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17:58:44 T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM has not yet started, dret 17:58:45 On IRC I see RRSAgent, dret, bblfish, AdamB, harry, tantek, eprodrom, hhalpin, cwebber2, nicolagreco, AnnB, tilgovi, barnabywalters, jaensen_, danbri, shepazu, JakeHart, mattl, 17:58:45 ... bret, ben_thatmust, ShaneHudson, wilkie, Loqi, melvster1, dwhly, KevinMarks, Arnaud, nickstenn, bigbluehat, rhiaro, oshepherd, rektide, Tsyesika, ben_thatmustbeme, kylewm, 17:58:45 ... aaronpk, trackbot, sandro, wseltzer 17:58:57 dialing in 17:59:10 dret, are you on the call yet? 17:59:30 jasnell has joined #social 17:59:53 arnaud, i just re-called, but it still feels lonely. 18:00:13 zakim, this is socl 18:00:13 ok, Arnaud; that matches T&S_SOCWG()1:00PM 18:00:22 hmm .. me too .. hearing nothing 18:00:33 +??P0 18:00:34 +WSeltzer 18:00:35 annb, good i am not the only one! 18:00:36 zakim, ??p0 is me 18:00:36 +tantek; got it 18:00:42 +Sandro 18:00:53 oh .. just heard Tantek 18:00:54 +??P7 18:01:01 just dialed in 18:01:11 Zakim: ??p7 is cwebber2 18:01:14 zakim, who is here? 18:01:14 On the phone I see AdamB, aaronpk, +1.510.206.aabb, Ann, tantek, WSeltzer, Sandro, ??P7 18:01:17 On IRC I see jasnell, Zakim, RRSAgent, dret, bblfish, AdamB, harry, tantek, eprodrom, hhalpin, cwebber2, AnnB, tilgovi, barnabywalters, jaensen_, danbri, shepazu, JakeHart, mattl, 18:01:17 ... bret, ben_thatmust, ShaneHudson, wilkie, Loqi, melvster1, dwhly, KevinMarks, Arnaud, nickstenn, bigbluehat, rhiaro, oshepherd, rektide, Tsyesika, ben_thatmustbeme, kylewm, 18:01:17 ... aaronpk, trackbot, sandro, wseltzer 18:01:20 zakim, ??p7 is cwebber2 18:01:21 +Arnaud 18:01:21 +cwebber2; got it 18:01:27 zakim, +1.510.206.aabb is me 18:01:27 +dret; got it 18:01:28 thx tantek 18:01:37 np 18:02:48 Zakim, AnnB has Ann 18:02:48 sorry, tantek, I do not recognize a party named 'AnnB' 18:03:03 Zakim, Ann has AnnB 18:03:03 +AnnB; got it 18:03:06 hi 18:03:40 in philosophy conference on the Hermeneutics of the Social Web. 18:03:57 bblfish, URL? 18:04:35 zakim, who's on the phone? 18:04:35 On the phone I see AdamB, aaronpk, dret, Ann, tantek, WSeltzer, Sandro, cwebber2, Arnaud 18:04:37 Ann has AnnB 18:04:54 elf-pavlik has joined #social 18:04:59 not sure, but it's part of this series http://digital-studies.org/wp/en/ 18:05:13 scribe: dret 18:05:15 Zakim, what's the code? 18:05:15 the conference code is 7625 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), hhalpin 18:05:18 chair: Arnaud 18:05:25 agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-02-10 18:05:53 Topic: Admin 18:06:09 +[IPcaller] 18:06:12 +eprodrom 18:06:18 +[IPcaller.a] 18:06:21 PROPOSED: Approval of Minutes of 3 February 2015 Teleconf https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-02-03-minutes 18:06:22 IPcaller.a is hhalpin 18:06:29 nobody objects the minutes of last week's call: the minutes are approved. 18:06:30 +1 18:06:30 Zakim, IPcaller.a is hhalpin 18:06:30 +hhalpin; got it 18:06:32 RESOLVED: Approval of Minutes of 3 February 2015 Teleconf https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-02-03-minutes 18:06:45 Zakim, who's on the phone? 18:06:45 On the phone I see AdamB, aaronpk, dret, Ann, tantek, WSeltzer, Sandro, cwebber2, Arnaud, elf-pavlik, eprodrom, hhalpin 18:06:48 Ann has AnnB 18:06:49 +Lloyd_Fassett 18:07:05 Yes 18:07:11 zakim, mute me 18:07:11 tantek should now be muted 18:07:15 arnaud cannot join next week, chairing RDF data shapes meeting. evan will chair instead 18:07:19 Lloyd_Fassett has joined #social 18:07:40 q+ 18:07:43 no ACTIONS marked as in review. 18:07:45 https://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/open 18:07:51 ack eprodrom 18:07:54 anybody wants to declare victory on an open ACTION? 18:08:32 action 28 18:08:35 Note that Jeff is working on Weibo, we'll stay in touch on Yandex 18:08:37 action 28? 18:08:44 action-28 18:08:44 action-28 -- James Snell to Prepare working draft for publication based on http://jasnell.github.io/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/activitystreams2-vocabulary.html on Friday Jan 16, 2105 -- due 2015-01-20 -- CLOSED 18:08:44 http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/28 18:08:45 evan is declaring defeat on the russian/chinese social networks connection. anybody can help out with the action? 18:09:04 AnnB - Chaals can help with Russian, W3C China and Japan with Asian networks 18:09:04 oops mistyped 18:09:26 annb is willing to send a note, evan happily accepts. 18:09:27 http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/32 18:09:33 action-32 18:09:33 action-32 -- Evan Prodromou to Examine apis for yandex, vkontakte, sina weibo, tencent, and/or renren -- due 2015-01-28 -- OPEN 18:09:33 http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/32 18:09:55 Note I did send a note to Chaals (Yandex) and Huawei, no response. 18:10:35 annb wants to better understand if there are non-english tools/services out there that we should learn about. starting by sending out a note to help getting some contacts. 18:11:10 https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Patterns 18:12:05 harry: 18:12:06 +1 18:12:11 action-14 18:12:11 action-14 -- Harry Halpin to Set up json-ld context for namespace -- due 2014-12-02 -- OPEN 18:12:11 http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/14 18:12:12 even explains: we're looking for features of APIs that we haven't considered yet. annb willing to help with ACTION-32 18:12:24 action-38? 18:12:24 action-38 -- Evan Prodromou to Convert social api requirements to 2-10 user stories of 3-5 sentences each -- due 2015-02-10 -- OPEN 18:12:24 http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/38 18:12:38 thanks eprodrom! 18:12:52 I will ask whomever (weibo, tencent, yandex, etc) I can think of .. could they look at the APIs already described, and see if their products have any other patterns not already described 18:12:53 eprodrom++ 18:12:55 ACTION-38 can be markes as closed. 18:12:56 eprodrom has 3 karma 18:13:13 AnnB: perfect! 18:13:35 I'll cc: you on my query 18:13:36 https://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/pendingreview 18:13:37 looking at ISSUE now; one ISSUE is marked as pending review. 18:13:43 ISSUE-7 18:13:43 ISSUE-7 -- Are AS consumers required to understand the pre-JSON-LD syntax? -- pending review 18:13:43 http://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/7 18:13:53 ISSUE-7 is marked as "pending review" 18:14:08 looks like conversations happened in october 18:14:38 dret: we have to be clar what certain things mean when they show up in AS object 18:14:55 ... on one side we try to stay friendly to consumers on JSON-LD 18:15:18 ... on the other hand we dont want to require JSON-LD processing 18:15:36 Zakim, call harry-US 18:15:36 ok, hhalpin; the call is being made 18:15:38 +Harry 18:15:48 ... what do you do when you encounter something you dont know how to handle (as software application) 18:15:48 Oh that's cool 18:16:10 whaa 18:16:14 B-) 18:16:17 Zakim, call harry-US 18:16:17 ok, hhalpin; the call is being made 18:16:19 +Harry.a 18:16:22 ... we may neeed to state it more clearly 18:16:38 ... explain what AS object means for various consumers 18:16:39 zakim, who is being noisy? 18:16:39 I don't understand your question, tantek. 18:16:52 q? 18:16:59 zakim, drop harry-US 18:16:59 sorry, sandro, I do not see a party named 'harry-US' 18:17:02 zakim, drop harry 18:17:02 Harry is being disconnected 18:17:03 -Harry 18:17:25 there are multiple pre-JSON-LD syntaxes :) 18:17:26 -Harry.a 18:17:31 +hhalpin.a 18:17:33 harry, we're reaching your messaging system. 18:17:37 q+ 18:17:40 ... i plan to write longer explaination of issues we face and maybe post it on my blog 18:17:44 nicolagreco has joined #social 18:18:05 dret: it may not very well if we want to leave it open 18:18:05 q+ to say he expects implementation evidence to help determine that 18:18:11 ack hhalpin 18:18:20 +??P14 18:18:31 who just joined? 18:18:31 Zakim, ??P14 is me 18:18:31 +Tsyesika; got it 18:18:40 Zakim, mute me 18:18:40 Tsyesika should now be muted 18:18:48 harry quotes the charter saying that we do JSON-LD. 18:19:05 sorry, harry! 18:19:22 s/we do JSON-LD/we do JSON and maybe JSON-LD/ 18:19:28 harry says the charter says we do JSON, and if possible JSON-LD. 18:19:40 q+ 18:20:14 caseorganic has joined #social 18:20:28 ack tantek 18:20:30 tantek, you wanted to say he expects implementation evidence to help determine that 18:20:34 harry: JSON-LD saves namespacing problem in very graceful way 18:20:39 dromasca has joined #social 18:21:16 +dromasca 18:21:38 tantek points out the wide variety of syntaxes to choose from, including non-JSON. the charter gives us a first stake in the ground. what we must do is expressing the concepts in some syntax. 18:22:04 ack dret 18:22:11 tantek says we must first agree on conceps, and then we can decide on the syntax. 18:22:25 I wonder where json without json-ld would make sense 18:22:26 JSON is a good stake in the ground to express the concepts 18:22:42 if we don't settle on a standard and a wide variety of serializations are possible, will implementations be compatible? 18:22:44 there is no need for JSON or JSON-LD in practice to build these systems - as many of us have figured out 18:22:50 and deployed 18:23:20 can someone scribe when dret speaks? computer i use today has keyboard in it lang :( 18:23:27 it'll be ok 18:23:42 Note that schema.org has a large vocabulary and is a deployment success without requiring the RDF data model. 18:23:56 hhalpin: same with microformats 18:23:58 So I think it's premature at this point. 18:24:08 huge deployment - no strict RDF data model was needed 18:24:10 there may be more ISSUEs connected to ISSUE-7, i guess? 18:24:15 though it is possible to use it in an RDF-like way 18:24:46 +1 18:25:04 zakim, mute me 18:25:04 tantek should now be muted 18:25:17 Arnaud: let's not review issues unless there is no information 18:25:23 moving on to the glossary part of the agenda 18:25:29 -hhalpin.a 18:25:49 tantek: sounds good. but let's review all issues at the f2f 18:25:49 Arnaud: yes that is a good idea 18:25:52 +1 rhiaro 18:26:02 right rhiaro 18:26:16 I agree with that summary 18:26:17 elf-pavlik started collecting terms on the wiki. 18:26:21 namespacing doesn't matter if everyone agrees on one vocab right, like mf2 or schema.org - but as soon as someone wants to coin their own term in a decentralised way (maybe if they want to expand AS2 with a new content type) and describe it, the documentation for that should be some way discoverable, which is why namespacing is useful, JSON-LD or otherwise... as I understand, anyway 18:27:03 forgetting nitty gritty debates about whether linked data is any good, it boils down to discoverability of documentation 18:27:22 elf-pavlik is working on http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_Web_Glossary, any help greatly appreciated. 18:27:29 I made my comments in the mailing list 18:27:46 hhalpin: i think i added them to wiki page 18:27:56 rhiaro, I don't think namespaces (like URI bound) are necessary for experimental extension/expansion 18:28:03 thanks Arnaud ! 18:28:04 yep, I recommend we use terms the rest of the community uses rather than reinvent new ones 18:28:10 Thanks for starting Elf! 18:28:16 nobody volunteering to help with the glossary 18:28:24 next agenda item are the user stories. 18:28:57 last week agreed: develop user stories. evan created a first set of user stories. 18:29:00 tantek, is what people do with experimental microformats is add eg. an x- prefix? 18:29:00 seems like a good effort to me, but I'm worried I don't know what "standard" terminology is to contribute 18:29:11 q+ re: creating lists of stories where a story can appear on multiple lists 18:29:19 rhiaro - or a vendor prefix -vendor- 18:29:42 "The user stories are intended as the basis for a survey, to help people in the group understand the features others in the group find important or not-so-important. They do not constitute any kind of exhaustive list or agreement about what features are required by API candidates." 18:29:46 but if I see someone's x-newmf I don't know how to find out what that's for, even as a human, unless I maybe read their blog or about page or ask them on irc 18:29:47 note that such experimentation has been used with some success in CSS 18:29:48 tantek, rhiaro can we try to avoid double conversation? 18:29:59 goal of the user stories is not to define committed user stories, but more a list of stories people are interested in. they should give input to people putting forward proposals for the Social API. 18:30:08 bill-looby has joined #social 18:30:23 +[IPcaller] 18:31:31 tantek, ipcaller is bill-looby 18:31:37 evan will explain what he did, and then we can move forward after last week's incident around who edited what when and why and how. 18:32:05 evan put up a list of 10 user stories based on the requirements document we had. 18:32:27 oops, meant Zakim ! 18:32:37 thanks 18:32:59 evan says the stories were trying to make things very direct. after those went up, there was a bit of a scramble how they should be edited. 18:33:46 evan explains that now we put a name to the stories, to make it easier to track their origin. now we have 20-30 user stories. maybe we should take some time to review and edit them. 18:34:01 also pushes survey out 18:34:06 but I am ok with 1 week extension 18:34:13 for user story contributions 18:34:17 evan is concerned that we should keep time in mind as we go through this process. 18:34:21 q? 18:34:25 should we write proposal to extend 1 week 18:34:28 ack elf-pavlik 18:34:28 elf-pavlik, you wanted to discuss creating lists of stories where a story can appear on multiple lists 18:35:00 I for one am very impressed by the level of contributions to the user stories 18:35:15 I have some concerns, but I'll wait to queue to express them 18:35:16 PROPOSAL: extend collecting user stories for another week 18:35:19 tantek: agreed! 18:35:19 elf-pavlik is asking whether the call is extended for a week. arnaud says that it is so that we have a little bit more time. 18:35:23 +1 18:35:34 q+ 18:35:42 ack sandro 18:35:51 nobody objects to extending the user story collection for one more week. 18:36:14 q+ 18:36:19 sandro is wondering how the stories and the survey connect. 18:36:21 ack eprodrom 18:36:23 q+ re: creating lists of stories (one story can appear on multiple lists) 18:36:55 q+ to answer sandro questions about survey. +1/0/-1 for/neutral/against a user-story, and if +1, also optionally +intendtoimplement 18:37:27 evan says we should wait until the stories are in their final form before we add our feedback to them. they may still change. arnaud says that we should put our names there, but only when we're done changing the stories. 18:37:28 ack elf-pavlik 18:37:28 elf-pavlik, you wanted to discuss creating lists of stories (one story can appear on multiple lists) 18:37:30 q+ 18:37:33 https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#Social_Profiles 18:38:01 hey that's clever elf-pavlik 18:38:15 +1 on reaching out to other free software groups 18:38:17 elf-pavlik wants a story to be allowed to appear in multiple lists, because they may apply to various scenarios. 18:38:21 ack tantek 18:38:22 tantek, you wanted to answer sandro questions about survey. +1/0/-1 for/neutral/against a user-story, and if +1, also optionally +intendtoimplement 18:38:22 er 18:38:22 where's the story about making collections of stories? ;) 18:38:29 q- 18:38:31 federation etc projects working in this space 18:38:33 q+ to suggest -1 must be explained, eg "not important to me because..." vs "would end life on earth". 18:38:35 ack tantek 18:38:51 I can take on reaching out to those groups 18:39:14 tantek: good point! will do it like with https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#Voting_on_accepting_User_Stories 18:39:15 ack Lloyd_Fassett 18:39:19 zakim, mute me 18:39:19 tantek should now be muted 18:39:22 tantek says that before commenting on a story, you should also say whether you intent to implement a story in your system. 18:39:29 cwebber2, elf-pavlik can you do an action for that? 18:39:38 no, you don't vote from a process point of view :) 18:39:47 cwebber2: i did on IG tracker! 18:40:08 eprodrom: sure 18:40:10 zakim, unmute me 18:40:10 tantek should no longer be muted 18:40:11 q? 18:40:17 ack sandro 18:40:17 sandro, you wanted to suggest -1 must be explained, eg "not important to me because..." vs "would end life on earth". 18:40:21 elf-pavlik: oh, I don't know what that means for me then :) 18:40:25 lloyd is wondering whether IG people are supposed/allowed to vote; arnaud says that you can, but your vote is not binding for the WG. harry says that the process rules says that only WG people are allowed to vote. 18:40:37 also I don't know how to propose an action, I can look on the wiki 18:40:53 sandro asks that -1 votes on stories have an explanation. 18:41:03 cwebber2: http://www.w3.org/Social/InterestGroup/track/actions/1 18:41:15 elf-pavlik: oh okay :) 18:41:15 q+ 18:41:27 elf-pavlik: want to reach out to friendica, and I can reach out to diaspora? 18:41:34 ack AnnB 18:41:58 cwebber2: let's discuss it here right after this telecon? 18:42:02 q+ re: when to vote 18:42:03 annb is wondering if there's value to putting question marks to user stories; arnaud says that yes, we can do that. 18:42:10 elf-pavlik: sounds great 18:42:26 q+ to also say can use +0 - with question to capture Annb's use-case of a question 18:42:35 ack tantek 18:42:35 tantek, you wanted to discuss when to vote and to also say can use +0 - with question to capture Annb's use-case of a question 18:42:39 q+ 18:42:43 arnaud points to how the RDF data shapes WG is doing something similar; it may be a good example to look at (email sent yesterday). 18:43:12 Are we resolved? 18:43:17 tantek says it's important to not add opinions until we officially ask them to do so. please don't add votes now. 18:43:35 RESOLVED: extending deadline for collecting user stories for a week 18:43:38 tantek says to annb that a "?" could be a "0" and ask the question as a comment. 18:43:50 +1 to extending deadline 18:43:52 that idea (+0 with question) sounds better than using ?? 18:44:01 +1 to extending 18:44:09 +1 to extendeing 18:44:12 +1 to extending for a week 18:44:15 any objections to 1 week extension for collecting user stories? 18:44:17 +1 18:44:24 +1 18:44:28 +1 18:44:30 arnaud asks officially to extend the deadline by a week; no objection from anybody. 18:44:34 s/for a week/by a week/ 18:44:38 q+ 18:44:44 ack eprodrom 18:45:02 q+ 18:45:05 Zakim, unmute me 18:45:05 bill-looby should no longer be muted 18:45:16 +1 for 1 week extra (no more) 18:45:29 ack bill-looby 18:45:29 deadline extnded by 1 week. evan asks to not extend this deadline indefinitely, let's talk about it now instead of maybe extending it again. 18:45:49 we can freeze the page next week and start second page for eventual new stories 18:46:42 zakim, mute me 18:46:42 tantek should now be muted 18:47:05 q* 18:47:07 bill would like to get some feedback on story categories. 18:47:08 q+ 18:47:11 +1 to extending (late :)) 18:47:13 ack elf-pavlik 18:47:20 already resolved, but ;) 18:47:49 elf-pavlik wants a flat list of stories and then we can "link" to them from various lists, if we want to. 18:48:03 please keep the stories short too 18:48:17 +1 sorting stories via links 18:48:17 https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#Social_Profiles example of collection via links 18:48:34 evan wants to have a flat list as well, if we want to organize, then that should be overlayed and not hardcoded into the list of stories. 18:48:40 (or tags?) 18:49:16 rhiaro: can i use URI of section as tag? ;) 18:49:19 B-) 18:49:39 arnaud claims victory on the agenda item for user stories. 18:50:25 bill explains IBM connections (and i have a very very hard time understanding what he's saying). 18:50:42 bill-looby: can you speak little slower please? 18:50:45 sorry, but I'm not clear on what happened w bill-looby's suggestion to have some user stories about integration 18:51:17 AnnB: he can add them and then create section with link to group them 18:52:17 connections offers file sharing, wikis, activities for project management, and more things. it has an Atom-based API, it also supports AS. 18:52:38 -hhalpin 18:53:17 bill-looby: peopole can just post to connections and let it do all the socializing 18:53:47 IBM gets many requests for making integration easier. customers want to take a reference to an object in their system, post it to connections, and then have connections track all of the interactions around that object. 18:54:10 * annb, thanks for feeling for me! 18:55:21 bill-looby: most important 'building block' is "person" 18:55:31 ... and where their identity is stored 18:55:49 important building blocks are "abstract objects", with the object being stored anywhere, while the metadata is stored/managed somewhere else. 18:56:10 .... need to define how to track an object, compared to tracking person 18:56:36 ... plus, notion of "place" 18:56:39 (( i am officially giving up for this agenda item. ) 18:57:45 ... first integration for IBM was content mgmt sys with Connections 18:58:24 ... questions about which "side" supports likes, comments, follows .. etc 18:58:58 seems like connections mostly needs a robust model of identity and linking. 18:59:01 ... most requests beyond basic social are integrating between systems 18:59:07 q+ 18:59:25 these are some of the things that we are experiencing within Boeing as well 18:59:41 ack AnnB 18:59:46 arnaud asks bill to create a wiki page with some documentation or just links do existing documentation. 18:59:50 bill-looby: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Patterns 19:00:09 -tantek 19:00:20 bye I have to go! 19:00:32 annb points out that this is a classic enterprise scenario and very important in these kinds of settings. 19:00:41 Thanks dret ! 19:00:44 dret++ 19:00:46 Thanks Arnaud ! Good meeting. 19:00:46 dret has 1 karma 19:00:46 arnaud officially closes the call! 19:00:50 thanks dret! 19:00:52 -Lloyd_Fassett 19:00:53 Read the cases! 19:00:54 ciao! 19:00:55 thanks Arnaud 19:00:57 -AdamB 19:00:59