14:34:16 RRSAgent has joined #html-a11y 14:34:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-html-a11y-irc 14:40:45 zakim, agenda? 14:40:45 I see nothing on the agenda 14:40:50 agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List 14:41:35 agenda+ Additional agenda? 14:41:51 agenda+ April F2F Update; TPAC 14:42:16 agenda+ HTML AAM Publication Update -- Janina 14:42:35 agenda+ CfC on CfCs; Work Statement Update -- Janina, Chaals, Paul 14:43:00 agenda+Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Janina 14:43:20 agenda+ Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam 14:43:53 agenda+ TF's EME Bug -- Leonie http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0076.html 14:44:13 agenda+ Tracking A11y Related Bugs -- Cynthia http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0075.html 14:44:34 agenda+ TF Open Actions http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track 14:44:47 agenda+ Other Business 14:44:57 zakim, this will be 2119 14:44:57 ok, LJWatson; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 44 minutes ago 14:45:07 rrsagent, set logs world-visible 14:45:16 Meeting: HTML A11y TF telecon 14:45:23 Chair: Janina Sajka 14:59:31 trackbot, start meeting 14:59:33 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:59:35 Zakim, this will be 2119 14:59:36 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 14:59:36 Date: 02 April 2015 14:59:37 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago 14:59:41 zakim, agenda? 14:59:41 I see 11 items remaining on the agenda: 14:59:42 1. Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from LJWatson] 14:59:42 2. Additional agenda? [from LJWatson] 14:59:42 3. April F2F Update; TPAC [from LJWatson] 14:59:43 4. HTML AAM Publication Update -- Janina [from LJWatson] 14:59:43 5. CfC on CfCs; Work Statement Update -- Janina, Chaals, Paul [from LJWatson] 14:59:43 6. Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Janina [from LJWatson] 14:59:44 7. Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam [from LJWatson] 14:59:44 8. TF's EME Bug -- Leonie http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0076.html [from LJWatson] 14:59:44 9. Tracking A11y Related Bugs -- Cynthia http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0075.html [from LJWatson] 14:59:44 10. TF Open Actions http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track [from LJWatson] 14:59:45 11. Other Business [from LJWatson] 15:00:15 zakim, who's on the phone? 15:00:15 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, Judy 15:00:17 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, chaals, ShaneM, IanPouncey, newtron, Judy, LJWatson, janina, sivoais, liam, joanie, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot 15:00:29 zakim, who's on the phone? 15:00:29 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina 15:00:30 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, chaals, ShaneM, IanPouncey, newtron, Judy, LJWatson, janina, sivoais, liam, joanie, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot 15:00:43 zakim, this is 2119 15:00:43 janina, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move 2119 to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel 15:00:47 paulc has joined #html-a11y 15:01:04 zakim, this is WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) 15:01:04 janina, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel 15:01:25 zakim, what is the code? 15:01:25 the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc 15:01:27 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:01:27 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, MarkS 15:01:28 On IRC I see paulc, RRSAgent, Zakim, chaals, ShaneM, IanPouncey, newtron, Judy, LJWatson, janina, sivoais, liam, joanie, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot 15:01:30 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 15:01:30 sorry, LJWatson, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' 15:01:33 zakim, who's here? 15:01:34 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina 15:01:34 On IRC I see paulc, RRSAgent, Zakim, chaals, ShaneM, IanPouncey, newtron, Judy, LJWatson, janina, sivoais, liam, joanie, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot 15:01:38 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:01:38 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, LJWatson 15:01:39 On IRC I see paulc, RRSAgent, Zakim, chaals, ShaneM, IanPouncey, newtron, Judy, LJWatson, janina, sivoais, liam, joanie, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot 15:01:43 zakim, this is wai 15:01:43 wai matches both WAI_WCAG()10:00AM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM, chaals 15:01:47 zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) 15:01:47 janina, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel 15:01:55 zakim, this is WAI_PF 15:01:55 chaals, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move WAI_PF to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel 15:02:04 zakim, move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here 15:02:04 I don't understand 'move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here', janina 15:02:07 zakim, move WAI_PF to here 15:02:09 ok, chaals; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM 15:02:20 zakim, who is here? 15:02:20 On the phone I see Janina, Judy, chaals, Plh, +1.617.319.aaaa, [IPcaller], Joanmarie_Diggs, ShaneM, [Microsoft] 15:02:20 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:02:21 zakim, list the attendees? 15:02:22 On IRC I see paulc, RRSAgent, Zakim, chaals, ShaneM, IanPouncey, newtron, Judy, LJWatson, janina, sivoais, liam, joanie, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot 15:02:22 On the phone I see Janina, Judy, chaals, Plh, +1.617.319.aaaa, [IPcaller], Joanmarie_Diggs, ShaneM, [Microsoft] 15:02:22 I don't understand your question, paulc. 15:02:22 +David_MacDonald 15:02:29 zakim, [Microsoft] is me 15:02:29 +paulc; got it 15:02:32 zakim, +aaaa is me 15:02:33 sorry, MarkS, I do not recognize a party named '+aaaa' 15:02:40 zakim, who's on the phone? 15:02:40 On the phone I see Janina, Judy, chaals, Plh, +1.617.319.aaaa, [IPcaller], Joanmarie_Diggs, ShaneM, paulc, David_MacDonald 15:02:45 zakim, [aaaa] is me 15:02:45 sorry, MarkS, I do not recognize a party named '[aaaa]' 15:02:50 zakim, aaaa is marks 15:02:50 +marks; got it 15:02:51 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 15:02:51 +LJWatson; got it 15:03:11 +BrianKardell 15:03:17 David has joined #html-a11y 15:03:36 scribe: MarkS 15:03:46 zakim, take up item 1 15:03:46 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from LJWatson] 15:03:50 Mark is it 15:03:53 zakim, close item 1 15:03:53 agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed 15:03:56 I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:03:56 2. Additional agenda? [from LJWatson] 15:03:56 zakim, next item 15:03:58 agendum 2. "Additional agenda?" taken up [from LJWatson] 15:04:03 JF has joined #html-a11y 15:04:10 bkardell_ has joined #html-a11y 15:04:13 JS: We need to talk about Web VTT review 15:04:33 ...hopefully JF will be on the call when we bring it up 15:04:44 zakim, close item 2 15:04:44 agendum 2, Additional agenda?, closed 15:04:44 zakim, close this item 15:04:45 I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:04:45 3. April F2F Update; TPAC [from LJWatson] 15:04:45 I do not know what agendum had been taken up, janina 15:04:45 +JF 15:05:08 PC: I sent an email to the TF to contact the Media TF for discussion items at the F2F 15:05:16 JS: We already have an item for that 15:05:31 zakim, take up next item 15:05:31 agendum 3. "April F2F Update; TPAC" taken up [from LJWatson] 15:06:07 JS: Registration closes today. If you are planning to go and have not done it yet, register 15:06:20 ...Paul has sent a request for agenda topics related to media 15:06:25 Q+ to say we have transcript and a bug on EME 15:06:53 CN: we have transcript to talk about. Working on wiki and work items to structure discussion 15:07:03 ...we have a bug, leonie looked and says its alright 15:07:22 ...no other direct issues as far as I know 15:07:32 JS: That is my understanding as well 15:07:53 Topic: Participation in TF F2F in Europe 15:08:15 -> http://doodle.com/umhcvicyabcta7m8 Poll for possible meeting dates in europe 15:08:16 JS: Chaals put out a poll for participation in a TF F2F in Europe 15:08:37 ...also a discussion about meeting during TPAC 15:09:03 ...i expect to meet April 30th deadline for responding RE TPAC participation 15:09:14 ...hope to have a TF meeting as part of TPAC 15:09:14 q+ 15:09:29 q? 15:09:32 ...should start thinking about participating in Japan 15:09:34 ack ch 15:09:34 chaals, you wanted to say we have transcript and a bug on EME and to 15:10:09 Q+ 15:10:10 CN: If we have a PF meeting and the same time as a HTML meeting, most people in here are in both groups. Would need more coordination. 15:10:25 q+ 15:10:30 ...may not be a need for a TF meeting if that is the case 15:10:52 JS: PF would probably meet at the same time as WebApps, not HTML 15:10:52 q? 15:10:55 q? 15:11:08 ack l 15:11:31 ack p 15:11:32 LW: RE: April meeting, Brian Kardell was interested in participating remotely to discuss panels. Wondering if that is a possibility? 15:11:41 PC: i would ask cynthia 15:11:48 q? 15:11:53 ...i can't see why not, all the rooms have the ability 15:11:58 ...just need to setup zakim 15:12:32 q+ 15:12:53 PC: RE: conflicts with PF and HTML meeting times. If you think about it, a lot of the work is happening in task forces. I think we would have simultaneous TF meetings going on during the WG meetings 15:13:16 ... can schedule TF meetings on Thursday afternoon. Should solve problems of overlap 15:13:29 +Liam 15:13:32 ...could be a conflict for people who are in multiple TF's 15:13:41 CN: That sounds like a great idea to me 15:14:04 PC: would be helpful to get a commitment from the TF for participation. 15:14:25 agenda? 15:14:34 zakim, next item 15:14:34 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina 15:14:37 q? 15:14:41 ack ch 15:14:44 zakim, next item 15:14:44 agendum 4. "HTML AAM Publication Update -- Janina" taken up [from LJWatson] 15:15:32 JS: Slight delay in getting it published. Must get transition request in and approved, get announcement ready for FPWD. April 7 is the target date. 15:15:53 ...i personally think that date is reasonable 15:15:56 PC: I agree 15:16:00 zakim, next item 15:16:00 agendum 5. "CfC on CfCs; Work Statement Update -- Janina, Chaals, Paul" taken up [from LJWatson] 15:17:16 JS: Waiting for some language from Chaals and some staff work from Liam. Then the WG can run it through their processes. Bringing this in sync with parent group operating procedures and cleaning up out of date references 15:17:23 zakim, next item 15:17:23 agendum 6. "Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Janina" taken up [from LJWatson] 15:17:59 JS: I plan on informing the canvas-api list of the recent development with Chrome on implementation support. 15:18:26 zakim, next item 15:18:26 agendum 7. "Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam" taken up [from LJWatson] 15:19:48 JS: Next steps are to approve publishing this as the final publication. Start a call for consensus. 15:19:53 http://www.w3.org/2015/03/alt-draft.html 15:20:20 DM: is this document in sync with what is in HTML 5.0? 15:21:15 JS: What we discovered is that this doc fully mirrored what was in HTML 5 and didn't see a point in that, so we created a stub document that would allow us to park it permanently. Then any edits we want in the spec would be filed as bugs on HTML 15:22:28 q? 15:22:30 Do we have a list of filed bugs? 15:22:33 JS: I will try to get the CfC out today 15:22:46 PC: Do we have a list of the filed bugs on alt? 15:22:52 JS: do we have them filed 15:22:54 SM: no 15:23:01 s/no/not against HTML5 15:23:27 PC: are we going to move them off the alt doc component, move them to HTML5 component... 15:23:47 LQ: Create bugs against 5.1. 15:24:01 PC: ED will be used to describe the changes you want, like a written proposal 15:24:37 JS: I think we are looking for a coherent read from top to bottom, hard to do because the spec is so big 15:24:51 zakim, next item 15:24:51 agendum 8. "TF's EME Bug -- Leonie http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0076.html" taken up [from LJWatson] 15:25:02 +Cynthia_Shelly 15:25:41 [+1 15:25:42 JS: there is a response from Media TF in response to the bug we filed. Leonie provided a nice summary. I think we are satisfied with response 15:26:05 q? 15:26:10 ...JF since the response was addressed to you, can you reply and thank them? 15:26:18 zakim, next item 15:26:18 agendum 9. "Tracking A11y Related Bugs -- Cynthia http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0075.html" taken up [from LJWatson] 15:26:22 JF: yes 15:27:19 JS: Cyns talked last week about how to track a11y bugs against IE. Reminded me that we don't have a formal process for doing such work for other UAs 15:28:13 ...We used to have Bug Triage. I don't expect we need to reconstitute that at this point. Not a lot of bugs left. If we see this change, we may consider it. 15:28:21 +1 15:28:41 ...should use the TF call to handle it now. We should have a Wiki page to track issues against user agents, tracking support and implementation. 15:28:46 +1 15:28:59 q? 15:29:06 +1 15:29:14 ...Liam, can you set that up if everyone agrees? 15:29:20 q+ 15:29:25 LQ: anyone on the TF can create a wiki page 15:29:30 q+ 15:29:32 ack jo 15:29:36 -ShaneM 15:30:55 JD: I like the idea, conceptually. However, I feel like editing a wiki is a lot more work than is needed. Bugzilla has a feature to track bugs in *other* bug trackers. Not sure how to set it up. Mozilla and Webkit all use an open bug tracking system. Not chrome though 15:31:06 ack bg 15:31:16 ack bk 15:31:53 s/*other* bug trackers/other Bugzilla instances/ 15:31:55 BK: I think it would be valuable for developers (outside this group) to have access to this information, too. 15:32:08 s/open bug tracking system/Bugzilla/ 15:32:17 ...what has worked out really well for HTML5 is caniuse.com 15:32:19 RRSAgent, make minutes 15:32:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-html-a11y-minutes.html joanie 15:32:20 [chaals leaves] 15:32:28 [+1 to bkardell] 15:32:29 ...very popular reference for developers. 15:32:38 -chaals 15:32:43 ack cy 15:33:00 CS: does bugzilla allow tracking against other databases? 15:33:09 JD: other bugzilla instances, not others AFAIK 15:33:15 q? 15:33:27 zakim, what is the code? 15:33:27 the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ShaneM 15:33:33 +1 for a caniuse for accessibility 15:33:34 +ShaneM 15:33:37 s/an Bugzilla/Bugzilla/ 15:33:58 s/all use/both use/ 15:34:04 q+ 15:34:15 ack m 15:34:29 RRSAgent, make minutes 15:34:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-html-a11y-minutes.html joanie 15:34:47 Q+ 15:34:56 MarkS I can definitely reach out to them 15:34:59 ack jf 15:35:27 JF: I reached out to caniuse.com a few years ago. they said they would be interested, but they would need someone to provide the entire dataset. 15:36:24 q+ to mention Apple's radar tracker automatically tracking 15:36:27 ...at CSUN a couple years ago, we attempted to do this and while it got off to a great start, it lost steam 15:36:40 CS: I'm hoping webdriver work will help with that. 15:36:53 s/webdriver/our web driver 15:37:24 q- 15:37:27 JS: can we start with a wiki page? Liam? 15:37:32 LQ: yes 15:39:15 agenda? 15:39:36 topic: WebVTT 15:40:30 JS: Need to look at WebVTT, more specificity on that. I know JF has some interest in that. I think we need more expertise. Perhaps we don't have to worry about depth as much as just what is covered, what is not 15:41:09 q+ 15:41:23 q? 15:41:26 ack ju 15:41:26 JF: I think I could do that in the next couple weeks. There is also a WebVTT2 that is being worked on. Provided by MediaLabs? I can take a look at it. I believe some representatives will be at the F2F in Seattle. Should be able to comment on it then 15:41:51 JB: What they are looking for from us is a review of their current draft, to make sure it satisfies MAUR 15:42:28 JS: not WebVTT2, just the current version 15:42:31 JB: yes 15:43:08 Where is the TF wiki with the new features we want to work on? 15:43:21 judy: Thierry Michel should be available for questions if needed while you're going through the MAUR & WebVTT review 15:43:41 JS: we can talk on Monday at Media a11y TF 15:43:44 JF: yes 15:43:47 SM: yes 15:43:48 Thierry is staff contact for that WB 15:43:53 s/WB/WG/ 15:44:23 [ https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Browser_Bug_Trackers created ] 15:44:39 JB: suggest reaching out to Thierry if you identify gaps 15:44:50 zkim, next item 15:44:56 zakim, next item 15:44:56 agendum 10. "TF Open Actions http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track" taken up [from LJWatson] 15:45:25 s/if you identify gaps/if you have questions, and then potentially inviting him into a discussion if you identify gaps./ 15:45:58 JF: 7 open actions 15:46:08 ...3 past due 15:46:30 ...Steve Faulkner about contacting James Nurthen re imagemaps 15:46:40 ...next is on me 15:46:46 JS: reassign to me. 15:47:12 ACTION-308 reassigned to Janina 15:47:14 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/308 15:47:37 JF: We can close the one on Leonie RE EME 15:48:26 ...ACTION-189 on lang attribute and ACTION-204 are on Cyns, due next week 15:48:35 ...last one is a proposal on menus, due later this year 15:48:39 zakim, next item 15:48:39 agendum 11. "Other Business" taken up [from LJWatson] 15:49:03 rrsagent, make minutes 15:49:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS 15:49:10 -ShaneM 15:49:20 [adjourned] 15:49:22 -Cynthia_Shelly 15:49:23 -LJWatson 15:49:23 -BrianKardell 15:49:25 -Joanmarie_Diggs 15:49:27 -Judy 15:49:29 -David_MacDonald 15:49:29 -Plh 15:49:31 -Janina 15:49:39 -marks 15:49:40 -Liam 15:49:48 -JF 15:49:50 rrsagent, make minutes 15:49:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS 15:49:56 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:49:56 On the phone I see paulc 15:50:03 zakim, drop paulc 15:50:03 paulc is being disconnected 15:50:05 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended 15:50:05 Attendees were Janina, Judy, Plh, chaals, +1.617.319.aaaa, Joanmarie_Diggs, ShaneM, David_MacDonald, paulc, marks, LJWatson, BrianKardell, JF, Liam, Cynthia_Shelly 15:50:10 rrsagent, make minutes 15:50:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-html-a11y-minutes.html MarkS 17:04:34 Judy has joined #html-a11y 17:39:53 newtron_ has joined #html-a11y 18:36:45 Judy has joined #html-a11y 23:09:57 IanPouncey has joined #html-a11y