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15:23:12 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:23:12 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 37 minutes
15:28:55 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets:Chaohai Ding ,
15:30:41 <Lisa_Seeman>  Chair:Lisa_Seeman
15:30:42 <Lisa_Seeman> 
15:30:44 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda: this
15:30:45 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of agenda, new items, FTF
15:30:47 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of actions,techniques
15:30:48 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  simple language topic paper
15:30:50 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  issue papers: Gathering User Preferences and Numbers and the Web
15:30:51 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
15:52:43 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
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16:02:38 <janina> zakim, call janina-mobile
16:02:38 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
16:02:39 <Zakim> +Janina
16:02:45 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P25 is JohnR
16:02:46 <Zakim> +JohnR; got it
16:02:52 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, who is here
16:02:53 <Zakim> Susann_Keohane, you need to end that query with '?'
16:03:01 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, who is here?
16:03:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, JohnR, Susann_Keohane, Janina
16:03:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see Susann_Keohane, Mike_Pluke, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
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16:03:38 <janina> I'm going to appear to be on IRC, but actually will be away from the computer for about 40 minutes
16:03:47 <Mike_Pluke> zakim is telling me that the 2642 code "is not valid" - any ideas?
16:04:24 <Lisa_Seeman> Mike do you need a "#"?
16:04:33 <Mike_Pluke> I did that
16:04:52 <Lisa_Seeman> just try again
16:04:58 <Zakim> +Mary_Jo_Mueller
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16:05:34 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P3 is Mike
16:05:34 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
16:05:49 <Zakim> -Mike
16:05:51 <debra_ruh> Hello everyone,  Debra Ruh joining
16:06:07 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran
16:06:35 <Zakim> +??P7
16:06:43 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, aaaa is Debra_Ruh
16:06:43 <Zakim> +Debra_Ruh; got it
16:06:45 <Zakim> -Tony_Doran
16:07:08 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P7 is Mike
16:07:08 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
16:07:13 <Zakim> -Mike
16:08:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:08:44 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran
16:09:26 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: Susann_Keohane
16:09:34 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:10:28 <Susann_Keohane> I'm getting back feedback on the phone
16:10:49 <Tony_Doran> line is awful for me too
16:11:06 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: any new agenda topics
16:11:09 <Lisa_Seeman> sorry tony
16:11:32 <Tony_Doran> I hear an echo with feedback
16:11:54 <Tony_Doran> nope
16:12:34 <Zakim> -Lisa_Seeman
16:12:46 <Tony_Doran> for me too
16:13:34 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman
16:13:55 <Zakim> +??P10
16:14:05 <Tony_Doran> Now I get feedback on Debra :(
16:14:09 <MichaelC> ack me
16:14:21 <Mike_Pluke> IMy audio problems must be computer performance related - I will need to reboot my computer and re-enter the call in a few minutes!!
16:14:39 <Tony_Doran> It's like you're being followed by a dalek with a cold
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16:14:50 <MichaelC> zakim, mute ipcaller
16:14:50 <Zakim> [IPcaller] should now be muted
16:15:02 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:15:46 <Lisa_Seeman> http://asi-soft.com/?q=en/content/able-include
16:15:47 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: asking Michael on guidance inviting people to the face to face
16:16:49 <MichaelC> noise
16:16:59 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: chairs are allow to invite people to the face to face
16:17:04 <Zakim> +ayelet_s
16:17:21 <Zakim> -JohnR
16:17:31 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: as a topic of expertise
16:17:46 <Susann_Keohane> MicahelC: remind the invited guest of the patent policy
16:18:00 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: if they want to share their knowledge then we are open to that
16:18:27 <JohnRochford_> Sorry, I had to drop off.  It got too noisy here and I can't mute.
16:18:37 <Susann_Keohane> MicahelC: if they have something concrete to contribution then it is reasonable to invite them to speak in a very agenda appropriate manner
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16:19:05 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: for ex: here is a problem we were working to solve with our solution vs a sales pitch
16:19:17 <Lisa_Seeman> action: Lisa and Niel make detailed schedule for FTF and then invite if needed
16:19:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-81 - And niel make detailed schedule for ftf and then invite if needed [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-03-30].
16:19:30 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: I will make a detailed schedule for the face to face
16:20:02 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: will share the schedule with Neil as the host so he can create security passes and such
16:20:18 <Zakim> +??P11
16:20:31 <JohnRochford_> I am reading the IRC scribing
16:20:49 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P11 is Mike_Pluke
16:20:49 <Zakim> +Mike_Pluke; got it
16:21:44 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: created an action item for creating the f2f schedule
16:22:15 <MichaelC> zakim, mute Janina
16:22:15 <Zakim> Janina should now be muted
16:22:30 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:22:55 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: we want to have 2 editors draft (1) techniques and (2) issue papers
16:23:48 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: what is the status of the techniques? Editors draft is still an internals document. We are not saying it's ready for outside world
16:24:01 <JohnRochford_> I just realized Michael or Lisa can mute me. I will call back in now.
16:24:23 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Susann how mature is the aging techniques
16:24:29 <Zakim> +??P0
16:24:59 <JohnRochford_> Please mute me
16:25:01 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P0 is JohnR
16:25:01 <Zakim> +JohnR; got it
16:25:13 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, mute  JohnR
16:25:13 <Zakim> JohnR should now be muted
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16:26:50 <JohnRochford_> I suggest we assume that as a baseline
16:26:52 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:27:14 <Susann_Keohane> Susann: I went through and reviewed existing techniques and added aging to where it's applicable
16:27:26 <Susann_Keohane> Susann: add a new technique on rapid and direct feedback
16:27:59 <Susann_Keohane> Susann: what about high contrast, large font? those were in the User research for aging. do we add these as techniques?
16:28:19 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Do we include these techniques? or requirement A or AA?
16:28:37 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, unmute  JohnR
16:28:37 <Zakim> JohnR should no longer be muted
16:29:16 <Susann_Keohane> JohnR: we should assume the physical disabilities are the baseline and we shouldn't have to worry about what level
16:29:54 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: AAA rarely required. Most people require AA.
16:30:24 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, mute  JohnR
16:30:24 <Zakim> JohnR should now be muted
16:31:17 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: cognitive and physical cross over especially in aging
16:31:36 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:31:37 <MichaelC> ack j
16:31:41 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
16:31:46 <MichaelC> zakim, unmute janina
16:31:46 <Zakim> Janina should no longer be muted
16:32:39 <Susann_Keohane> Janina: do not worry the level the WCAG. lay out the what's technique that's needed for cognitive
16:32:54 <Susann_Keohane> Janina: do not worry about gap analysis
16:33:26 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim,  mute  Janina
16:33:26 <Zakim> Janina should now be muted
16:33:46 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: so we should include everything and do not worry if it's already in WCAG
16:33:49 <Mike_Pluke> +1
16:33:56 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: do all agree?
16:34:01 <Susann_Keohane> I agree
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16:35:27 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: do folks need more time before Lisa reviews for editors draft
16:36:10 <MichaelC> ack me
16:36:25 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: what is needed for an editors draft
16:36:53 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: I can setup the shell and publish it to the appropriate branch
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16:38:07 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:38:13 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: I will pull in techniques delivered into github
16:38:32 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis_Issue_Papers
16:38:48 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: we have the issues pages linked to from the wiki
16:39:04 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: do we want to put them into github document
16:39:18 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: I would like we would want to move everything to github
16:39:31 <JohnRochford> Please mute me
16:39:46 <Susann_Keohane> Rich: in the form of a special notification or note?
16:39:49 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim,  mute  JohnR
16:39:49 <Zakim> JohnR was already muted, Lisa_Seeman
16:40:12 <Susann_Keohane> MichaelC: you would want all information produced by the group to be in github. It will be easier to edit in the long term
16:40:37 <Susann_Keohane> MicahelC: if they are intended for publication should be in github
16:40:55 <Susann_Keohane> MicahelC: if its just for the group for tracking then it doesn't need to go into github
16:41:17 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: conclusion will go into github. Does the whole discussion need to be in github
16:41:38 <Susann_Keohane> Rich: I think we need to produce a document in github and produce a more formal publication
16:41:51 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: does anyone disagree?
16:41:58 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:43:56 <JohnRochford> Yes
16:44:30 <JohnRochford> Should go in Git
16:44:35 <Susann_Keohane> RESOLUTION: Issue papers should be a more formal publication
16:44:49 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis_Issue_Papers
16:45:01 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: suggest issue paper that we would like to see in the first draft?
16:45:27 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: we have not addressed attention and distraction
16:45:46 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: would anyone want to write an issue paper? Attention in mobile?
16:46:06 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Identifying when a user needs help is another issue paper but it's more advance
16:46:19 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: what issues papers are really important that we have not addressed?
16:46:33 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Attention and Distractions?
16:46:56 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: I will write to the group to see if anyone will sign up to write it
16:47:01 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:47:13 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: we have interesting ones we want to review
16:47:26 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Numbers_and_the_Web
16:47:33 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: Neil and EA paper
16:47:47 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: as you can see they have identified solutions
16:48:01 <JohnRochford> No
16:48:14 <Susann_Keohane> s/have/haven't
16:48:32 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: does anyone have possible solutions
16:48:48 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:48:50 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: we should identify solutions and test them
16:49:00 <JohnRochford> Yes, I am working on user testing
16:49:04 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: we should have a good brainstorming session to develop ideas
16:50:05 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: let's try and brainstorm maybein the f2f
16:50:10 <Tony_Doran> q+
16:51:14 <Susann_Keohane> Tony: for an industry stand point, how hard numbers and sums are marked up
16:51:28 <Susann_Keohane> Tony: some will use MathML which is great for JAWS
16:51:43 <Susann_Keohane> Tony: when you representing a number or basic equation to not use an image
16:52:01 <Susann_Keohane> Tony: this should be consider as a recommendaiton
16:52:24 <Susann_Keohane> s/recommendaiton/ recommendation
16:52:56 <Susann_Keohane> RIch: if you highlighted and spoke the equation, overall consumption went up 10%
16:53:20 <Susann_Keohane> Rich: moving to digital math with that capability you will see an incredible jump in comprehension
16:54:02 <Susann_Keohane> Tony: current there is limitation with MathML
16:54:16 <Susann_Keohane> Tony: with syncing what is read
16:55:27 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: the research is posted, did it get to the user research page?
16:55:47 <JohnRochford> I don't know. I will have to look
16:57:06 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: possibly replace part of the equation with words
16:57:41 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: you would want to summarize them
16:58:09 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: remove or replace math sections with words or summary and associate things
16:58:19 <Zakim> -JohnR
16:58:40 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: nearly at the end of the hour
16:59:00 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: any other item to cover in next 2 minutes
16:59:21 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: new publications coming soon
17:00:09 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:00:12 <Susann_Keohane> Lisa: looking for anyone interested in writing upmethodology on how we do gap analysis for the f2f
17:00:28 <janina> zakim, unmute me
17:00:28 <Zakim> Janina should no longer be muted
17:00:31 <Zakim> -Mary_Jo_Mueller
17:00:32 <Zakim> -Susann_Keohane
17:00:33 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, make logs public
17:00:35 <MichaelC> ack me
17:00:41 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:00:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/23-coga-minutes.html Susann_Keohane
17:00:52 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, please part
17:00:52 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Lisa_Seeman, Susann_Keohane, Janina, JohnR, Mary_Jo_Mueller, +1.804.749.aaaa, Mike, Tony_Doran, Debra_Ruh, [IPcaller], Michael_Cooper,
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17:01:04 <Susann_Keohane> rrsagent, please part
17:01:04 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/23-coga-actions.rdf :
17:01:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Lisa and Niel make detailed schedule for FTF and then invite if needed [1]
17:01:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/23-coga-irc#T16-19-17