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14:40:45 zakim, agenda?
14:40:45 I see nothing on the agenda
14:40:50 agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:41:35 agenda+ Additional agenda?
14:41:51 agenda+ April F2F Update; TPAC
14:42:16 agenda+ HTML AAM Publication Update -- Janina
14:42:35 agenda+ CfC on CfCs; Work Statement Update -- Janina, Chaals, Paul
14:43:00 agenda+Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Janina
14:43:20 agenda+ Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam
14:43:53 agenda+ TF's EME Bug -- Leonie http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0076.html
14:44:13 agenda+ Tracking A11y Related Bugs -- Cynthia http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0075.html
14:44:34 agenda+ TF Open Actions http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track
14:44:47 agenda+ Other Business
14:44:57 zakim, this will be 2119
14:44:57 ok, LJWatson; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 44 minutes ago
14:45:07 rrsagent, set logs world-visible
14:45:16 Meeting: HTML A11y TF telecon
14:45:23 Chair: Janina Sajka
14:59:31 trackbot, start meeting
14:59:33 RRSAgent, make logs world
14:59:35 Zakim, this will be 2119
14:59:36 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:59:36 Date: 02 April 2015
14:59:37 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
14:59:41 zakim, agenda?
14:59:41 I see 11 items remaining on the agenda:
14:59:42 1. Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from LJWatson]
14:59:42 2. Additional agenda? [from LJWatson]
14:59:42 3. April F2F Update; TPAC [from LJWatson]
14:59:43 4. HTML AAM Publication Update -- Janina [from LJWatson]
14:59:43 5. CfC on CfCs; Work Statement Update -- Janina, Chaals, Paul [from LJWatson]
14:59:43 6. Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Janina [from LJWatson]
14:59:44 7. Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam [from LJWatson]
14:59:44 8. TF's EME Bug -- Leonie http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0076.html [from LJWatson]
14:59:44 9. Tracking A11y Related Bugs -- Cynthia http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0075.html [from LJWatson]
14:59:44 10. TF Open Actions http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track [from LJWatson]
14:59:45 11. Other Business [from LJWatson]
15:00:15 zakim, who's on the phone?
15:00:15 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, Judy
15:00:17 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, chaals, ShaneM, IanPouncey, newtron, Judy, LJWatson, janina, sivoais, liam, joanie, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot
15:00:29 zakim, who's on the phone?
15:00:29 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:00:30 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, chaals, ShaneM, IanPouncey, newtron, Judy, LJWatson, janina, sivoais, liam, joanie, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot
15:00:43 zakim, this is 2119
15:00:43 janina, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move 2119 to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
15:00:47 paulc has joined #html-a11y
15:01:04 zakim, this is WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
15:01:04 janina, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
15:01:25 zakim, what is the code?
15:01:25 the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:01:27 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:27 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, MarkS
15:01:28 On IRC I see paulc, RRSAgent, Zakim, chaals, ShaneM, IanPouncey, newtron, Judy, LJWatson, janina, sivoais, liam, joanie, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot
15:01:30 zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:01:30 sorry, LJWatson, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
15:01:33 zakim, who's here?
15:01:34 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:01:34 On IRC I see paulc, RRSAgent, Zakim, chaals, ShaneM, IanPouncey, newtron, Judy, LJWatson, janina, sivoais, liam, joanie, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot
15:01:38 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:38 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, LJWatson
15:01:39 On IRC I see paulc, RRSAgent, Zakim, chaals, ShaneM, IanPouncey, newtron, Judy, LJWatson, janina, sivoais, liam, joanie, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot
15:01:43 zakim, this is wai
15:01:43 wai matches both WAI_WCAG()10:00AM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM, chaals
15:01:47 zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
15:01:47 janina, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
15:01:55 zakim, this is WAI_PF
15:01:55 chaals, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move WAI_PF to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
15:02:04 zakim, move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here
15:02:04 I don't understand 'move WAI_PFWG(HTML TF) to here', janina
15:02:07 zakim, move WAI_PF to here
15:02:09 ok, chaals; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
15:02:20 zakim, who is here?
15:02:20 On the phone I see Janina, Judy, chaals, Plh, +1.617.319.aaaa, [IPcaller], Joanmarie_Diggs, ShaneM, [Microsoft]
15:02:20 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:21 zakim, list the attendees?
15:02:22 On IRC I see paulc, RRSAgent, Zakim, chaals, ShaneM, IanPouncey, newtron, Judy, LJWatson, janina, sivoais, liam, joanie, cabanier, MarkS, trackbot
15:02:22 On the phone I see Janina, Judy, chaals, Plh, +1.617.319.aaaa, [IPcaller], Joanmarie_Diggs, ShaneM, [Microsoft]
15:02:22 I don't understand your question, paulc.
15:02:22 +David_MacDonald
15:02:29 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:02:29 +paulc; got it
15:02:32 zakim, +aaaa is me
15:02:33 sorry, MarkS, I do not recognize a party named '+aaaa'
15:02:40 zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:40 On the phone I see Janina, Judy, chaals, Plh, +1.617.319.aaaa, [IPcaller], Joanmarie_Diggs, ShaneM, paulc, David_MacDonald
15:02:45 zakim, [aaaa] is me
15:02:45 sorry, MarkS, I do not recognize a party named '[aaaa]'
15:02:50 zakim, aaaa is marks
15:02:50 +marks; got it
15:02:51 zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:02:51 +LJWatson; got it
15:03:11 +BrianKardell
15:03:17 David has joined #html-a11y
15:03:36 scribe: MarkS
15:03:46 zakim, take up item 1
15:03:46 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:03:50 Mark is it
15:03:53 zakim, close item 1
15:03:53 agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:03:56 I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:03:56 2. Additional agenda? [from LJWatson]
15:03:56 zakim, next item
15:03:58 agendum 2. "Additional agenda?" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:04:03 JF has joined #html-a11y
15:04:10 bkardell_ has joined #html-a11y
15:04:13 JS: We need to talk about Web VTT review
15:04:33 ...hopefully JF will be on the call when we bring it up
15:04:44 zakim, close item 2
15:04:44 agendum 2, Additional agenda?, closed
15:04:44 zakim, close this item
15:04:45 I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:04:45 3. April F2F Update; TPAC [from LJWatson]
15:04:45 I do not know what agendum had been taken up, janina
15:04:45 +JF
15:05:08 PC: I sent an email to the TF to contact the Media TF for discussion items at the F2F
15:05:16 JS: We already have an item for that
15:05:31 zakim, take up next item
15:05:31 agendum 3. "April F2F Update; TPAC" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:06:07 JS: Registration closes today. If you are planning to go and have not done it yet, register
15:06:20 ...Paul has sent a request for agenda topics related to media
15:06:25 Q+ to say we have transcript and a bug on EME
15:06:53 CN: we have transcript to talk about. Working on wiki and work items to structure discussion
15:07:03 ...we have a bug, leonie looked and says its alright
15:07:22 ...no other direct issues as far as I know
15:07:32 JS: That is my understanding as well
15:07:53 Topic: Participation in TF F2F in Europe
15:08:15 -> http://doodle.com/umhcvicyabcta7m8 Poll for possible meeting dates in europe
15:08:16 JS: Chaals put out a poll for participation in a TF F2F in Europe
15:08:37 ...also a discussion about meeting during TPAC
15:09:03 ...i expect to meet April 30th deadline for responding RE TPAC participation
15:09:14 ...hope to have a TF meeting as part of TPAC
15:09:14 q+
15:09:29 q?
15:09:32 ...should start thinking about participating in Japan
15:09:34 ack ch
15:09:34 chaals, you wanted to say we have transcript and a bug on EME and to
15:10:09 Q+
15:10:10 CN: If we have a PF meeting and the same time as a HTML meeting, most people in here are in both groups. Would need more coordination.
15:10:25 q+
15:10:30 ...may not be a need for a TF meeting if that is the case
15:10:52 JS: PF would probably meet at the same time as WebApps, not HTML
15:10:52 q?
15:10:55 q?
15:11:08 ack l
15:11:31 ack p
15:11:32 LW: RE: April meeting, Brian Kardell was interested in participating remotely to discuss panels. Wondering if that is a possibility?
15:11:41 PC: i would ask cynthia
15:11:48 q?
15:11:53 ...i can't see why not, all the rooms have the ability
15:11:58 ...just need to setup zakim
15:12:32 q+
15:12:53 PC: RE: conflicts with PF and HTML meeting times. If you think about it, a lot of the work is happening in task forces. I think we would have simultaneous TF meetings going on during the WG meetings
15:13:16 ... can schedule TF meetings on Thursday afternoon. Should solve problems of overlap
15:13:29 +Liam
15:13:32 ...could be a conflict for people who are in multiple TF's
15:13:41 CN: That sounds like a great idea to me
15:14:04 PC: would be helpful to get a commitment from the TF for participation.
15:14:25 agenda?
15:14:34 zakim, next item
15:14:34 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina
15:14:37 q?
15:14:41 ack ch
15:14:44 zakim, next item
15:14:44 agendum 4. "HTML AAM Publication Update -- Janina" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:15:32 JS: Slight delay in getting it published. Must get transition request in and approved, get announcement ready for FPWD. April 7 is the target date.
15:15:53 ...i personally think that date is reasonable
15:15:56 PC: I agree
15:16:00 zakim, next item
15:16:00 agendum 5. "CfC on CfCs; Work Statement Update -- Janina, Chaals, Paul" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:17:16 JS: Waiting for some language from Chaals and some staff work from Liam. Then the WG can run it through their processes. Bringing this in sync with parent group operating procedures and cleaning up out of date references
15:17:23 zakim, next item
15:17:23 agendum 6. "Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Janina" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:17:59 JS: I plan on informing the canvas-api list of the recent development with Chrome on implementation support.
15:18:26 zakim, next item
15:18:26 agendum 7. "Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:19:48 JS: Next steps are to approve publishing this as the final publication. Start a call for consensus.
15:19:53 http://www.w3.org/2015/03/alt-draft.html
15:20:20 DM: is this document in sync with what is in HTML 5.0?
15:21:15 JS: What we discovered is that this doc fully mirrored what was in HTML 5 and didn't see a point in that, so we created a stub document that would allow us to park it permanently. Then any edits we want in the spec would be filed as bugs on HTML
15:22:28 q?
15:22:30 Do we have a list of filed bugs?
15:22:33 JS: I will try to get the CfC out today
15:22:46 PC: Do we have a list of the filed bugs on alt?
15:22:52 JS: do we have them filed
15:22:54 SM: no
15:23:01 s/no/not against HTML5
15:23:27 PC: are we going to move them off the alt doc component, move them to HTML5 component...
15:23:47 LQ: Create bugs against 5.1.
15:24:01 PC: ED will be used to describe the changes you want, like a written proposal
15:24:37 JS: I think we are looking for a coherent read from top to bottom, hard to do because the spec is so big
15:24:51 zakim, next item
15:24:51 agendum 8. "TF's EME Bug -- Leonie http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0076.html" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:25:02 +Cynthia_Shelly
15:25:41 [+1
15:25:42 JS: there is a response from Media TF in response to the bug we filed. Leonie provided a nice summary. I think we are satisfied with response
15:26:05 q?
15:26:10 ...JF since the response was addressed to you, can you reply and thank them?
15:26:18 zakim, next item
15:26:18 agendum 9. "Tracking A11y Related Bugs -- Cynthia http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Mar/0075.html" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:26:22 JF: yes
15:27:19 JS: Cyns talked last week about how to track a11y bugs against IE. Reminded me that we don't have a formal process for doing such work for other UAs
15:28:13 ...We used to have Bug Triage. I don't expect we need to reconstitute that at this point. Not a lot of bugs left. If we see this change, we may consider it.
15:28:21 +1
15:28:41 ...should use the TF call to handle it now. We should have a Wiki page to track issues against user agents, tracking support and implementation.
15:28:46 +1
15:28:59 q?
15:29:06 +1
15:29:14 ...Liam, can you set that up if everyone agrees?
15:29:20 q+
15:29:25 LQ: anyone on the TF can create a wiki page
15:29:30 q+
15:29:32 ack jo
15:29:36 -ShaneM
15:30:55 JD: I like the idea, conceptually. However, I feel like editing a wiki is a lot more work than is needed. Bugzilla has a feature to track bugs in *other* bug trackers. Not sure how to set it up. Mozilla and Webkit all use an open bug tracking system. Not chrome though
15:31:06 ack bg
15:31:16 ack bk
15:31:53 s/*other* bug trackers/other Bugzilla instances/
15:31:55 BK: I think it would be valuable for developers (outside this group) to have access to this information, too.
15:32:08 s/open bug tracking system/Bugzilla/
15:32:17 ...what has worked out really well for HTML5 is caniuse.com
15:32:19 RRSAgent, make minutes
15:32:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-html-a11y-minutes.html joanie
15:32:20 [chaals leaves]
15:32:28 [+1 to bkardell]
15:32:29 ...very popular reference for developers.
15:32:38 -chaals
15:32:43 ack cy
15:33:00 CS: does bugzilla allow tracking against other databases?
15:33:09 JD: other bugzilla instances, not others AFAIK
15:33:15 q?
15:33:27 zakim, what is the code?
15:33:27 the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ShaneM
15:33:33 +1 for a caniuse for accessibility
15:33:34 +ShaneM
15:33:37 s/an Bugzilla/Bugzilla/
15:33:58 s/all use/both use/
15:34:04 q+
15:34:15 ack m
15:34:29 RRSAgent, make minutes
15:34:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-html-a11y-minutes.html joanie
15:34:47 Q+
15:34:56 MarkS I can definitely reach out to them
15:34:59 ack jf
15:35:27 JF: I reached out to caniuse.com a few years ago. they said they would be interested, but they would need someone to provide the entire dataset.
15:36:24 q+ to mention Apple's radar tracker automatically tracking
15:36:27 ...at CSUN a couple years ago, we attempted to do this and while it got off to a great start, it lost steam
15:36:40 CS: I'm hoping webdriver work will help with that.
15:36:53 s/webdriver/our web driver
15:37:24 q-
15:37:27 JS: can we start with a wiki page? Liam?
15:37:32 LQ: yes
15:39:15 agenda?
15:39:36