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15:55:41 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:55:41 <trackbot> Date: 10 February 2015
15:56:09 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Feb/0018.html
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15:59:05 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:59:14 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:59:14 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
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16:01:09 <paulc> Discussion items suggested by Mark: Bug 26776, Issue 22, Issue 19 and Issue 16
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16:02:31 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
16:02:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, +1.650.458.aaaa, ddorwin, ??P2, +1.408.536.aabb
16:02:33 <joesteele> Zakim, aabb is me
16:02:34 <Zakim> +joesteele; got it
16:02:47 <Zakim> +markw
16:03:16 <paulc> zakim, aaaa is pal
16:03:16 <Zakim> +pal; got it
16:03:29 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
16:03:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, pal, ddorwin, ??P2, joesteele, markw
16:03:41 <paulc> zakim, P2 is davide
16:03:41 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named 'P2'
16:03:54 <davide> zakim, ??P2 is me
16:03:54 <Zakim> +davide; got it
16:03:57 <paulc> zakim, ??P2 is davide
16:03:57 <Zakim> I already had ??P2 as davide, paulc
16:04:00 <davide> :)
16:04:04 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
16:04:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, pal, ddorwin, davide, joesteele, markw
16:04:30 <paulc> Discussion items suggested by Mark: Bug 26776, Issue 22, Issue 19 and Issue 16
16:04:42 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Feb/0018.html
16:06:14 <paulc> Topic: EME bugs and issues
16:06:28 <joesteele_> joesteele_ has joined #html-media
16:06:34 <paulc> Encrypted Media Extensions bugs:http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
16:06:36 <joesteele_> scribe: joesteele_
16:07:06 <paulc> EME GitHub issues: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues
16:07:10 <joesteele_> paulc: have all of the bugs been moved to Github issues?
16:07:18 <joesteele_> ddorwin: not yet -- bugs in both locations now
16:07:40 <paulc> Topic: Bug 26776
16:08:12 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776
16:08:24 <joesteele_> paulc: was there a specific reason to discuss?
16:08:47 <joesteele_> markw: this has been on the table for a long time
16:09:09 <paulc> See David's last comment: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776#c20
16:09:10 <joesteele_> paulc: david do you know what you want to do here?
16:09:21 <joesteele_> ddorwin: assigned to Jerry -- has not added a proposal yet
16:09:53 <joesteele_> ... cpearce has expressed a concern about the attribute, I thought it made sense
16:09:59 <joesteele_> ... still waiting for Jerrys action
16:10:02 <Zakim> +jdsmith
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16:10:43 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776
16:11:17 <joesteele_> jdsmith: this is definitely on my plate -- I think we need an event but have not gotten around to defining the proposal yet
16:11:35 <paulc> ACTION on jdsmith to make proposal for bug 26776
16:11:35 <trackbot> Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>.
16:11:40 <joesteele_> ... saw David has added acomment, but have not read yet
16:11:53 <paulc> ACTION: jdmith to make proposal for resolving bug 26776
16:11:53 <trackbot> Error finding 'jdmith'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>.
16:12:09 <paulc> ACTION: jdsmith to make proposal for resolving bug 26776
16:12:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Make proposal for resolving bug 26776 [on Jerry Smith - due 2015-02-17].
16:12:24 <joesteele_> paulc: when can it be done by?
16:12:39 <joesteele_> jdsmith: I will wrap it up by the 17th
16:13:06 <paulc> Discussion items suggested by Mark: Bug 26776, Issue 22, Issue 19 and Issue 16
16:13:17 <joesteele_> topic: Issue #22
16:13:35 <joesteele_> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/22
16:13:54 <joesteele_> paulc: where do we stand on this?
16:13:58 <paulc> Issue 22: Provide more guidance on the behavior of the keyStatuses attribute
16:14:26 <joesteele_> markw: this is one from previous discussions on downscaling and statuses -- still an open issue
16:14:56 <joesteele_> ... long post with lots of options to solve
16:15:07 <joesteele_> ... please review and give feedback
16:15:33 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/22#issuecomment-72681574
16:15:47 <joesteele_> paulc: do you have afavorite?
16:16:04 <joesteele_> markw: solution #3 is my prference. it is most straightforward
16:16:23 <joesteele_> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:16:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:16:35 <paulc> Mark wrote: "Solution 3 is pragmatic, addressing the presently known use-case in a straightforward manner. It has the advantage of simplicity at the expense flexibility for future use-cases or for varying definitions of "SD", "HD" and "UHD"."
16:16:45 <joesteele_> markw: this is very pragmatic version
16:16:49 <joesteele_> paulc: any comments?
16:17:03 <joesteele_> ddorwin: content dependent policy is a hack and insecure
16:17:22 <joesteele_> ... not supported by all CDMs or especially hardware CDMs
16:17:28 <joesteele_> ... think we have a solution
16:17:49 <joesteele_> markw: don't agree that this is a hack -- it is widely used
16:18:07 <joesteele_> ... the keyIDs approach would break this model and fix it at the wrong level
16:18:19 <joesteele_> ... this is the root of the disagreement
16:18:31 <joesteele_> ... whether these policies are appropriate at all
16:18:46 <joesteele_> q+
16:19:51 <joesteele_> joesteele_: I generally agree with Mark, I need to review his comments and davids and I will respond in the next few days
16:20:05 <joesteele_> ... think the fake IDs fix is at the wrong level
16:20:09 <joesteele_> topic: Issue 19
16:20:12 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/19
16:20:17 <joesteele_> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/19
16:20:23 <paulc> Ensure promises returned by methods are fulfilled before event handlers are executed
16:20:49 <joesteele_> markw: our devs are keen to know what the answer is here -- i.e. that the order is guaranteed
16:20:51 <joesteele_> q+
16:20:56 <ddorwin> q+
16:21:10 <paulc> ack joe
16:22:41 <joesteele_> joesteele_: just read Chris's comment. I think I need to discuss internally a bit more, but should have an answer before next meeting
16:22:49 <paulc> ack dd
16:23:08 <joesteele_> ddorwin: there is a related one like this -- may be a misunderstanding about how to resolve the promise
16:23:14 <joesteele_> ... even for the indiv case
16:23:20 <joesteele_> ... will clarify in the bug
16:23:38 <joesteele_> ... I think there is general agreement we need to resolve this with the promise resolving first
16:23:44 <jdsmith> q+
16:23:47 <joesteele_> ... proposal should be drafted soon
16:23:54 <paulc> ack jd
16:24:11 <joesteele_> jdsmith: we reviewed as well that the ordering is that promises should be resolved first
16:24:17 <joesteele_> ... no objection
16:24:35 <joesteele_> topic: Issue 16
16:24:38 <joesteele_> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/16
16:24:56 <paulc> Review close() and remove() logic and behavior for persistent-* sessions
16:25:28 <joesteele_> markw: we should address this as a priority, now that we have a consistent persistent session we should fully document how it works
16:25:57 <joesteele_> ... it should be possible but not guaranteed that if the session is closed involuntarily that the key release is still sent
16:26:51 <joesteele_> ddorwin: there a bunch of related bugs to the persistent- flags
16:27:00 <joesteele_> ... need to think about them all together
16:27:10 <joesteele_> joesteele_: I agree with that -- need to think about all of these
16:27:43 <joesteele_> ddorwin: in my head they are grouped as "persistent-" -- they have close or remove in the name
16:27:52 <joesteele_> paulc: 16, 18 then?
16:28:04 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/18
16:28:06 <joesteele_> s/16, 18/Issues 16 & 18/
16:28:18 <joesteele_> paulc: so if you work on these consider the other as well
16:28:30 <joesteele_> ddorwin: 18 is mostly resolved but depends on 16
16:28:42 <joesteele_> paulc: thanks Mark for the list
16:28:51 <joesteele_> ... any other issues folks want to raise today?
16:28:52 <ddorwin> q+
16:29:13 <paulc> ack dd
16:29:15 <ddorwin> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/29
16:29:23 <joesteele_> topic: Issue 29
16:29:26 <joesteele_> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/29
16:29:45 <paulc> Allow applications to check MediaKeySessionType support via requestMediaKeySystemAccess()
16:29:47 <joesteele_> ddorwin: please read this -- it affects detection and would be bad for folks not to support this
16:30:09 <joesteele_> ... other bugs that have not been resolved -- map-like etc that have not been commented on
16:30:27 <joesteele_> paulc: the ammount of discussion in the last week has gone up much higher
16:30:39 <joesteele_> ... what is the map-like issue is?
16:30:57 <joesteele_> ddorwin: yes -- we need to bring in WedIDL people to discuss that
16:31:14 <joesteele_> ddorwin: Issues 24 and 25 are two of them
16:31:17 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/24
16:31:21 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/25
16:31:30 <paulc> Topic: Map-like objects
16:31:34 <joesteele_> q+
16:31:41 <paulc> David is getting input from WebIDL experts
16:32:34 <joesteele_> joesteele_: not sure I understand what the actual issue is
16:33:08 <joesteele_> ddorwin: it was similar to not map-like so that was the issue -- need to get clarity
16:33:23 <joesteele_> paulc: any other issues to raise?
16:33:30 <joesteele_> topic: Hearbeat
16:33:49 <joesteele_> paulc: David you asked about publishing the registry as well
16:34:13 <joesteele_> ... some back and forth -- the editors need to decide how/where to publish these
16:34:18 <joesteele_> ... please respond on the thread
16:34:31 <joesteele_> ... Aaron has not said whether the MSE doc is ready -- did not respond there
16:34:38 <joesteele_> ... let's just publish EME if we can
16:34:51 <joesteele_> ... any problems with putting EME registry into dated-space for now?
16:35:01 <joesteele_> ddorwin: yes I would rather handle the separation issue first
16:35:19 <joesteele_> paulc: then you should respond on the thread, that we will do the same as last July
16:35:26 <joesteele_> ... publish with a pointer
16:35:35 <joesteele_> ... say exactly where you want to put
16:35:40 <joesteele_> ddorwin: will do
16:35:46 <joesteele_> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:35:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:35:51 <joesteele_> Zakim, who is here?
16:35:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, pal, ddorwin, davide, joesteele, markw, jdsmith
16:35:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see jdsmith, joesteele_, markw, davide, pal, ddorwin, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, adrianba, trackbot
16:36:19 <joesteele_> paulc: BTW the link now says the spec has moved (to the github) -- has it moved?
16:36:26 <joesteele_> ddorwin: yes it has moved to github
16:36:41 <joesteele_> s/BTW the link/BTW clicking the link/
16:36:45 <joesteele_> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:36:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:37:01 <joesteele_> dorwin: won't be an issue everything will be on github
16:37:25 <joesteele_> paulc: the editors should not be blocked
16:37:35 <joesteele_> ddorwin: currently all we need is a date and a place
16:38:02 <joesteele_> paulc: propose we have another EME mtg next week as discussions are moving
16:38:13 <paulc> Topic: Next meeting
16:38:24 <joesteele_> ddorwin: will only have a couple of days in so hopefully others can get some stuff done
16:38:27 <paulc> We will meet next week on Feb 17 to discuss EME bugs and issues
16:38:32 <joesteele_> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:38:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:38:49 <paulc> We are adjounred.
16:38:51 <Zakim> -davide
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16:39:54 <joesteele_> s/cpearce/Chris Pearce/
16:40:30 <joesteele_> s/afavorite/a favorite/
16:40:40 <joesteele_> s/prference/preference/
16:40:42 <joesteele_> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:40:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:41:08 <joesteele_> s/davids/David's/
16:41:11 <joesteele_> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:41:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:41:44 <joesteele_> s/as well that/as well and agree that/
16:41:45 <joesteele_> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:41:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:42:10 <joesteele_> s/about all of these/about all of these together/
16:42:11 <joesteele_> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:42:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:42:47 <joesteele_> s/issue is/issue/
16:42:49 <joesteele_> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:42:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:43:03 <Zakim> -pal
16:43:04 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
16:43:04 <Zakim> Attendees were paulc, +1.650.458.aaaa, ddorwin, +1.408.536.aabb, joesteele, markw, pal, davide, jdsmith
16:43:09 <joesteele_> s/similar to/similar-to/
16:43:10 <joesteele_> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:43:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:43:38 <joesteele_> Zakim, bye
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16:43:45 <joesteele_> rrsagent, bye
16:43:45 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-actions.rdf :
16:43:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jdmith to make proposal for resolving bug 26776 [1]
16:43:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-irc#T16-11-53
16:43:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jdsmith to make proposal for resolving bug 26776 [2]
16:43:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-html-media-irc#T16-12-09