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13:56:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be Process
13:56:48 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:56:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Revising W3C Process Community Group Teleconference
13:56:49 <trackbot> Date: 07 April 2015
13:58:00 <SteveZ> Zakim, who is here?
13:58:00 <Zakim> AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM has not yet started, SteveZ
13:58:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, SteveZ, jeff, chaals, cwilso, timeless, mdjp, trackbot
13:58:07 <Zakim> AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM has now started
13:58:13 <Zakim> +Jeff
13:59:07 <Zakim> +SteveZ
14:01:34 <chaals> zakim, code?
14:01:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 7762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chaals
14:03:30 <chaals> zakim, call chaals-es
14:03:30 <Zakim> ok, chaals; the call is being made
14:03:31 <Zakim> +Chaals
14:07:47 <jeff> q+
14:11:37 <jeff> Steve: Noone likes your proposal on the TAG.  Anything we can do to compromise?
14:11:42 <jeff> Chaals: No.
14:12:33 <jeff> Jeff: Steve, since we don't have a quorum and hence no way to declare consensus; what's your plan - take it to the AB?  Will we be able to get a revision in time for the AC?
14:13:17 <jeff> Chaals:  @@ since scribe was typing; but something of the form - you can proceed with the document without the text I object to.
14:13:29 <jeff> Steve: Could have the AB determine whether there is consensus.
14:13:56 <jeff> q+
14:14:13 <jeff> ... I could give several options how to proceed
14:14:19 <jeff> Chaals: Indeed, lots of options
14:14:33 <jeff> ... A, B, A and B, A or B, etc.
14:14:41 <jeff> Steve: And even better than that.
14:15:38 <jeff> Jeff: Different options are OK with me; but going to the AB is OK.
14:16:08 <jeff> Chaals: Why should the AB decide an issue which is for the AC?
14:16:25 <jeff> Steve: The AB is merely deciding what draft should go out for formal AC review.
14:16:51 <jeff> ... We can also ballot this particular change separately.
14:17:19 <jeff> Chaals: You could also ballot each substantive change one-by-one.
14:17:39 <jeff> q+ -1 to "line item vetoes"
14:17:53 <jeff> q+ to -1 to "line item vetos"
14:17:57 <jeff> q- -1
14:18:51 <jeff> ack je
14:18:51 <Zakim> jeff, you wanted to -1 to "line item vetos"
14:19:16 <jeff> Jeff: Might be OK for TAG election to have separate ballot; in general you will end up with a mess because issues are interrelated.
14:19:21 <jeff> Steve: +1 to Jeff
14:19:55 <jeff> Chaals: We should do it for controversial items.
14:19:59 <jeff> Steve: Agreed.
14:20:23 <jeff> Issue-152?
14:20:23 <trackbot> Issue-152 -- Process2014 Regresses Editorial Revision of RECs -- open
14:20:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/152
14:20:38 <jeff> Steve: Consensus to revert the change
14:20:54 <jeff> s/C/ (1) C/
14:20:55 <chaals> s/We should do it for controversial items/If the committee produces something for vote that it knows will not achieve consensus then it needs to work out what to do about that/
14:21:06 <jeff> (2) Clarify what editorial means
14:21:18 <jeff> s/(/...(/
14:22:02 <jeff> ... Everyone (except maybe Chaals) seems to agree that if it is truly editorial we don't need the extra review
14:22:15 <jeff> ... Need final edit plan by next week
14:22:18 <jeff> q+
14:22:59 <jeff> ack je
14:23:13 <jeff> Jeff: We need the plan this week and the document next week
14:23:20 <jeff> Steve: Not sure we are there yet.
14:23:42 <jeff> ... I provided suggested text
14:24:04 <jeff> Chaals: I suggest a CfC from mailing list
14:24:22 <jeff> ... and I won't be at next meeting
14:24:53 <jeff> Steve: Agreed.
14:25:42 <jeff> Topic: Addison Philipps comments on Horizontal Review
14:26:02 <jeff> Steve: I argued that we have already addressed his issue via "Charter"
14:26:08 <jeff> ... AP was not impressed
14:26:54 <chaals> q+
14:27:28 <chaals> ack me]
14:27:32 <chaals> ack me
14:28:06 <jeff> Chaals: There are several places we can insert this in the document (e.g. in Chartering)
14:28:10 <jeff> Steve: Yes.
14:29:35 <jeff> Chaals: This is consistent with the thoughtfulness we expect in general from "wide review".
14:29:46 <jeff> Steve: Yes.
14:30:23 <jeff> ... we also may put some language into "wide review".
14:30:52 <jeff> Chaals: And in other plaes
14:30:58 <jeff> s/plaes/places/
14:31:03 <jeff> Steve: OK.
14:31:28 <jeff> ... Some editorial non-controversial stuff
14:31:32 <jeff> rrsagent, make minutes
14:31:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-w3process-minutes.html jeff
14:32:11 <jeff> Steve: I will also create a "disposition of comments" document
14:35:16 <jeff> q+
14:37:04 <jeff> ack je
14:37:17 <jeff> Chaals: Why don't more people come to the calls.
14:37:25 <jeff> Steve: The calls are still valuable.
14:37:43 <jeff> Jeff: We need Process changes to involve more "real" change; not corner cases
14:37:54 <jeff> s/calls./calls?/
14:38:04 <jeff> [adjourned]
14:38:20 <jeff> rrsagent, make minutes
14:38:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-w3process-minutes.html jeff
14:38:30 <Zakim> -Jeff
14:38:40 <chaals> zakim, drop me
14:38:40 <Zakim> Chaals is being disconnected
14:38:42 <Zakim> -Chaals
14:39:03 <Zakim> -SteveZ
14:39:04 <Zakim> AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM has ended
14:39:04 <Zakim> Attendees were Jeff, SteveZ, Chaals
14:40:10 <SteveZ> Rrsagent, make minutes
14:40:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-w3process-minutes.html SteveZ
14:40:51 <Zakim> AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM has now started
14:40:58 <Zakim> +Mike_Champion
14:41:00 <Zakim> -Mike_Champion
14:41:02 <Zakim> AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM has ended
14:41:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Mike_Champion
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