15:35:10 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 15:35:10 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-wai-wcag-irc 15:35:12 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:35:12 Zakim has joined #wai-wcag 15:35:14 Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG 15:35:14 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 25 minutes 15:35:15 Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 15:35:15 Date: 10 February 2015 15:35:39 zakim, agenda? 15:35:39 I see nothing on the agenda 15:36:05 Chair: AWK 15:36:43 agenda+ Publication update and approval to publish 15:36:56 Joshue108 has joined #wai-wcag 15:37:05 agenda+ Charter update 15:37:18 agenda+ List update – Using Call for Consensus 15:37:41 agenda+ Survey on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Tutorials_and_more/ 15:39:04 Regrets: Katie, Marc, Kathy 15:43:41 botie, inform Joshue the meeting kicked up, also agenda 15:43:41 will do 15:44:00 botie, inform AWK the meeting kicked up, also agenda 15:44:00 will do 15:44:12 botie, inform Kenny that he is very diligent 15:44:12 will do 15:47:48 zakim, agenda? 15:47:48 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda: 15:47:49 1. Publication update and approval to publish [from Kenny] 15:47:49 2. Charter update [from Kenny] 15:47:49 3. List update – Using Call for Consensus [from Kenny] 15:47:49 4. Survey on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Tutorials_and_more/ [from Kenny] 15:47:59 Chair: Joshue/AWK 15:57:06 cstrobbe has joined #wai-wcag 15:57:09 WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has now started 15:57:16 +[IPcaller] 15:57:19 zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue 15:57:19 +Joshue; got it 15:59:43 regrets+ KathyW, MarcJ, KatieHS 16:00:23 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 16:01:12 +??P10 16:01:31 +[IPcaller] 16:01:41 zakim, [P10] is David 16:01:41 sorry, Joshue108, I do not recognize a party named '[P10]' 16:01:43 zakim, IPcaller is Loretta 16:01:44 +Loretta; got it 16:01:48 zakim, [??P10] is David 16:01:48 sorry, Joshue108, I do not recognize a party named '[??P10]' 16:01:54 zakim, ??P10 is David 16:01:54 +David; got it 16:02:07 zakim, call EricE-Skype 16:02:07 ok, yatil; the call is being made 16:02:08 +EricE 16:02:10 +cstrobbe 16:02:11 zakim, nick yatil is EricE 16:02:12 ok, yatil, I now associate you with EricE 16:02:19 zakim, [IPcaller] is Loretta 16:02:19 sorry, Joshue108, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' 16:02:20 zakim, mute me 16:02:21 EricE should now be muted 16:02:25 zakim, mute me 16:02:25 zakim, call kenny-mobile 16:02:25 Kenny, at 2015-02-10 15:44 UTC, Joshue108 said: he is very diligent 16:02:26 cstrobbe should now be muted 16:02:26 ok, Kenny; the call is being made 16:02:27 zakim, [+IPcaller] is Loretta 16:02:27 sorry, Joshue108, I do not recognize a party named '[+IPcaller]' 16:02:27 +Kenny 16:02:35 David has joined #wai-wcag 16:06:18 regrets+ MoeK 16:06:19 Scribe: 16:06:28 Scribe: David 16:06:43 zakim, tqke up item 1 16:06:43 I don't understand 'tqke up item 1', David 16:06:44 zakim, who is on the phone? 16:06:44 On the phone I see Joshue, David, Loretta, cstrobbe (muted), EricE (muted), Kenny (muted) 16:06:55 zakim, take up item 1 16:06:55 agendum 1. "Publication update and approval to publish" taken up [from Kenny] 16:08:32 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Tutorials_and_more/results 16:09:14 zakim, next item 16:09:14 agendum 2. "Charter update" taken up [from Kenny] 16:09:36 zakim, take up item 1 16:09:36 agendum 1. "Publication update and approval to publish" taken up [from Kenny] 16:10:37 Resolution: WG approves to Publish images and form tutorials 16:10:53 ack me 16:11:37 AWK has joined #wai-wcag 16:11:37 AWK, at 2015-02-10 15:44 UTC, Kenny said: the meeting kicked up, also agenda 16:11:39 https://w3c.github.io/wai-tutorials/images/complex/ 16:11:49 Eric: Appreciated all the feedback, I think we also have longdesc solution 16:11:56 q? 16:13:09 DavidMcD: Can I get some clarification on the approaches? 16:13:43 ERIC: Longdesc, recommending a link near the image... 16:14:26 EROC: LD suport FF right click view description, but not notification of a Longdesc 16:14:46 s/EROC/Eric 16:15:30 -Joshue 16:15:51 ERIC: Longdesc extension, same with Firefox, what was lacking is mobile platforms 16:16:01 +[IPcaller] 16:16:08 zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue 16:16:08 +Joshue; got it 16:16:27 DavidMcD: Do you have a matrix on a test page with SR and browser behaviours? 16:16:40 David: Do you have a test page for LongDesc 16:16:59 ERIC: We polled people we know who use it 16:17:40 https://w3c.github.io/wai-tutorials/images/complex/ 16:18:08 JOC: So this longdesc work is good to go now? 16:18:39 David: I haven't reviewed the Longdesc situation, since its new 16:18:52 EE: Yes, feedback has been positive. 16:19:18 marcjohlic has joined #wai-wcag 16:19:58 q? 16:20:10 ERIC: like MathML, Longdesc is working ... 16:20:11 +q 16:20:18 ack me 16:20:37 -q to ask about the status of the Table tutorial schedule 16:20:42 +q to ask about the status of the Table tutorial schedule 16:22:09 ack me 16:22:09 Joshue, you wanted to ask about the status of the Table tutorial schedule 16:22:22 David: Oongdesc doesn't work in any iOS or Macbook 16:22:41 zakim, mute me 16:22:41 EricE should now be muted 16:22:50 ERIC: will make note of that 16:23:00 s/Ongdesc/Longdewc 16:23:13 s/Longdewc/Longdesc 16:23:29 zakim, next item 16:23:29 agendum 2. "Charter update" taken up [from Kenny] 16:23:47 zakim, who is on the phone? 16:23:47 On the phone I see David, Loretta, cstrobbe (muted), EricE (muted), Kenny (muted), Joshue 16:24:35 This is the most recent draft, right? http://www.w3.org/2013/04/draft-wcag-charter 16:25:09 zakim, next item 16:25:09 agendum 3. "List update – Using Call for Consensus" taken up [from Kenny] 16:25:39 zakim, agenda? 16:25:39 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda: 16:25:41 3. List update – Using Call for Consensus [from Kenny] 16:25:41 4. Survey on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Tutorials_and_more/ [from Kenny] 16:26:52 Joshue: Michael says update on charter in a couple of days 16:27:00 +??P27 16:27:09 zakim, take up item 3 16:27:09 agendum 3. "List update – Using Call for Consensus" taken up [from Kenny] 16:27:21 i/Joshue: Michael/Topic: Charter update/ 16:28:19 Michael: Charter is with the director, expect it soon 16:29:05 Josh: Will use list a lot more, in future 16:30:28 Micael: We can use list for a call for consensus, that is part of the plan. lots of preedent. Subject line CALL FOR CONSESUS, time window for assent or object, some use 2 work days of 7 calendar days 16:30:59 Michael: Some back with telecom, some don't... we'll document a proposal and take to the group 16:31:16 s/Micael/Michael 16:32:17 s/CONSESUS/CONSENSUS 16:32:59 Michael: Changing the way the list works, have spoken with those who might be removed, some emails not valid, haven't removed people yet but might happen in a few days 16:33:27 Michael: Andrew would like to update that that will be when we use the list more 16:33:33 zakim, agenda? 16:33:33 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda: 16:33:35 3. List update – Using Call for Consensus [from Kenny] 16:33:35 4. Survey on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Tutorials_and_more/ [from Kenny] 16:33:38 q? 16:34:00 DavidMcD: Will we be dropping our number of calls etc? 16:34:23 Michael: want to change this to a one hour call in near future 16:35:15 Michael: calls are valuable for group cohesion but not good for wordsmithing, calls should only be used for situations where we can't use other modalities 16:35:36 ack me 16:36:24 David: Survey items 16:36:27 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Tutorials_and_more/results 16:36:52 RESOLUTION: Accept LC2952 as proposed 16:37:35 agenda+ Actions 16:37:46 action-2952, response approved 16:37:53 action-2952 response approved 16:38:44 action-301 16:38:44 action-301 -- David MacDonald to Look at lc2952 -- due 2014-12-02 -- OPEN 16:38:44 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/301 16:38:55 action-301 discussed on call 16:39:02 action-301, discussed on call 16:40:01 action-301: Discussed on call response approved 10th Feb 2015 16:40:01 Notes added to action-301 Look at lc2952. 16:40:12 close action-301 16:40:12 Closed action-301. 16:40:15 jamesn has joined #wai-wcag 16:41:02 action-9: David to write up something and put response on Github 16:41:02 Notes added to action-9 Draft advisory technique, \"Opening new windows and tabs only when best from an accessibility perspective\". 16:41:04 +James_Nurthen 16:41:34 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open?sort=owner 16:42:32 I need to leave early. 16:42:48 close action-302 16:42:48 Closed action-302. 16:43:27 close action-300 16:43:27 Closed action-300. 16:43:42 action-287 16:43:42 action-287 -- David MacDonald to Follow-up on aside technique -- due 2014-10-21 -- OPEN 16:43:42 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/287 16:44:01 close action 287 16:44:08 close action-287 16:44:08 Closed action-287. 16:44:16 ACTION-131? 16:44:16 ACTION-131 -- James Nurthen to Document technique starting from http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/CSS/Using_an_invisible_header_text_in_the_sidebar_navigation, using comments in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20010623misc/results#xnavhead -- due 2011-07-07 -- OPEN 16:44:17 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/131 16:44:24 action-131 16:44:24 action-131 -- James Nurthen to Document technique starting from http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/CSS/Using_an_invisible_header_text_in_the_sidebar_navigation, using comments in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20010623misc/results#xnavhead -- due 2011-07-07 -- OPEN 16:44:25 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/131 16:45:09 action-131: James doesn't think this is valuable 16:45:09 Notes added to action-131 Document technique starting from http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/CSS/Using_an_invisible_header_text_in_the_sidebar_navigation, using comments in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20010623misc/results#xnavhead. 16:46:42 James: I took action 131 but I don't want hidden text headings, shouldn't do it anymore, labels better on nav 16:49:05 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20010623misc/results#xnavhead 16:51:34 James: will close my action 131 16:51:38 JOSH: OK 16:53:35 regrets+ JonA 16:55:24 action-296 16:55:24 action-296 -- Joshue O Connor to Ping the cog a11y tf for feedback on https://www.w3.org/wai/gl/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/g162 -- due 2014-11-11 -- OPEN 16:55:24 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/296 16:56:38 action-190 16:56:38 action-190 -- James Nurthen to Run tests on alt=¨ ¨ to input whether we should remove mention of it from F30 -- due 2013-01-24 -- OPEN 16:56:38 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/190 16:56:48 I just completed https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/168 16:57:51 http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/F30.html 17:01:28 +AWK 17:02:11 lc-2723 17:03:40 http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/H67.html 17:04:17 http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H67.html 17:04:17 Version of WCAG WAYYYYY back h67, but test technique needs to be fixed 17:04:18 https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/2723?cid=2723 17:05:03 Check that alt attribute is present and empty or contains only whitespace (but not  ) 17:05:15 action-190 17:05:15 action-190 -- James Nurthen to Run tests on alt=¨ ¨ to input whether we should remove mention of it from F30 -- due 2013-01-24 -- OPEN 17:05:15 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/190 17:05:21 action-190: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/2723?cid=2723 17:05:21 Notes added to action-190 Run tests on alt=¨ ¨ to input whether we should remove mention of it from F30. 17:05:23 change to Check that alt attribute is present and empty 17:05:34 action-190: This relates more to H67 17:05:34 Notes added to action-190 Run tests on alt=¨ ¨ to input whether we should remove mention of it from F30. 17:05:45 I am fine with that being editorial 17:07:09 David: yes editorial 17:08:18 -Loretta 17:08:27 zakim, unmute me 17:08:27 cstrobbe should no longer be muted 17:14:57 action-287 17:14:57 action-287 -- David MacDonald to Follow-up on aside technique -- due 2014-10-21 -- CLOSED 17:14:57 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/287 17:15:07 action-287: Completed 17:15:07 Notes added to action-287 Follow-up on aside technique. 17:15:12 close, action-287 17:15:17 close action-287 17:15:17 Closed action-287. 17:16:14 action-168 17:16:14 action-168 -- David MacDonald to Look at understanding 1.4.5 to add an explanation that anything that can be zoomed passes... -- due 2012-03-15 -- OPEN 17:16:14 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/168 17:16:39 close action-168 17:16:39 Closed action-168. 17:17:31 issue-204? 17:17:31 Sorry, but issue-204 does not exist. 17:17:33 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/204 17:19:08 http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/Techniques/working-examples/SCR37/default.htm 17:20:36 zakim, mute me 17:20:36 cstrobbe should now be muted 17:25:21 close action-99 17:25:21 Closed action-99. 17:25:55 -James_Nurthen 17:26:51 -Joshue 17:26:52 -AWK 17:26:52 -Kenny 17:26:54 -Michael_Cooper 17:26:55 Zakim, list attendees 17:26:55 As of this point the attendees have been Joshue, Loretta, David, EricE, cstrobbe, Kenny, Michael_Cooper, James_Nurthen, AWK 17:26:57 -cstrobbe 17:26:57 zakim, drop me 17:26:57 EricE is being disconnected 17:26:59 -EricE 17:27:05 zakim, bye 17:27:05 leaving. 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