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15:56:57 <fsasaki> meeting: ITS IG
15:56:59 <fsasaki> chair: felix
15:57:05 <fsasaki> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2015Mar/0000.html
15:57:15 <fsasaki> regrets: christian, Phil, Jörg, Olaf-Michael
15:57:26 <fsasaki> topic: roll call
15:57:30 <fsasaki> checking attendees ...
15:57:34 <fsasaki> present+ fsasaki
15:57:37 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
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16:00:03 <YvesS> present+ YvesS
16:01:05 <fsasaki> present+ david
16:02:56 <fsasaki> topic: action items
16:02:56 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/track/actions/open
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16:03:18 <fsasaki> topic: XLIFF - ITS mapping
16:03:35 <fsasaki> david: I have put most of mappings, the simple ones
16:03:48 <fsasaki> .. the most difficult ones are the ones there we have a mixture of ITS and XLIFF
16:03:51 <fsasaki> .. e.g. provenance
16:03:57 <fsasaki> .. I am now just working on provenance
16:04:01 <fsasaki> .. then mt confidence
16:04:12 <fsasaki> .. that is intertwined with translation candidates
16:04:33 <fsasaki> .. provenance is an issue since it is complicated with change tracking module
16:04:54 <fsasaki> .. then storage size, is profiled for size and restriction module
16:05:05 <fsasaki> .. frederik promised a profile, need to push him to do that
16:06:15 <fsasaki> felix: had a validation discusssion at xml prague
16:06:29 <fsasaki> .. david: not connected to ITS progress
16:06:55 <fsasaki> .. need to have yves, jirka, tom to have a look at schematron
16:07:31 <fsasaki> felix: anything to discuss here with yves, on the xliff mapping?
16:07:48 <fsasaki> david: on xliff TC there was a consensus not to have an inline attribute corresponding white space handling
16:08:01 <fsasaki> .. I think it is a good solution. But s.t. to be aware off
16:08:33 <fsasaki> .. inline handling of white space should be done using normalization + preserve space at structure level
16:08:40 <fsasaki> .. is the best for interop in xml tool stack
16:09:11 <fsasaki> .. xml:preserve space is not designed with inline elements
16:09:42 <fsasaki> s/inline/non wellformed spans/
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16:11:19 <fsasaki> david: for mt confidence and provenance, functionality is related to XLIFF modules
16:11:33 <fsasaki> .. we decided not to have new versions of modules unless correcting errors
16:11:52 <fsasaki> .. consensus within TC is to have profiles in ITS modules
16:12:04 <fsasaki> s/modules/module/
16:14:01 <fsasaki> .. mt confidence not difficult, will take time to elaborate. provenance is more difficult
16:14:16 <fsasaki> .. original change tracking module does not allow to change track inline elements
16:15:21 <fsasaki> david: main issue is not enough man power in the mapping
16:15:51 <fsasaki> yves: agree with all what david said
16:16:05 <fsasaki> ... lack of man power is an issue
16:16:52 <fsasaki> david: some solutions like local filter just need to be transferred to 2.1 spec, same for external resource + elements within text
16:17:26 <fsasaki> .. there may be an option not to go for everything, but I would not like the inconsistence if only a part of ITS is in xlff 2.1. we shoudl target complete coverage
16:17:56 <fsasaki> topic: freme project
16:18:02 <fsasaki> http://freme-project.eu/
16:25:44 <fsasaki> david: a good idea to concentrate on 2.1 in freme too
16:26:13 <fsasaki> felix: terminology, text analysis are good candidates
16:26:35 <fsasaki> david: both feature complete in 2.1 spec, but has not been reviewed so far, if you want to concentreate on these would help freme too
16:27:42 <fsasaki> felix: project is about implementation development
16:28:04 <fsasaki> .. vistaTEC is mainly implementing XLIFF
16:28:29 <fsasaki> david: would suggest that you ask to prioritze the categories that you need for freme
16:28:38 <fsasaki> .. ask XLIFF TC
16:30:45 <dF> I have two AOB items
16:31:09 <dF> 1) CAL track of FEISGILTT
16:31:36 <fsasaki> topic: Other topics as usual
16:32:11 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/mlw-metadata-us-impl/
16:33:31 <dF> 2) where to access Adobe jackrabbit implementation of ITS 2.0
16:33:51 <fsasaki> topic: CAL track of FEISGILTT
16:36:48 <fsasaki> not many numbers of submission for content analytics
16:37:05 <fsasaki> topic: jack rabbit implementation
16:37:51 <dF> https://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/ITS_Implementations#Apache_Jackrabbit_.28Adobe.29
16:38:53 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Deliverables#Deliverables_from_external_partners
16:39:05 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/images/5/5c/D1-subcontract-adobe.pdf
16:40:41 <fsasaki> topic: next call
16:40:43 <fsasaki> 23 march
16:42:00 <fsasaki> adjourned
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