16:30:54 RRSAgent has joined #ua 16:30:54 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-irc 16:30:56 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:30:56 Zakim has joined #ua 16:30:58 Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG 16:30:58 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 30 minutes 16:30:59 Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 16:30:59 Date: 02 April 2015 16:31:01 agenda+ comments from Shawn 16:31:03 agenda+ documenting implementations 16:31:04 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Main_Page#Implementation 16:31:14 rrsagent, set logs public 16:31:59 agenda+ charter 17:01:04 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started 17:01:11 +Jim_Allan 17:01:12 +Jeanne 17:01:40 agenda- charter 17:01:41 Jan has joined #ua 17:01:56 zakim, code? 17:01:56 the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan 17:02:16 +[IPcaller] 17:02:24 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan 17:02:24 +Jan; got it 17:02:48 + +1.617.435.aaaa 17:03:01 -Jan 17:03:04 zakim, aaaa is really kim 17:03:04 +kim; got it 17:03:33 +[IPcaller] 17:03:42 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan 17:03:42 +Jan; got it 17:04:22 agenda+ exit criteria 17:04:25 Greg has joined #ua 17:05:08 +Greg_Lowney 17:08:50 zakim, agenda? 17:08:50 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda: 17:08:51 1. comments from Shawn [from allanj] 17:08:51 2. documenting implementations [from allanj] 17:08:51 3. charter [from allanj] 17:08:52 4. exit criteria [from allanj] 17:09:05 zakim, close item 3 17:09:05 agendum 3, charter, closed 17:09:06 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:09:06 1. comments from Shawn [from allanj] 17:11:05 UAAG Completion plan -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/UAAG_2.0_Completion_Plan 17:11:42 scribe: allanj 17:11:57 topic: UAAG Completion Plan 17:12:09 https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/UAAG_2.0_Completion_Plan 17:12:46 jr: this is good. 17:13:52 open item 4 17:14:19 topic: exit criteria 17:14:36 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0050.html 17:24:53 js: discussion of rendering engine vs UA UI 17:28:04 2. Test Implementations: Perform these tests and verify at least two results on user agents, and to the extent needed, combinations of user agents and extensions. 17:31:09 http://w3c.github.io/UAAG/UAAG20/#def-extension 17:31:38 js: use def of user agent add-0n instead of extensions 17:32:33 gl: should we clarify in the def that AT is not an add-on 17:33:15 proposal: 2. Test Implementations: Perform these tests and verify at least two results on user agents, and to the extent needed, combinations of user agents and user agent add-ons. 17:34:09 js: with a link to def of add-ons 17:34:22 http://w3c.github.io/UAAG/UAAG20/#def-extension 17:35:13 -kim 17:37:41 https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Latest_Draft_of_Exit_Criteria 17:39:03 RESOLUTION: Exit Criteria is https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Latest_Draft_of_Exit_Criteria 17:44:16 Implementation Note 9: Relationship with operating system or platform: The user agent does not need to implement every behavior itself. A required behavior can be provided by the platform, user agent, user agent extensions, or potentially other layers. All are acceptable, as long as they are enumerated in the conformance claim. 17:45:03 In Implementation Note 9 we should change "extensions" to our newer, broader term, "add-ons". 17:45:50 zakim, agneda? 17:45:50 I don't understand your question, allanj. 17:45:58 zakim, agenda? 17:45:58 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda: 17:45:59 1. comments from Shawn [from allanj] 17:45:59 2. documenting implementations [from allanj] 17:45:59 4. exit criteria [from allanj] 17:46:47 action: jeanne change "extensions" to our newer, broader term, "add-ons" in the document 17:46:47 Created ACTION-1077 - Change "extensions" to our newer, broader term, "add-ons" in the document [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-04-09]. 17:47:04 close item 4 17:48:23 action: jeanne add a note to Def of User agent to reference applicability notes #8 and #9 17:48:24 Created ACTION-1078 - Add a note to def of user agent to reference applicability notes #8 and #9 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-04-09]. 17:50:37 topic: comments from Shawn 17:50:58 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0046.html 17:51:12 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0055.html 17:52:18 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015AprJun/0000.html 17:52:18 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2015Apr/0000.html 17:53:11 s/ https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0046.html/ 17:54:11 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2015Apr/0000.html 17:54:34 use the following links 17:54:36 https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Comment_Response_20_March_2015 17:54:47 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2015Apr/0000.html 17:55:34 topic: 1.4.1 and 1.4.2 17:56:43 1.4.1 is A, 1.4.2 is AA 17:57:48 this is an OLD comment, we have edited the document since she made these comments 18:00:18 all agree to use line space from 1.4.1 in 1.4.2 18:01:20 RESOLUTION: line space statement in bullet 4 from 1.4.1 in 1.4.2 18:02:38 s/this is an OLD comment, we have edited the document since she made these comments// 18:04:05 topic: shawn comment 2 18:04:15 proposal: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/att-0059/00-part 18:05:07 ja: accept proposal 18:05:10 jr: +1 18:05:22 gl: _1 18:05:29 gl: +1 18:05:50 RESOLUTION: accepted proposal for second item. 18:06:17 topic: sh comment 3 18:06:36 SLH: [in response to SH02] I agree that most UAs today provide zoom at any increment - yeah! I do still think it is *very important that the standard include what users need*, even if it is already implemented in today's UAs -- to ensure that it is included in future UAs. 18:09:05 in reference to 1.8.5 18:10:08 http://jspellman.github.io/UAAG-LC-Comment/ 18:10:21 s/shawn comment 2/shawn comment 3 18:13:41 gl: could put # of steps 18:14:40 js: in the intent, the most needed range is between 200 and 400%, with 6 steps 18:15:46 js: in the intent, the most needed range is between 150% and 400%, with 6 steps, or user can set own percentage 18:16:35 The commonly needed range is between 150-400%. Provide 6 steps in that range, or let the user set their own exact percentage. 18:16:54 RESOLUTION: modifying intent to include "The commonly needed range is between 150-400%. Provide 6 steps in that range, or let the user set their own exact percentage." 18:17:09 action: Jeanne to add the text above to the Intent of 1.8.5 18:17:09 Created ACTION-1079 - Add the text above to the intent of 1.8.5 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-04-09]. 18:17:41 Jan amends" A commonly needed range is between 150-400%. Provide 6 steps in that range, or let the user set their own exact percentage. 18:18:28 RESOLUTION: modifying intent to include "The commonly needed range is between 150-400%. A user agent could provide 6 steps in that range, or let the user set their own exact percentage." 18:18:29 A user agent could provide 5 or 6 steps in that range or let the user set their own exact percentage. 18:19:07 topic: shawn comment 4 18:21:13 RESOLUTION: response borders in 1.4.6, margins are in 1.4.3 18:23:13 topic: shawn comments 1 April 18:25:28 sh: It seems the idea of "text... fits within the width of the viewport" is missing. Is this supposed to be covered in 1.8.14? If so, can you add that wording, e.g,. "The user can have the user agent override author-specified unit dimensions, so the text fits within the width of the viewport." ? 18:26:14 jr: we broke 1.8.7 in to multiple sc for testing purposes. we could not find an easy way to globally text a broad SC 18:28:05 RESOLUTION: we broke 1.8.7 in to multiple sc (1.8.13, 14, 15) for testing purposes. we could not find an easy way to globally test a broad SC. UAWG does not believe we have lost any functionality. 18:28:44 Perhaps in the Intent and/or Summary we can say something like SC 1.8.13 through 1.8.15 work together to..." 18:29:35 "... allow users to work with enlarged text without having to use horizontal scrolling." 18:29:54 s/use horizontal scrolling/scroll horizontally/ 18:30:47 action: jeanne add to intent "SC 1.8.13 through 1.8.15 work together to allow users to work with enlarged text without having to use horizontal scrolling" 18:30:47 Created ACTION-1080 - Add to intent "sc 1.8.13 through 1.8.15 work together to allow users to work with enlarged text without having to use horizontal scrolling" [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-04-09]. 18:31:34 action: jeanne add to intent "SC 1.8.13 through 1.8.15 work together to allow users to work with enlarged text without having to scroll horizontally" 18:31:34 Created ACTION-1081 - Add to intent "sc 1.8.13 through 1.8.15 work together to allow users to work with enlarged text without having to scroll horizontally" [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-04-09]. 18:31:47 close action-1080 18:31:47 Closed action-1080. 18:33:17 rrsagent: make minutes 18:33:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html allanj 18:36:53 zakim, please part 18:36:53 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Jim_Allan, Jeanne, Jan, +1.617.435.aaaa, kim, Greg_Lowney 18:36:53 Zakim has left #ua 18:38:27 rrsagent: make minutes 18:38:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html allanj 18:57:07 rrsagent, please part 18:57:07 I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-actions.rdf : 18:57:07 ACTION: jeanne change "extensions" to our newer, broader term, "add-ons" in the document [1] 18:57:07 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-irc#T17-46-47 18:57:07 ACTION: jeanne add a note to Def of User agent to reference applicability notes #8 and #9 [2] 18:57:07 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-irc#T17-48-23 18:57:07 ACTION: Jeanne to add the text above to the Intent of 1.8.5 [3] 18:57:07 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-irc#T18-17-09 18:57:07 ACTION: jeanne add to intent "SC 1.8.13 through 1.8.15 work together to allow users to work with enlarged text without having to use horizontal scrolling" [4] 18:57:07 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-irc#T18-30-47 18:57:07 ACTION: jeanne add to intent "SC 1.8.13 through 1.8.15 work together to allow users to work with enlarged text without having to scroll horizontally" [5] 18:57:07 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-irc#T18-31-34