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14:59:56 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:59:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:00:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:00:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:00:01 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Feb/0010.html
15:00:01 <trackbot> Date: 12 February 2015
15:00:07 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phllips
15:00:11 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:00:15 <aphillip> Regrets+ Felix
15:00:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:01:02 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:01:02 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:01:03 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:01:05 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has not yet started, aphillip
15:01:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, DennisTan, Steve_Atkin, Leandro, r12a, fantasai, koji, trackbot
15:01:23 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:01:23 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has not yet started, aphillip
15:01:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, DennisTan, Steve_Atkin, Leandro, r12a, fantasai, koji, trackbot
15:02:29 <r12a> zakim, this is i18n
15:02:29 <Zakim> ok, r12a; that matches I18N_WG()10:00AM
15:02:46 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
15:02:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see DennisTan, +1.813.410.aaaa, aphillip, Richard
15:02:47 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:02:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, DennisTan, Steve_Atkin, Leandro, r12a, fantasai, koji, trackbot
15:02:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see DennisTan, +1.813.410.aaaa, aphillip, Richard
15:02:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, DennisTan, Steve_Atkin, Leandro, r12a, fantasai, koji, trackbot
15:03:06 <Zakim> + +1.408.536.aabb
15:03:07 <aphillip> zakim, +1.813 is Steve_Atkin
15:03:07 <Zakim> +Steve_Atkin; got it
15:03:10 <r12a> zakim, dial richard-home
15:03:10 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:03:11 <Zakim> +koji
15:03:11 <Zakim> +Richard
15:03:22 <aphillip> zakim, +1.408 is Leandro
15:03:22 <Zakim> +Leandro; got it
15:03:57 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
15:03:57 <Zakim> 'richard' is ambiguous, r12a
15:04:38 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:05:13 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:05:21 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:05:40 <aphillip> action-113?
15:05:40 <trackbot> action-113 -- Richard Ishida to Work on tidying up Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming couple of months -- due 2015-02-05 -- OPEN
15:05:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/113
15:05:48 <aphillip> richard: done but for final prep
15:05:54 <aphillip> ... and a few summaries
15:06:01 <aphillip> ... sent email to Aharon asking for text
15:06:06 <aphillip> ... haven't heard back yet
15:06:11 <aphillip> ... did a lot of work on it
15:06:50 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/html-bidi-requirements/editme.html
15:06:54 <aphillip> addison: public review?
15:07:03 <aphillip> richard: no, just updating status
15:07:35 <aphillip> addison: all, look it over.
15:07:40 <aphillip> richard: tbds for missing stuff
15:07:50 <aphillip> ... added the google doc as an appendix
15:07:53 <aphillip> ... updated links
15:07:58 <aphillip> ... checked html quotes
15:08:01 <aphillip> ... should be close
15:09:04 <aphillip> action-363?
15:09:04 <trackbot> action-363 -- Addison Phillips to Follow up with membership on hackathon planning for (e.g.) iri/idn or encoding tests -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN
15:09:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/363
15:09:08 <aphillip> addison: will write something
15:09:12 <aphillip> action-364?
15:09:12 <trackbot> action-364 -- Richard Ishida to Document how "sticky" language negotiation is done in our pages as an article -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN
15:09:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/364
15:09:17 <aphillip> richard: in progress
15:11:19 <aphillip> action-399?
15:11:19 <trackbot> action-399 -- Dennis Tan Tanaka to Update article "an introduction to multilingual web addresses" -- due 2015-02-12 -- OPEN
15:11:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/399
15:11:27 <aphillip> dennis: working on it
15:13:10 <aphillip> action: richard: send source text for "intro to web addresses" to Dennis
15:13:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-401 - Send source text for "intro to web addresses" to dennis [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-02-19].
15:13:39 <aphillip> action-400??
15:13:39 <trackbot> action-400 -- Addison Phillips to Follow up with new es-402 owner for status of es i18n work -- due 2015-02-12 -- OPEN
15:13:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/400
15:13:46 <aphillip> close action-400
15:13:46 <trackbot> Closed action-400.
15:14:08 <aphillip> addison: wrote to rick waldron
15:14:09 <Zakim> -Richard
15:14:14 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
15:14:14 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
15:14:15 <Zakim> -Richard
15:14:21 <r12a> zakim, dial richard-home
15:14:21 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:14:22 <Zakim> +Richard
15:14:23 <aphillip> ... will write again for further status
15:14:29 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:14:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:15:37 <aphillip> Topic: RADAR and Active Work Review
15:15:45 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
15:16:46 <aphillip> Steve: looked over linked data patch
15:16:51 <aphillip> ... schedule for upcoming call
15:16:58 <aphillip> addison: add to next week's agenda
15:17:19 <aphillip> Steve: will shepherd Latin Layout Requirements
15:17:35 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
15:20:02 <aphillip>  Topic: qa-no-language needs update
15:20:09 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Feb/0008.html
15:20:35 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-no-language-alt
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15:20:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:21:14 <aphillip> richard: would like to publish and make live, unless someone has comments?
15:21:24 <aphillip> ... basically I brought it up to date
15:21:35 <aphillip> ... pushed XML and XML Schema out to "advanced topics"
15:21:56 <aphillip> ... said that lang couldn't be null, but you can in HTML5 so now fixed
15:22:17 <aphillip> objections to publishing?
15:22:21 <aphillip> (none noted)
15:22:33 <aphillip> action: richard: make new version of qa-no-language live
15:22:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-402 - Make new version of qa-no-language live [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-02-19].
15:22:49 <aphillip> Topic: XLST 3.0 I18N-ISSUE-394
15:22:57 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27615
15:27:33 <aphillip> action: addison: write to xslt folks asking if bug 27615 is likely to be addressed, e.g. do they have plans for a future edition
15:27:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-403 - Write to xslt folks asking if bug 27615 is likely to be addressed, e.g. do they have plans for a future edition [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-02-19].
15:28:01 <aphillip> Topic: Charmod-Norm edits
15:28:08 <aphillip> http://www.inter-locale.com/w3c/charmod-norm-20150207.html#unicodeControls
15:29:29 <aphillip> addison: made these edits
15:34:18 <aphillip> addison: Applications -> specification
15:34:43 <aphillip> richard: applications too. much of the pain is when doing e.g. in page search
15:34:50 <aphillip> ... may have different case for identifiers
15:35:09 <aphillip> ... IDN bans these
15:35:59 <aphillip> addison: stringprep removes them?
15:36:19 <aphillip> ... need to add a section to searching block
15:36:59 <aphillip> richard: pass by unicode
15:37:46 <aphillip> dennis: utr46 discusses a few of these
15:38:10 <aphillip> ... idna 2003 v. 2008 different for ZWJ, ZWNJ, etc.
15:38:23 <aphillip> ... can check if they are valid in IDNA
15:38:48 <aphillip> action: dennis: check on zwj and friends in IDNA so that we can document in charmod-norm
15:38:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-404 - Check on zwj and friends in idna so that we can document in charmod-norm [on Dennis Tan Tanaka - due 2015-02-19].
15:40:00 <aphillip> addison: will word smith, add requirement for string searching
15:40:27 <aphillip> Topic: LTLI updated draft?
15:40:35 <aphillip> http://www.inter-locale.com/w3c/ltli/LTLI.html
15:42:01 <aphillip> addison: further edits of the top section with definitions
15:42:09 <aphillip> ... would like to publish new WD soon-ish
15:42:34 <aphillip> Topic: Bopomofo/zhuyin accent positioning
15:42:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:43:11 <aphillip> Topic: Indic script initial cap
15:43:41 <aphillip> richard: sent response (see on public-i18n-indic list) asking more question of somnath
15:43:43 <somnath> q+
15:43:49 <aphillip> ack somnath
15:44:43 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-indic/2015JanMar/0020.html
15:45:00 <somnath> need few days time for resolving feedback from richard. early next week podsible
15:45:19 <aphillip> thanks somnath
15:45:44 <aphillip> Topic: time zone thread on www-international@
15:46:11 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2015JanMar/0058.html
15:46:56 <aphillip> addison: in this thread cameron jones suggests using bcp47 language tags for time zone
15:52:59 <aphillip>  Topic: AOB?
15:53:15 <aphillip> koji: at last tpac
15:53:37 <aphillip> ... notes for justification
15:54:51 <aphillip> richard: is this about where to put notes about justification and that sort of thing?
15:55:01 <Leandro> Need to sign out - til next week
15:55:05 <aphillip> ... fantasai said it would be nice to have a wiki about that
15:55:05 <Zakim> -Leandro
15:55:20 <aphillip> richard: we have two things
15:55:29 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Improving_typography_on_the_Web_and_in_eBooks
15:55:52 <aphillip> ... first a wiki page pointing to requirements, specs, and tests at w3c
15:56:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:56:07 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Improving_typography_on_the_Web_and_in_eBooks#Alignment_and_justification
15:56:22 <aphillip> richard: that's tying existing documents
15:56:24 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Layout_links
15:56:28 <aphillip> ... more recently I made the above
15:56:34 <aphillip> ... which is waiting to be filled in, really
15:56:44 <aphillip> ... parking space for information about typography
15:57:02 <aphillip> ... so two articles about justification in arabic currently
15:57:10 <aphillip> ... three if you count urdu
15:57:19 <aphillip> ... if anyone on this call or reading minutes have additional information
15:57:29 <aphillip> ... but layout of latin or non-latin scripts
15:57:40 <aphillip> ... want to make sure they are good/reliable articles
15:57:46 <aphillip> ... but welcome input
15:58:15 <aphillip> koji: wasn't clear from tpac minutes what kind of articles were discussed
15:58:20 <aphillip> richard: this is more recent
15:59:21 <aphillip> koji: what kind of documents you were discussing?
15:59:31 <aphillip> addison: need to refresh our memories
15:59:31 <Zakim> -DennisTan
15:59:32 <DennisTan> I have to drop off. Thank you and good bye
16:00:06 <aphillip> richard: created first as a "checklist" for layout requirements
16:00:17 <aphillip> ... offshoot from visit to china
16:00:29 <aphillip> ... second wiki I did because of ebook discussion
16:00:46 <aphillip> ... been meaning to do something
16:00:51 <aphillip> ... not a response to tpac
16:02:08 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:02:24 <Zakim> -Steve_Atkin
16:02:25 <Zakim> -aphillip
16:02:27 <Zakim> -koji
16:02:28 <Zakim> -Richard
16:02:28 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended
16:02:28 <Zakim> Attendees were DennisTan, +1.813.410.aaaa, aphillip, Richard, +1.408.536.aabb, Steve_Atkin, koji, Leandro
16:02:58 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Steve, Dennis, Koji, Leandro, Somnath (via IRC)
16:03:02 <aphillip> Regrets+ JcK
16:03:07 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:03:29 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
16:04:20 <aphillip> s/podsible/possible/
16:04:26 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:04:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:04:57 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:04:57 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:04:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: send source text for "intro to web addresses" to Dennis [1]
16:04:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-irc#T15-13-10
16:04:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: make new version of qa-no-language live [2]
16:04:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-irc#T15-22-33
16:04:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to xslt folks asking if bug 27615 is likely to be addressed, e.g. do they have plans for a future edition [3]
16:04:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-irc#T15-27-33
16:04:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: dennis: check on zwj and friends in IDNA so that we can document in charmod-norm [4]
16:04:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-i18n-irc#T15-38-48
16:04:59 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:04:59 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n