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14:55:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:55:36 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:55:36 <trackbot> Date: 07 April 2015
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14:57:00 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:01:01 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:01:01 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:01:26 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Apr/0005.html
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15:03:12 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, markw, pal, ddorwin
15:03:28 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Apr/0005.html
15:03:40 <Zakim> +jdsmith
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15:05:30 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, markw, pal, ddorwin, jdsmith, davide
15:05:44 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Apr/0005.html
15:05:51 <paulc> Scribenick: paulc
15:05:55 <paulc> Chair: Paul Cotton
15:06:24 <paulc> Topic: Media TF F2F meeting, Wed-Thu Apr 15-16
15:06:51 <paulc> 14 people including A11Y experts have registered: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/html-april-2015/results
15:07:07 <paulc> Paul is re-arranging a teleconference facility which is being arranged.
15:07:26 <Zakim> + +1.303.661.aaaa
15:07:38 <BobLund> zakim, aaa is me
15:07:38 <Zakim> sorry, BobLund, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
15:07:40 <paulc> ACTION-80?
15:07:40 <trackbot> ACTION-80 -- Paul Cotton to Organize potential f2f topics part of wiki and sent out notice asking for input from tf -- due 2015-03-31 -- OPEN
15:07:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/80
15:07:47 <BobLund> zakim, aaaa is me
15:07:47 <Zakim> +BobLund; got it
15:07:51 <paulc> Zakim, close action-80
15:07:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close action-80', paulc
15:07:59 <paulc> close action-80
15:07:59 <trackbot> Closed action-80.
15:08:24 <paulc> Potential discussion topics: https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2015-04-Agenda#Potential_Topics
15:09:04 <paulc> >The F2F meeting will be held on the Microsoft campus in Redmond, WA in the XXX room of Building 43.
15:09:14 <paulc> XXX will be updated today.
15:09:45 <paulc> Basically attendees will go to Building 43 reception, get a vistors pass and then be accompanied to the meeting room
15:10:17 <paulc> The meeting will start at 9:30am on Wed.  So Jerry and Paul will be there at 9am to greet people.
15:10:44 <paulc> See https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2015-04-Agenda#EME_open_bugs_and_issues
15:11:17 <markw> q+
15:11:40 <Zakim> +joesteele
15:11:44 <paulc> ack markw
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15:13:19 <paulc> markw: How do we prepare for the meeting?
15:13:44 <paulc> markw:  I will prepare a summary of the first three items.
15:13:57 <joesteele> chair: paulc
15:14:05 <joesteele> scribenick: joesteele
15:14:20 <joesteele> paulc: Mark please put in a status summary at the end of each of those items
15:14:31 <joesteele> ... name in square brackets at the front will help
15:14:42 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:14:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:14:52 <joesteele> Zakim, who is here?
15:14:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, markw, pal, ddorwin, jdsmith, davide, BobLund, joesteele
15:14:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see joesteele, davide, jdsmith, pal, BobLund, markw, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, ddorwin, adrianba, trackbot
15:15:01 <paulc> paulc:  Just add your [name] at the front of any items you are interested in and/or are voluteering to lead the discussion on.
15:15:29 <joesteele> scribe: joesteele
15:15:41 <joesteele> paulc: given the large number of bugs for EME, do the editors have a preference on how to process?
15:15:49 <joesteele> ... I added a list in order
15:16:02 <joesteele> ... would like to know which folks would like to discuss
15:16:25 <joesteele> ... can do in the un-conference on the first day, but if we don't process ahead of time we will go through every one
15:16:46 <joesteele> ddorwin: I would want to focus on the ones people have interest in, not just process all of them
15:16:54 <joesteele> ... folks should list the ones they want to discuss
15:17:10 <joesteele> ... might need to re-org the page a bit to include a section for bugs folks want to discuss
15:17:18 <joesteele> paulc: think they can add right under the topic
15:18:04 <joesteele> ... folks travelling to the F2F have an interest in getting things done, and should indicate which ones they are interested in
15:18:29 <joesteele> paulc: Joe, not sure whether you have vetted the items with your names on them for awhile
15:18:44 <joesteele> joesteele: I will have to review for closed/decided ones
15:18:57 <joesteele> paulc: wiki could use better formatting
15:19:55 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:19:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:20:04 <joesteele> paulc: any other questiosn about F2F?
15:20:27 <joesteele> ... adjounrment time on Thursday, no earlier than 3PM
15:20:40 <joesteele> ... can stay beyond if we have critical mass
15:20:59 <joesteele> topic: Issue 45: Remove "persistent-release-message" MediaKeySessionType
15:21:08 <joesteele> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/45
15:21:20 <joesteele> paulc: push back on this issue
15:21:32 <joesteele> ... david, you want to comment?
15:21:51 <joesteele> ddorwin: some discussion online, have not had a chance to fully read and reply yet
15:21:56 <joesteele> ... let's continue at the F2F
15:22:20 <joesteele> paulc: ok I will add to the list of issues for the F2F
15:22:54 <joesteele> markw: this is related to the issues already on the wiki
15:23:07 <paulc> >Review the disposition of the session/key persistence issues 16,18,20,26
15:23:12 <joesteele> ddorwin: we should figure out what it really means, do the others really belong
15:23:41 <joesteele> paulc: at least one of these got closed
15:23:57 <joesteele> markw: some are uncontroversial, we should review?
15:24:01 <joesteele> paulc: that sounds right
15:24:41 <joesteele> joesteele: we just need to vett the list now
15:24:54 <joesteele> paulc: mark, sounds like it would be a good idea to split this up and review
15:25:03 <joesteele> ... might not need to spend any time at all
15:25:08 <joesteele> ... on ones that are resolved
15:25:42 <joesteele> topic: Issue #39 - MediaKeyStatusMap: Replace maplike with explicit methods
15:25:50 <joesteele> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/39
15:25:53 <joesteele> ACTION-78?
15:25:53 <trackbot> ACTION-78 -- Mark Watson to Look into @@iterators for issue 39 -- due 2015-04-06 -- CLOSED
15:25:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/78
15:26:13 <joesteele> paulc: response from Mark saying we had taked care of this, but has been some pushback
15:26:25 <joesteele> ... thats why I included it
15:26:34 <paulc> See push back on arbitrary order: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/39#issuecomment-85559459
15:26:39 <joesteele> ... want to make sure we are all ono the same page
15:26:45 <joesteele> markw: I don't have anything to add here
15:27:06 <joesteele> paulc: so you think we have agreement, maybe ignore the concern expressed?
15:27:16 <joesteele> ... might just put a warning in the docs?
15:27:27 <joesteele> markw: I would be happy with that, but other folks should consider
15:27:39 <joesteele> paulc: is issue-39 marked for implementation?
15:27:55 <joesteele> ddorwin: yes
15:28:08 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:28:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:28:12 <joesteele> Zakim, who is here?
15:28:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, markw, pal, ddorwin, jdsmith, davide, BobLund, joesteele
15:28:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see joesteele, davide, jdsmith, pal, BobLund, markw, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, ddorwin, adrianba, trackbot
15:28:37 <joesteele> paulc: think we can leave the status the way it is
15:28:58 <joesteele> topic: Bug 26776 - Diagnosing and resolving CDM errors needs a numeric systemCode (deleted with MediaKeyError)
15:29:05 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776
15:29:07 <joesteele> ACTION-79?
15:29:07 <trackbot> ACTION-79 -- Jerry Smith to Draft a proposal for returning errors as per bug 26776 -- due 2015-03-30 -- CLOSED
15:29:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/79
15:29:14 <joesteele> jdsmith: in the hands of the editors
15:29:29 <joesteele> topic: Issue #9 - Remove note that MediaKeySession events may not be fired until the MediaKeys object is associated with a media element
15:29:38 <joesteele> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/9
15:29:46 <joesteele> paulc: also from a previous mtg
15:29:53 <joesteele> ... did this yesterday
15:29:55 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/9#issuecomment-90257480
15:30:08 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:30:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:30:53 <joesteele> markw: I think the proposal to resovle was david's idea, that apple maintain the possibility of not firing the event
15:31:08 <joesteele> ... the brower can make the decision of how to handle
15:31:17 <joesteele> .. this turns into an explicit capability detection
15:31:22 <joesteele> paulc: comments?
15:31:35 <joesteele> ... can we resolve now?
15:31:47 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:31:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:32:00 <paulc> See previous comment: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/9#issuecomment-75681264
15:32:02 <joesteele> paulc: Mark does your proposal go against this comment?
15:32:29 <joesteele> ... "we specifically asked for this message to be added ..."
15:32:53 <joesteele> markw: the proposal is consistent with what he is asking for, the behavior would be allowed, but is explicitly exposed
15:33:05 <joesteele> paulc: any other comments? or can we resolve?
15:33:10 <joesteele> +1 to resolving
15:33:24 <joesteele> paulc: does anyone object with resolving?
15:33:48 <joesteele> ddorwin: I am concerned about th impact for apps that want to support Apple, but this seems likes the simplest path forward. I am fine with it
15:33:58 <joesteele> paulc: OK then hand to the editors
15:34:02 <joesteele> ... thanks Mark
15:34:27 <joesteele> topic: Next Week
15:34:32 <joesteele> no mtg next week
15:34:44 <joesteele> paulc: would like to give folks this time back
15:34:49 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:34:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:35:03 <joesteele> ... would like for folks to work on the wiki and figure out what is important
15:35:21 <joesteele> ... see you all on the 15th at the F2F
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15:35:26 <joesteele> ... bye all
15:35:27 <Zakim> -pal
15:35:28 <Zakim> -davide
15:35:29 <Zakim> -jdsmith
15:35:30 <Zakim> -joesteele
15:35:35 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:35:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:35:38 <Zakim> -markw
15:35:44 <Zakim> -ddorwin
15:36:37 <joesteele> s/questiosn/questions/
15:37:07 <joesteele> s/ono the/on the/
15:37:09 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
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15:37:23 <joesteele> s/resovle/resolve/
15:37:45 <joesteele> s/+1 to resolving/joesteele: +1 to resolving/
15:37:46 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:37:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:37:58 <joesteele> s/th impact/the impact/
15:38:00 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
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15:38:51 <joesteele> s/questiosn/questions/
15:38:53 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
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15:39:19 <joesteele> s/adjounrment/adjournment/
15:39:20 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:39:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:39:28 <Zakim> -paulc
15:39:29 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
15:39:29 <Zakim> Attendees were paulc, markw, pal, ddorwin, jdsmith, davide, +1.303.661.aaaa, BobLund, joesteele
15:39:46 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:39:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
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15:40:35 <joesteele> s/Issue 45:/Issue #45 - /
15:40:36 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:40:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:41:01 <joesteele> Zakim, bye
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15:41:04 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:41:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/07-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:41:08 <joesteele> rrsagent, bye
15:41:08 <RRSAgent> I see no action items