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Steven zakim, room for 5 at 1400Z?
Zakim ok, Steven; conference Team_(forms)14:00Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) at 14:00Z for 60 minutes until 1500Z
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Steven zakim, I am ?
Zakim +Steven; got it
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alain Zakim, I am [IPcaller]
Zakim ok, alain, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
15: 03 Steven Chair: Steven
Steven Regrets: Philip, Nick
15: 04 Steven Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2015Feb/0013.html
Steven Topic: Finish off Section 11
Steven http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#XForms_Actions
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15: 05 Steven Steven: I have one more comment in section 11
Steven http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_dispatch_Element
15: 06 Steven "If a run-time element is
destroyed, then any delayed events targeted at that element are
removed from the delayed event queue. A run-time element may be
destroyed for a number of reasons, including shutdown of the
form or removal of form controls associated by a repeat with an
instance data node that is destroyed."
... 07 Steven Erik: dipatch requires identifying a target
Steven s/dip/disp/
15: 08 Steven Steven: Do we refer to "run-time elements being destroyed" anywhere else?
Steven Erik: 9.4.1
ebruchez "A repeat object is an implicitly generated group element that contains the set of run-time objects generated to represent the repeat template content for a single repeat item of the repeat collection. These run-time objects are form controls, XForms actions and other host language elements that correspond to markup content in the repeat template. If an item of the repeat collection is non-relevant, then the rendering approach used to
signify non-relev[CUT]
ebruchez applied to the user interface controls of the associated repeat object."
15: 09 Steven Steven: All "run-time objects".
Steven Erik: In the repeat section it talks about repeat objects.
15: 10 Steven Steven: What is the intention of this section?
Steven Erik: You can't dispatch to an element that doesn't exist.
15: 11 Steven ... like in a repeat
... 12 Steven Steven: An event is dispatched to the current
item in a repeat.
... 13 Steven Erik: The one at the time the action is run, not
when it is actually dispatched after a delay.
Steven ... so something might have changed
Steven Steven: In fact there may be no element at all when it comes to be dispatched.
Steven Erik: Yes.
Steven Steven: So you're happy with this wording?
15: 14 Steven Erik: You could change "element" to "object"
Steven Steven: I'm OK if you are with it.
15: 15 Steven Steven: Any more comments on 11?
Steven Erik: I still have to review section 11.
Steven Steven: So there may still be some to come.
Steven Topic: Section 12
Steven http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#Conformance
15: 16 Steven Alain: It only mentions XPath 1.0
Steven Steven: That was one of my comments too.
15: 18 Steven Steven: With a "Model processor"
do we need to mention JSON as external format?
... 19 Steven Erik: We don't want to make many features
options, right?
Steven Steven: Right.
Steven ... so a must a MUST or a SHOULD
15: 20 Steven Erik: Submission is a SHOULD
Steven Steven: I was surprised by that on reflection
15: 21 Steven ... ODF is a model processor,
because it has a different UI module
... 22 Steven Erik: Does it have submission?
Steven Steven: [looks] Yes, it does.
15: 23 Steven Steven: So should we make JSON a
MUST.
... 24 Steven Erik: Yes.
Steven Alain: Agree.
Steven ACTION: Steven to add JSON to specification of Model Processor
trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
trackbot Created ACTION-2011 - Add json to specification of model processor [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-25].
Steven Steven: And make submission a MUST as well?
Steven Erik: Right.
15: 25 Steven ACTION: Steven to make submission a MUST in Model Processor
trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
trackbot Created ACTION-2012 - Make submission a must in model processor [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-25].
Steven Erik: And we have a SHOULD for <group> in full. I don't see why.
Steven Steven: I'm in favour of making that a must.
Steven Erik: Agree.
Steven Alain: Me too
15: 26 Steven Erik: Same for toggle and switch
Steven Steven: Agree
15: 27 Steven Alain: Agree
Steven ACTION: Steven to make toggle, switch a MUST
trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
trackbot Created ACTION-2013 - Make toggle, switch a must [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-25].
15: 28 Steven Steven: It says only SHOULD for
https.... do we agree?
... 29 Steven Erik: We changed the examples to use https... if
anything there is more.
Steven Steven: It's sending the wrong message in a way.
15: 30 Steven Erik: You could imagine very restrictive examples where https is not needed,
Steven ... but for "full" I think we should require it.
15: 31 Steven Erik: It is ahrd to implement file: scheme
Steven s/ahrd/hard/
Steven Alain: We partially implement it, but the user has to allow it via a dialog
Steven ... but it is useful.
15: 32 Steven Erik: Webapps don't normally use the file store
Steven Steven: They use local data
15: 33 Steven Erik: I think https should be a
MUST
... 34 Steven Alain: Agree
Steven Erik: file: a MAY
Steven Alain: Agree
Steven ACTION: Steven to make https a MUST, file: a MAY
trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
trackbot Created ACTION-2014 - Make https a must, file: a may [on Steven Pemberton - due 2015-02-25].
15: 36 Steven Topic: AOB
Steven Steven: For next week we should review the rest of the spec, glossary, refs, and examples.
15: 37 Zakim -Steven
Zakim -[IPcaller]
Zakim Team_(forms)14:00Z has ended
Zakim Attendees were ebruchez, Steven, [IPcaller], Dimitris
Steven Steven: You're back home next week Erik?
Steven Erik: Yes
Steven Steven: OK, so call at regular time
Steven [ADJOURN]
Steven rrsagent, make minutes
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