15:18:50 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:18:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:18:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/08-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:19:06 <giuseppe> (bill and paul discuss DLNA profiles)
15:19:34 <giuseppe> so: there is also some discussion in ATSC about this, maybe there is an opportunity for some coordination
15:19:59 <giuseppe> zakim, who is speaking?
15:20:10 <Zakim> giuseppe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: glennd (33%)
15:20:34 <giuseppe> yyy: is there something in bluetooth?
15:20:44 <giuseppe> glenn: not sure, but also a good place to look
15:20:46 <Zakim> -Paul_Higgs
15:21:20 <giuseppe> glenn: so it seems we have identified a potential gap, i.e. there isn't a standard to define what a device support
15:21:40 <giuseppe> ... and also there isn't a standard way to respond to a request that would include a device profile
15:22:06 <Zakim> +Paul_Higgs
15:22:28 <giuseppe> ... also there is no standard to send this device profile to a server
15:23:10 <giuseppe> zakim, who is speaking?
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15:23:20 <Zakim> giuseppe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 11 (4%), Leslie_Daigle (71%)
15:23:40 <giuseppe> leslie: is it time also to discuss privacy?
15:24:07 <giuseppe> bill: yes, I added in the UC the possibility that the user could configure the device not to send all the device information
15:24:17 <giuseppe> .. to preserve privacy
15:26:40 <giuseppe> glenn: there are probably different levels of information and hence privacy
15:26:54 <giuseppe> ... serivces I'm subscribed to VS device capabilities for examples
15:27:27 <giuseppe> glenn: there could also be restrictions based on the networks I'm on, e.g. home network VS out of home
15:27:54 <giuseppe> bill: so at least two level of privacy, use client and network provider
15:28:03 <giuseppe> s/use/user/
15:28:38 <giuseppe> bill: there is also a difference on where different info get configured /selected, e.g. an app UI VS device UI
15:29:31 <giuseppe> glenn: from a device standpoint, I may allow an app to search on different networks and inside the device aggregate the results
15:31:05 <giuseppe> glenn: when we come back to discuss about network layer, would be good to discuss a UC around caching in case of multiple networks e.g. when a device have 3 networks but local cache only have access to two
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15:32:31 <giuseppe> bill: another option, more privacy savy, is to get all the metadata and make the decision on what can be played locally
15:33:27 <giuseppe> glenn: let's move to UC2
15:33:54 <giuseppe> bill: UC2 is about using a second screen (mobile) to search for content I want to watch on my first screen (TV)
15:34:35 <giuseppe> ... so is related to the previous one but here the device sending out information is not the same client playing the content
15:36:06 <giuseppe> ... to do this we probably need to get the TV profile in a similar way we needed before
15:37:25 <giuseppe> bill: actually looking at UC2 again is not what I just described
15:38:00 <giuseppe> ... is more about using the tablet/phone to control UI the TV
15:39:00 <giuseppe> ... so this is actually simple and similar to UC1
15:39:42 <giuseppe> zakim, who is speaking?
15:39:52 <Zakim> giuseppe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 11 (80%), Paul_Higgs (17%)
15:41:25 <giuseppe> giuseppe: is it worth to have UC2 as a separate UC? can we merge it with UC1
15:42:01 <giuseppe> glenn: maybe still worth, in UC2 could have some privacy concerns,
15:42:44 <giuseppe> glenn: maybe I'm an hotel room and I don't want to share my device preferences with the hotel TV set
15:44:28 <Zakim> +Mark
15:45:06 <kaz> s/an hotel/at a hotel/
15:45:13 <kaz> Present+ Mark
15:47:10 <giuseppe> glenn: is there a standard to control a TV?
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15:48:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:48:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/08-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:49:14 <giuseppe> giuseppe: I agree there could be a gap here but aren't we extending the scope too much?
15:49:32 <giuseppe> glenn: good point, but we can first collect the use cases and then make a final filtering at the end
15:49:38 <giuseppe> ... base don priorities
15:50:00 <giuseppe> glenn: move on on UC3
15:50:19 <kaz> s/base don/based on/
15:50:21 <giuseppe> bill: so UC3, I have multiple devices in my home
15:50:39 <giuseppe> ... and I want to find content that is suitable for multiple devices
15:50:46 <giuseppe> ... e.g. I have a movie I want to watch
15:51:17 <giuseppe> and I want to be able to make some sort of supersearch to know if that is playable on any of the device in the home
15:51:30 <giuseppe> ... one option is to do multiple searches
15:52:50 <giuseppe> ... but that would be more cumbersome and I woudl have to repeat it for each device
15:53:41 <giuseppe> ... so would be more convenient to do one research for all, and would be also good to do it once but capture all the differences, e.g. in network connections and capabilites
15:54:44 <kaz> s/woudl/would/
15:54:45 <giuseppe> glenn: so we need to be able to express playback capabilites, network capabilities, offline/online capabilites, in home/out of home capabilities
15:55:59 <giuseppe> glenn: an immediate gap I can see I'm not able to disambiguate between different search results, e.g. I have spiderman DVD VS spiderman on ABC
15:56:26 <giuseppe> ... so we don't have a standard to express different offers for the same content
15:56:51 <giuseppe> bill: also from a content perspective, e.g. ad based VS pay
15:57:18 <giuseppe> bill: now if I do local matching and filtering, I need to get all the info
15:58:00 <ldaigle> internet.net or whatever
15:58:01 <ldaigle> zero rating
15:59:03 <mark_vickers> who is here?
15:59:11 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:59:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, digitaldale, Bill_Rose, glennd, Leslie_Daigle, jianz, giuseppe, So_Vang, Nilo, jhelman, Paul_Higgs, Mark
15:59:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see mark_vickers, jcverdie, richt, giuseppe, jianz, Paul_Higgs, ldaigle, NiloMitra, Bill_Rose, digitaldale, glennd, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, MarkS, tobie, sangwhan, timeless,
15:59:13 <Zakim> ... trackbot
15:59:44 <giuseppe> zakim, who is speaking
15:59:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', giuseppe
15:59:51 <giuseppe> zakim, who is speaking?
16:00:01 <Zakim> giuseppe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Paul_Higgs (10%), digitaldale (65%)
16:00:26 <giuseppe> dale: we should also consider sponsorship
16:00:58 <mark_vickers> zakim, who is talking?
16:01:09 <Zakim> mark_vickers, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Paul_Higgs (43%), digitaldale (52%), Bill_Rose (6%), glennd (25%)
16:01:40 <giuseppe> ... ... e.g. if I'm part of a sponsor group I may get some content for free or at a better bandwith
16:03:22 <giuseppe> glenn: so one think we would luck is a way to express a sponsorhip model
16:03:36 <giuseppe> bill: would be a more complex version of the cost option
16:04:15 <giuseppe> glenn: no more comments on UC1-3
16:06:06 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
16:06:17 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bill_Rose (75%)
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16:09:02 <kaz> [ web&tv ig charter includes CEA and ATSC in the list of external groups to liaise ]
16:09:29 <giuseppe> glenn: AP to explore potential liaison with CES
16:09:37 <giuseppe> s/CES/CEA/
16:09:41 <kaz> [ while the liaison table has ATSC but not CEA ]
16:10:41 <kaz> q?
16:11:19 <giuseppe> glenn: I encourage all new members to read the GGIE main page for a better understanding of what we want to do and how we want to work, see here http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/GGIE_TF
16:12:05 <giuseppe> glenn: in a nutshell, we now are trying to collect gaps, later we envision to send request to various groups
16:13:06 <kaz> q+
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16:13:59 <kaz> q?
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16:14:50 <Zakim> -giuseppe
16:14:50 <Zakim> -Paul_Higgs
16:14:51 <Zakim> -Nilo
16:14:53 <Zakim> -Bill_Rose
16:14:54 <Zakim> -jianz
16:14:55 <Zakim> -glennd
16:14:56 <Zakim> -digitaldale
16:14:59 <Zakim> -Leslie_Daigle
16:15:00 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
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16:15:05 <giuseppe> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:15:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/08-webtv-minutes.html giuseppe
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16:15:34 <kaz> Meeting: Web&TV IG - GGIE TF
16:15:34 <Zakim> -Mark
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16:15:36 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, +1.817.576.aaaa, digitaldale, +1.860.313.aabb, Bill_Rose, +1.818.777.aacc, glennd, Paul_Higgs, Leslie_Daigle, +1.858.202.aadd, giuseppe, +1.202.429.aaee,
16:15:36 <Zakim> ... So_Vang, Nilo, jianz, +1.650.576.aaff, jhelman, Mark
16:15:36 <giuseppe> kaz, should I send the notes?
16:15:45 <kaz> Chair: Glenn
16:15:57 <giuseppe> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:15:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/08-webtv-minutes.html giuseppe
16:17:02 <giuseppe> thanks kaz!
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