14:22:53 RRSAgent has joined #dap 14:22:53 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/03/05-dap-irc 14:22:55 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:22:55 Zakim has joined #dap 14:22:57 Zakim, this will be DAP 14:22:57 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 38 minutes 14:22:58 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 14:22:58 Date: 05 March 2015 14:35:54 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Mar/0000.html 14:36:08 topic dap agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Mar/0000.html dap 3279 14:36:25 Regrets+ Tobie_Langel 14:37:05 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 14:37:17 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 14:52:38 Andrey_Logvinov has joined #dap 14:55:52 mats has joined #dap 14:58:02 Present+ Mats_Wichmann 14:58:12 fjh_ has joined #dap 14:58:43 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 14:58:50 +??P0 14:59:15 Zakim, ??P0 is mats 14:59:15 +mats; got it 14:59:51 +[IPcaller] 14:59:54 zakim, ipcaller is me 14:59:54 +fjh; got it 15:00:26 +gmandyam 15:00:33 gmandyam has joined #dap 15:01:11 Present+ Giri_Mandyam 15:01:29 ScribeNick: fjh 15:01:44 + +7.831.233.aaaa 15:01:59 zakim, aaaa is Andrey_Logvinov 15:01:59 +Andrey_Logvinov; got it 15:02:09 Present+ Andrey_Logvinov 15:02:46 topic agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Mar/0000.html dap 3279 15:02:55 s/topic.*// 15:03:06 fjh has changed the topic to: agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Mar/0000.html dap 3279 15:03:19 anssik has joined #dap 15:03:27 Chrome plan on requiring secure origin for getUserMedia, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Feb/0045.html 15:04:10 +??P15 15:04:17 zakim, ??P15 is me 15:04:18 +anssik; got it 15:04:23 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 15:04:30 Andrey_Logvinov has joined #dap 15:04:51 gmandyam: had a call a few months regarding requiring secure origin as Chair of GeoLocation 15:05:20 … concern that only one browser vendor driving decision, need community decision, will have PING decision 15:05:30 s/decision/discussion in conjuction with IETF/ 15:05:50 Topic: Minutes approval 15:05:58 Approve minutes from 19 February 2015 15:05:59 proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 19 February 2015 are approved, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Feb/att-0040/minutes-2015-02-19.html 15:06:04 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 19 February 2015 are approved, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Feb/att-0040/minutes-2015-02-19.html 15:06:13 Topic: Battery API 15:06:24 fjh: thanks to Zhiqiang and Anssi for driving this forward 15:06:33 Tests and test descriptions updated, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Feb/0041.html (Zhiqiang) 15:06:33 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1623 15:06:34 https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1644 15:06:35 http://www.w3c-test.org/battery-status/battery-plugging-in-manual.html 15:06:44 the Chrome Android bug of missing an implementation of chargingTime and dischargingTime attributes has been fixed couple of days ago, see: https://crbug.com/401553 15:07:03 fjh: believe Zhiqiang checking that in next release 15:07:13 the Chrome Android bug of missing an implementation of chargingTime and dischargingTime attributes has been fixed couple of days ago, see: https://crbug.com/401553 15:07:19 The remaining implementation issues blocking CR exit are 15:07:19 * Chrome's lack of WebIDL compliance (http://crbug.com/43394) that causes the battery-interface-idlharness.html and battery-interface.html tests to fail. 15:07:19 * Mozilla's implementation update to match the latest spec (https://bugzil.la/1047119). 15:07:53 anssik: test suite is in good shape now 15:08:32 anssik: missing features have been fixed but the WebIDL compliance is still open 15:09:06 fjh: that has not been fixed 15:09:24 anssik: no, it is still in progress, still needs to be fixed, could work around as Dom suggested 15:09:36 … waiting on Firefox compliant implementation 15:10:07 fjh: firefox fix still in progress, yes 15:10:33 anssik: yes, on critical path, someone wanted to work on it in Jan, now has explicit permission to take this on 15:11:15 … mozilla has many volunteers that come and go, asked Marcos if he could do anything to make this move, said enough watching this bug to move it forward 15:11:48 increasing Cordova interest in Battery, contact Dom re sponsoring intern 15:12:03 Topic: HTML Media Capture 15:12:09 fjh: anything new 15:12:13 anssik: not yet 15:12:46 Topic: Proximity 15:12:46 waiting for implementations 15:13:26 anssik: also has dependency on Generic Sensor API work, as does Ambient Light, thus expect to revise when Generic Sensor APIs 15:13:44 fjh: so this means that we won’t move existing spec forward 15:16:08 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/#roadmap 15:16:17 "Will change based on the current work towards a generic pattern for sensor APIs" 15:17:28 fjh: I believe once we move to generic sensor API I expect this work can move forward fairly quickly, so not necessarily a problem to restart the spec 15:17:53 fjh: need to clarify DAP home page which implies, despite note, that proxmity and ambient light are now near completion 15:18:03 q? 15:18:26 anssik: how would we handle proces 15:19:30 fjh: go back to FPWD/WD etc since new start 15:22:46 fjh: expect that with implementer support and a generic sensor approach that makes sense I think we can move quickly through the process 15:22:58 … old or new won’t matter much as long as we don’t have re-work cycles, probably doing a LC won’t make much of a difference, need the review anyway 15:24:32 zakim, who is here? 15:24:32 On the phone I see mats, fjh, gmandyam, Andrey_Logvinov, anssik 15:24:34 On IRC I see Andrey_Logvinov, anssik, gmandyam, mats, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, richt, Josh_Soref, tobie, slightlyoff, mounir, trackbot 15:25:07 fjh: roughly it sounds like we might have a draft in April, maybe CR in the fall, REC next year, though we might be able to speed it up 15:25:21 Topic: Generic Sensor API 15:25:37 fjh: awaiting draft from Tobie 15:25:51 Topic: Wake Lock API 15:26:25 Andrey_Logvinov: in process of implementing it Yandex browser, will then upstream to Chromium 15:26:54 … plan to finish implementation in June then upstream 15:27:11 fjh: when shall we revise standard 15:27:26 Andrey_Logvinov: working off draft, so might find issues that might require revision of spec 15:28:09 fjh: so if implementation exposes problems good to know before standard work, if ok then we can move draft forward quickly 15:29:12 zakim, who is here? 15:29:12 On the phone I see mats, fjh, gmandyam, Andrey_Logvinov, anssik 15:29:14 On IRC I see Andrey_Logvinov, anssik, gmandyam, mats, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, richt, Josh_Soref, tobie, slightlyoff, mounir, trackbot 15:29:33 Topic: Adjourn 15:29:37 -mats 15:29:39 -Andrey_Logvinov 15:29:39 -fjh 15:29:43 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:29:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/05-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:30:22 s;topic dap agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Mar/0000.html dap 3279;; 15:30:37 s;topic agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Mar/0000.html dap 3279;; 15:30:39 -gmandyam 15:30:45 s;s/topic.*//;; 15:31:40 s/Tobie/Tobie who unfortunately had to take a break/ 15:32:48 s/revision of spec/revision of spec, otherwise we have a draft/ 15:32:52 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:32:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/05-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:33:18 fjh_ has joined #dap 15:33:57 zakim, who is here? 15:33:57 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:33:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/05-dap-minutes.html fjh_ 15:33:57 On the phone I see anssik 15:33:59 On IRC I see fjh_, anssik, mats, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, richt, Josh_Soref, tobie, slightlyoff, mounir, trackbot 15:34:05 Regrets+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 15:34:12 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:34:12 I have made the request to 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