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15:59:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 76244
15:59:08 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
15:59:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Interest Group Teleconference
15:59:09 <trackbot> Date: 01 April 2015
15:59:23 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, code?
15:59:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 76244 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), elf-pavlik
15:59:30 <AnnB> chair: Ann Basssetti
15:59:49 <lehawes> lehawes has joined #socialIG
16:00:04 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:00:04 <Zakim> I notice T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM has restarted
16:00:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ann, ??P26
16:00:20 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, ??P26 is me
16:00:20 <Zakim> +elf-pavlik; got it
16:00:48 <AnnB> agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/2015-04-01
16:00:54 <elf-pavlik> Lynn, code 76244
16:01:08 <Zakim> + +1.978.238.aaaa
16:01:26 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, aaaa is lehawes
16:01:27 <Zakim> +lehawes; got it
16:02:06 <Zakim> + +1.541.410.aabb
16:02:37 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, aabb is  Lloyd_Fassett
16:02:37 <Zakim> +Lloyd_Fassett; got it
16:02:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:03:00 <Lynn> Zakim, ipcaller is me
16:03:00 <Zakim> +Lynn; got it
16:03:25 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett: i change my contract and may need to give up on some IG responsibilities
16:03:41 <elf-pavlik> ... I still will contribute to Profiles work, especially about people's work
16:03:56 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:03:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ann, elf-pavlik, lehawes, Lloyd_Fassett, Lynn
16:04:18 <AdamB> AdamB has joined #socialig
16:04:27 <elf-pavlik> http://daha.co.uk
16:04:27 <lehawes> Congrats on the new contract, Lloyd! Bad news from us, but great for you. Hope you can stay involved with the IG at some level.
16:05:52 <Lynn> oops, my call dropped, i will join again
16:05:59 <Zakim> -Lynn
16:06:01 <AnnB> darn Lynn
16:06:02 <elf-pavlik> scribe: elf-pavlik
16:06:08 <elf-pavlik> scribenick: elf-pavlik
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16:06:37 <elf-pavlik> topic: Approval of Minutes of 4 March 2015 Telecons
16:06:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:06:47 <elf-pavlik> http://www.w3.org/2015/03/04-socialig-minutes.html
16:06:49 <Lynn> Zakim, ipcaller is me
16:06:50 <Zakim> +Lynn; got it
16:07:14 <Zakim> + +1.313.594.aacc
16:07:31 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, aacc is EdK
16:07:32 <Zakim> +EdK; got it
16:07:46 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:07:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ann, elf-pavlik, lehawes, Lloyd_Fassett, Lynn, EdK
16:08:16 <elf-pavlik> AnnB, PROPOSED accept minutes from March 4th
16:08:26 <elf-pavlik> RESOLVE: accepted minutes from March 4th
16:08:38 <elf-pavlik> topics: Introducing Lynn Foster
16:08:45 <elf-pavlik> topic: Introducing Lynn Foster
16:08:52 <lehawes> I concur on accepting minutes from March 4 meeting
16:09:28 <elf-pavlik> Lynn: in IT since 1980-sh mostly doing contract work and independent contracting
16:09:44 <elf-pavlik> ... i've don't a lot of modeling stuff, currently retired but working on Open Srouce software
16:10:06 <elf-pavlik> ... with my partner Bob Haugen developing Open Value Accounting software
16:10:12 <elf-pavlik> ... love modeling
16:10:42 <lehawes> Lynn: Sounds like you're a great fit for our group and initiative. Welcome!
16:11:22 <Lynn> Thanks!
16:12:14 <elf-pavlik> AnnB, luck to have you joined us
16:12:29 <elf-pavlik> ... we've been going for few months but now we actually get started
16:12:42 <elf-pavlik> ... we work in support for Social Working Group
16:12:54 <elf-pavlik> Lynn: I never participated in W3C groups before
16:13:30 <lehawes> AnnB: Geek whisperer? ;>)
16:13:34 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: WG has recommendation track to come up with standards for data model, api and federation
16:14:02 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:14:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ann, elf-pavlik, lehawes, Lloyd_Fassett, Lynn, EdK
16:14:06 <elf-pavlik> AdamB, hi o/
16:14:37 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: Lynn any chance you will join us for next face2face? https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-05-04
16:14:45 <elf-pavlik> Lynn: very unlikely because of travel
16:15:23 <lehawes> Lynn: Where are you in WI? I grew up in Whitewater.
16:15:41 <Lynn> I'm near La Farge, SW Driftless area
16:16:03 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: Jason from xAPI not on a call, but we'll wait with introtuction for when he joins our call
16:16:07 <lehawes> Lynn: Cool. Have heard of it, but never been there.
16:16:20 <elf-pavlik> topic: New Teleconference / Meeting time?
16:16:38 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: rhiaro, very active in WG, asked if we could change telecon time
16:16:53 <AnnB>      https://doodle.com/3iy3kwegq2pnmngd
16:16:59 <elf-pavlik> ... she created a pool to pick dates https://doodle.com/3iy3kwegq2pnmngd
16:17:42 <elf-pavlik> ... challange starts to find time convienient for Europe and west coast americas
16:18:22 <elf-pavlik> ...  Lloyd_Fassett hopefully it will work for you on a west coast
16:19:12 <elf-pavlik> elf-pavlik: maybe we can try to do it in 3 min right now?
16:19:19 <elf-pavlik> http://doodle.com/3iy3kwegq2pnmngd
16:19:58 <elf-pavlik> topic: Use Case TF
16:20:11 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: looks like the most important thing we can do now
16:20:29 <elf-pavlik> ... WG has 90 User Stories and needs our help to clarify many of them
16:20:47 <elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Sorting_user_stories
16:21:34 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: we agreed that as IG we will start with stories staring with those which have Minor Objections
16:21:39 <lehawes> q+
16:21:42 <elf-pavlik> ... and help clarifying those objections
16:22:20 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: lehawes sent out email that everyone addopts a story and starts with helping to clarify objections
16:22:22 <elf-pavlik> ack lehawes
16:22:33 <elf-pavlik> lehawes: exactly AnnB
16:22:42 <elf-pavlik> ... elf already started reaching out to people from one story
16:22:59 <elf-pavlik> ... I reached out to people with objections about group stories
16:23:22 <elf-pavlik> ... i will explaint this story as an example of what you said about wording issues
16:23:57 <elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#Groups
16:24:09 <elf-pavlik> lehawes: Kevin objected that someone can delete the whole group
16:25:03 <elf-pavlik> ... I proposed adding certain new working clarify this feature
16:25:11 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: I didn't have time this week to get to this
16:25:20 <elf-pavlik> ... new to github and excited about it
16:26:06 <elf-pavlik> lehawes, don't worry so far just elf and I picked stories and started working on them
16:26:20 <elf-pavlik> https://github.com/w3c-social/soc-ucr/issues/3
16:27:11 <Lynn> You can add labels to your issue in github
16:27:51 <elf-pavlik> lehawes: one can just assign oneself to story you work on
16:28:25 <Zakim> + +1.314.777.aadd
16:28:37 <AdamB> zakim, .aadd is me
16:28:37 <Zakim> sorry, AdamB, I do not recognize a party named '.aadd'
16:28:49 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, aadd is AdamB
16:28:49 <Zakim> +AdamB; got it
16:29:24 <lehawes> Please do add yourself to github, choose a user story to work on, and create the issue. The actual work of resolving the issue by contacting objectors and conversing with them does NOT take that long!
16:29:57 <lehawes> It's something you can do in small chunks of free time. :>)
16:30:37 <AdamB> i have an account
16:30:45 <elf-pavlik> AdamB, your handle?
16:31:00 <AdamB> aboyet@gmail.com
16:31:30 <AdamB> aboyet
16:31:31 <AdamB> try that
16:31:40 <elf-pavlik> AdamB, https://github.com/aboyet
16:32:03 <AdamB> yep
16:32:27 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: sorting out accounts etc. one but now we need to get going on those use cases
16:32:35 <elf-pavlik> lehawes: yes, we just need to do it!
16:32:49 <elf-pavlik> topic: Vocabulary TF
16:32:56 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: several different angles on this
16:33:10 <elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Vocabulary_TF#Mapping_API_User_Stories_to_Vocabulary_terms
16:33:40 <elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Vocabulary_TF/Mapping_API_User_Stories_to_Vocabulary_terms
16:33:54 <lehawes> elf-pavlik: I just accepted your github organization invitation and updated the "Groups" issue by assigning it to myself and labeling it as a "User Story". Thanks!
16:36:19 <AnnB> q?
16:39:42 <AnnB> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Sorting_user_stories#Entirely_Positive
16:39:56 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: one of issues may relate to overwhelming number of stories - 90
16:40:47 <elf-pavlik> ... i put a table there and put emphasis on main action
16:40:56 <elf-pavlik> ... maybe we can add colum and add vocabulary term there
16:41:09 <lehawes> AnnB: did you get feedback on your table from anyone in the WG? They will be the main consumers.
16:41:17 <AnnB> no
16:41:22 <AnnB> I should ask again
16:42:21 <elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#User_posts_a_note
16:42:32 <lehawes> q+
16:45:09 <AdamB> q?
16:46:13 <EdK> q+
16:47:55 <AdamB> ack lehawes
16:48:22 <AdamB> ack Edk
16:48:56 <AnnB> lehawes:  making sure we're referencing Activity Streams 2.0 terms
16:49:22 <AnnB> elf-pavlik: yes, that's what I'm referencing with as:<term> links
16:49:29 <elf-pavlik> ISSUE: does friend == two way follow?
16:49:29 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-3 - Does friend == two way follow?.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/Social/InterestGroup/track/issues/3/edit>.
16:49:56 <AnnB> elf-pavlik: ... <explanation of how vocabulary works>
16:50:47 <AnnB> ... he extracted terms from User Story 2.2:  person, note, follow, post  (an action), edit <action>, delete <action>
16:51:37 <AnnB> EdK: asked the question about is "friend" really a 2-way follow?
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16:53:43 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett: I miss Link Data perspective to it
16:53:53 <elf-pavlik> ... looks like we don't have vocabulary to talk about some interactions
16:54:10 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: that reminds me a question I had for aspargous
16:54:21 <elf-pavlik> ... we find Demand but in english I would use Request
16:54:33 <elf-pavlik> ... Demand sounds very demanding
16:54:47 <elf-pavlik> Lynn: I see it like in economic terms supply / demand
16:54:56 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: if we have term called Request
16:55:39 <elf-pavlik> Lynn: we could look for better term
16:58:25 <AnnB> Everyone:
16:58:34 <AnnB> 1. fill out doodle poll .. need better time
16:58:59 <lehawes> No new business from me. Just encourage everyone to pick a user story with minor objections and work to overcome those with the people who raised them.
16:59:01 <AnnB> 2. select user story that has minor objections ... help resolve
16:59:21 <AnnB> 3. help extract vocabulary from user stories
16:59:23 <elf-pavlik> elf-pavlik: will send out email about two step process for extracting terms 1) extract (someone) 2) veryfing (someone else)
17:01:10 <elf-pavlik> AnnB: thanks everybody, welcome once again Lynn
17:01:18 <elf-pavlik> ... let's get the work done this week
17:01:25 <lehawes> Thanks everyone! Have a good week.
17:01:26 <Zakim> -EdK
17:01:29 <Zakim> -AdamB
17:01:30 <Zakim> -Lloyd_Fassett
17:01:33 <Zakim> -Lynn
17:01:35 <AnnB> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:01:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/01-socialig-minutes.html AnnB
17:01:39 <Zakim> -lehawes
17:01:50 <AnnB> trackbot, end meeting
17:01:50 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:01:50 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ann, elf-pavlik, +1.978.238.aaaa, lehawes, +1.541.410.aabb, Lloyd_Fassett, Lynn, +1.313.594.aacc, EdK, +1.314.777.aadd, AdamB
17:01:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:01:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/01-socialig-minutes.html trackbot
17:01:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:01:59 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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17:03:08 <elf-pavlik> RRSAgent, make records public
17:03:25 <elf-pavlik> RRSAgent, bye
17:03:25 <RRSAgent> I see no action items