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14:49:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
14:49:38 <trackbot> Date: 11 March 2015
14:49:43 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:49:48 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Mar/0006
14:49:59 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Mar/0006
14:50:08 <Steven> Regrets: Nick
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15:01:20 <Zakim> +??P31
15:01:27 <Steven> zakim, I am ?:
15:01:27 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not see a party named '?:'
15:01:42 <Steven> zakim, I am ?
15:01:42 <Zakim> +Steven; got it
15:01:50 <Zakim> +ebruchez
15:03:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:03:48 <alain> Zakim, I am [IPcaller]
15:03:48 <Zakim> ok, alain, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
15:08:46 <Steven> Topic: Meeting time for next three weeks
15:08:46 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Mar/0005
15:09:03 <Steven> Steven: Sorry for spotting so late the daylight savings.
15:09:33 <Steven> ... call is an hour earlier in Europe until the last weekend in March
15:09:54 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-1993: Analyse which events should also go to dialog
15:09:54 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Mar/0000.html
15:10:29 <Steven> Erik: I had a few things to discuss.
15:11:02 <Steven> ... DOMFocusIn and Out, which the spec mentions can be dispatched to group switch and repeat. We also have an xforms-fous event
15:11:15 <Steven> s/fous/focus/
15:11:52 <Steven> ... xforms-focus is an action event.
15:12:19 <Steven> ... As for the DOM specs, they seem to be for tracking the life-cycle of focus
15:13:24 <Steven> ... XForms implies that they can be dispatched to group switch and repeat, but I don't know why. Our implementation
15:14:29 <Steven> ... when switching focus we send DOM-focus events to controls, but not to group etc. But they bubble, so those elements still get to see them.
15:15:59 <Steven> ... I don't think XForms says much about it, but they do mention the events, so I think there is something missing in the spec about them.
15:16:20 <Steven> Steven: What should it say?
15:16:30 <Steven> Erik: I don't know, that's the problem.
15:16:46 <Steven> ... especially since those events have been deprecated.
15:18:00 <Steven> ... Focus events to grouping controls is useful, but I don't think there is any spec that defines them.
15:18:39 <Steven> ... One thing we can do is specify the grouping control behaviour.
15:18:55 <Steven> Steven: With the DOMFocus events or the xforms-foux events
15:19:11 <Steven> s/foux events/focus events?/
15:19:59 <Steven> Erik: We could move to the new UI events in HTML
15:22:45 <Steven> ... I don't want to add new functionality, but more make sure the grouping elements get a consistent handling.
15:23:28 <Steven> Alain: I implement DOMFocus events, but I haven';t tested them on dialog
15:23:30 <Steven> s/;//
15:24:08 <Steven> Erik: We could ignore the problem, and just add dialog to the list of grouping elements
15:24:34 <Steven> ... not ideal, bnut people can figure out how to do it
15:24:52 <Steven> Steven: that sounds like the easiest solution
15:24:56 <Steven> Erik: Let's do that then
15:25:01 <Steven> Alain: Agree
15:25:30 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to add dialog to list of grouping elements that receive focus events
15:25:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2017 - Add dialog to list of grouping elements that receive focus events [on Erik Bruchez - due 2015-03-18].
15:26:14 <Steven> Erik: related
15:26:14 <ebruchez> ""10.3.6 The xforms-next and xforms-previous Events""
15:26:40 <Steven> "Related: in "10.3.6 The xforms-next and xforms-previous Events", there
15:26:40 <Steven> is mention of <group>, <repeat>, and <switch>. If this section remains
15:26:40 <Steven> as is, then <dialog> should be added to that list.
15:26:42 <Steven> "
15:27:02 <Steven> Erik: And there is the question of @navindex
15:28:32 <Steven> ACTION-1999?
15:28:32 <trackbot> ACTION-1999 -- Steven Pemberton to Delete navigation example section -- due 2015-01-28 -- OPEN
15:28:32 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/actions/1999
15:29:13 <Steven> Steven: So the problem is gone
15:29:36 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-1994: Make all exceptions into errors
15:29:36 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Mar/0004.html
15:30:53 <Steven> Steven: So ACTION-1994 is not finished yet, but on its way
15:30:53 <Steven> Erik: Right
15:31:47 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:31:55 <Steven> Steven: That's all we can do for today
15:32:13 <Steven> ... I'm hoping Nick can join us soon, because several topics depend on him.
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15:32:29 <Zakim> -ebruchez
15:32:31 <Zakim> -Steven
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15:32:33 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, ebruchez, [IPcaller]
15:32:42 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:33:13 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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