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14:59:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:59:19 <trackbot> Date: 09 February 2015
14:59:25 <Zakim> +azaroth
14:59:59 <Zakim> +Arnaud
15:00:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:00:21 <Ashok> zakim, [ is me
15:00:21 <Zakim> +Ashok; got it
15:00:21 <SteveS> zakim, Steve_Speicher is me
15:00:24 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
15:00:27 <Zakim> +deiu
15:01:01 <deiu> scribenick: deiu
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15:03:21 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
15:03:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, Arnaud, Ashok, SteveS, deiu
15:03:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see cburleson, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, azaroth, Ashok, bblfish__, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu, deiu, betehess, SteveS, jmvanel, Arnaud, tommorris_, sandro, Yves, ericP,
15:03:23 <Zakim> ... trackbot
15:03:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:00 <cburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me.
15:04:00 <Zakim> +cburleson; got it
15:04:10 <SteveS> Zakim, what is Arnaud?
15:04:10 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, SteveS.
15:04:37 <cburleson> Zakim, MiguelAraCo is with me.
15:04:37 <Zakim> +MiguelAraCo; got it
15:05:09 <Zakim> + +1.617.838.aaaa
15:05:14 <TallTed> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:05:14 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
15:05:16 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
15:05:16 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
15:06:45 <bblfish__> hi
15:07:07 <bblfish__> hi I am in train, internet is up and down
15:07:16 <deiu> Topic: minutes of last meeting
15:07:22 <Arnaud>  Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 26 January teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-01-26
15:07:47 <Arnaud> Resolvedl: Approve the minutes of the 26 January teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-01-26
15:07:56 <Arnaud> s/Resolvedl/Resolved/
15:08:08 <deiu> Arnaud: we’ll be meeting again next week
15:08:24 <deiu> … or wait, we can’t meet next week (I’m flying out)
15:08:33 <bblfish__> what is the agenda?
15:08:39 <deiu> …how about we meet in 2 weeks
15:09:13 <deiu> …does anyone else want to hold (chair) the meeting?
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15:09:23 <SteveS> Feb 16th is a US national holiday but I’ll be at work
15:09:44 <deiu> Arnaud: that would be Feb 23th (skipping next week)
15:09:55 <deiu> …any problems with that?
15:10:19 <deiu> Topic: tracking of actions & issues
15:10:30 <deiu> Arnaud: there are several actions opened
15:10:50 <deiu> q+ about Action-154
15:11:02 <deiu> errr
15:11:07 <Arnaud> ack deiu
15:11:15 <Arnaud> queue=
15:11:57 <deiu> deiu: we have taken care of Action-154
15:12:08 <deiu> Arnaud: the link betehess sent us confuses me
15:12:29 <Arnaud> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#conformance
15:12:37 <deiu> Arnaud: Ok, I got it
15:12:41 <Zakim> +Sandro
15:12:44 <deiu> …we can close the action
15:13:20 <deiu> …what is the status of the LDP spec, sandro?
15:13:36 <deiu> sandro: I don’t know anything, I just know that Ralph has been out a lot
15:14:01 <deiu> Arnaud: it would be nice to see the spec become a REC
15:14:14 <deiu> sandro: so we finished PR and nobody did the final bit?
15:14:19 <deiu> Arnaud: that’s right
15:14:39 <deiu> sandro: the meeting where we were supposed to discuss it has been canceled due to weather
15:15:00 <deiu> Arnaud: I’ll nudge ericP a bit
15:15:05 <deiu> Topic: Paging
15:15:11 <deiu> Arnaud: any progress to report?
15:15:58 <deiu> SteveS: I have reached out to some folkes to see how they feel about using paging and whether they have done some testing
15:16:21 <deiu> Arnaud: is there a way we can identify which areas need to be tested?
15:16:58 <Arnaud> http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/paging/
15:17:07 <deiu> SteveS: the methods are there, we just need to assign people to implement them
15:17:21 <deiu> Arnaud: is anybody interested in working on this (other than SteveS)?
15:17:55 <deiu> …Henry, you said you were interested?
15:18:16 <deiu> …it seems we have clearly lost momentum re. paging
15:18:41 <deiu> SteveS: I’m not going to be at the meeting in 2 weeks but I can send an email once I hear back from this product team
15:19:05 <deiu> …I can also see where we stand with the person available to me
15:19:39 <deiu> Arnaud: Ok, that’s about it for paging. If we feel that we’ll never make it through CR, then we just need to accept that fact and turn the spec into a WG note
15:20:23 <deiu> …we don’t have to make the decision quickly, but we’ll have to make that decision by the time of our expiration date
15:20:54 <deiu> sandro: can we go back a bit to the LDP spec? Did we handle those two comments we received?
15:21:07 <deiu> Arnaud: we haven’t checked with the people who made the comments
15:21:27 <deiu> Topic: LD Patch
15:21:50 <deiu> Arnaud: I put the responses in the agenda, for the questions we received when I submitted the TR
15:22:18 <deiu> …as I explained last week, there was a bit of confusion re. the new process (removal of LC, etc)
15:22:44 <deiu> …we basically need to integrate all the steps from LC
15:23:10 <deiu> …the one part that remained open was the Conformance section
15:23:27 <deiu> …betehess put together that section so I would like people to take a look at it
15:23:44 <Arnaud> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#conformance
15:24:11 <deiu> Arnaud: please take a moment to read it
15:24:29 <deiu> q+
15:25:00 <Arnaud> ack deu
15:25:07 <Arnaud> ack deiu
15:25:40 <sandro> q+ to ask about "LD Patch Server" instead of "LD Patch engine"
15:25:46 <Arnaud> ack sandro
15:25:46 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to ask about "LD Patch Server" instead of "LD Patch engine"
15:26:59 <azaroth> +1 to server
15:27:16 <TallTed> +1 sandro's comment.  "engine" seems more like "processor"
15:27:21 <sandro> "LD Patch-Handling Server"
15:28:21 <deiu> Arnaud: anyone objects to changing “LD Patch engine” to “LD Patch server”
15:28:27 <azaroth> q+ re "reading"
15:28:29 <TallTed> "A conforming LD Patch Server is an LDP Server which is capable of handling an LD Patch document..."
15:28:35 <Arnaud> ack azaroth
15:28:35 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to discuss "reading"
15:29:13 <deiu> azaroth: the system can also be used locally to open a file handler
15:29:27 <deiu> …reading the document and doing something with the data
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15:30:56 <azaroth> +1 to parsing
15:30:58 <deiu> Arnaud: everyone seems to be happy with the proposal
15:31:38 <deiu> Arnaud: “As well as sections…” I don’t really like that
15:31:55 <deiu> sandro: it’s ugly but it’s standard boilerplate
15:32:12 <deiu> Arnaud: maybe start with “Sections…”?
15:32:39 <TallTed> "Sections marked as non-normative, as well as all authoring ..."  *much* better
15:33:06 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: accept conformance section with "server" instead of "engine" and "parsing" instead of "reading"
15:33:13 <deiu> Arnaud: hearing no objections, I propose we access the conformance sections
15:33:18 <sandro> +1
15:33:19 <deiu> s/sections/section
15:33:21 <deiu> +!
15:33:24 <deiu> +1
15:33:24 <TallTed> +1
15:33:27 <SteveS> +1
15:33:30 <cburleson> +1
15:33:35 <azaroth> +1
15:33:50 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: accept conformance section with "server" instead of "engine" and "parsing"
15:33:56 <deiu> s/access/accept
15:34:21 <deiu> Arnaud: I will send an email to plh as soon as the spec is edited
15:34:46 <deiu> …that should allow us to move forward with the publication process
15:34:58 <deiu> Topic: workshop
15:35:20 <deiu> Arnaud: time is going by and there are some hard headlines in the W3C process (e.g. signal meetings 8 weeks ahead of time)
15:35:32 <azaroth> s/headlines/deadlines/
15:35:35 <deiu> …Rob has pointed out that the annotation WG has a meeting in April in SF
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15:35:53 <SteveS> Maybe we could code up the paging testsuite at a workshop
15:35:58 <deiu> Arnaud: unless anyone has any news to report, I don’t think it’s going to happen
15:36:20 <deiu> Ashok: I have emailed Arnaud that Oracle is interested and will at least have a couple of people there
15:36:33 <deiu> Arnaud: let’s have a straw poll
15:37:00 <cburleson> +1
15:37:01 <Arnaud> STAWPOLL: would you expect to attend or have someone from your org attend a workshop in SF in April if we had one?
15:37:08 <sandro> +1
15:37:10 <cburleson> +1
15:37:14 <azaroth> +1
15:37:15 <Ashok> +1
15:37:21 <MiguelAraCo> +1
15:37:24 <deiu> +1 (if my boss allows me ;) )
15:37:26 <azaroth> Or +3 if we're counting people
15:37:34 <Arnaud> s/STAWPOLL/STRAWPOLL/
15:37:36 <SteveS> +0.5 depends on approval and topics
15:38:02 <TallTed> +1 likely by remote
15:38:13 <SteveS> would be good if we had a hackday/afternoon
15:38:43 <deiu> Arnaud: so it seems there *is* interest in doing it
15:39:02 <deiu> …I need to check the timing and what it would take to make it happen
15:39:05 <Zakim> +??P5
15:39:14 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P5 is me
15:39:14 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
15:39:19 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
15:39:19 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
15:39:44 <deiu> Arnaud: I’ll talk to ericP about it
15:40:13 <deiu> …I cannot take a leadership role in this either, maybe someone else in the group would be interested in chairing this event?
15:40:21 <deiu> sandro: I’m afraid I can’t do it either
15:40:32 <deiu> Ashok: maybe I could do it
15:41:08 <deiu> Ashok: it would be better if I had a co-chair
15:41:46 <deiu> Arnaud: I’ll have a call with ericP to see how we can make it happen
15:41:54 <deiu> Topic: social web WG
15:42:14 <deiu> Arnaud: several people in this group are involved in the social web WG
15:42:40 <deiu> …some people have looked at how LDP can help them
15:43:16 <deiu> …I agree with Henry about leveraging LDP
15:43:29 <deiu> …that would help LDP a lot
15:44:03 <deiu> …if anybody is interested, please help by joining the group or participating in some form
15:44:06 <azaroth> q+ to note anno ED
15:44:18 <deiu> sandro: I started the wiki page that Henry mentioned in his email
15:44:37 <deiu> …I don’t know how to move foward with this, because there’s a gap between LDP and the social Web group
15:44:51 <Zakim> +ericP
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15:45:05 <deiu> …CIMBA could help close the gap but there are still a lot of bits missing
15:45:44 <deiu> …if you think using LDP to exchange social data, then please help
15:45:48 <Arnaud> ack azaroth
15:45:48 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to note anno ED
15:45:49 <azaroth> http://w3c.github.io/web-annotation/protocol/wd/
15:46:18 <deiu> azaroth: just wanted to note that in the annotation WG we have a possible way of using LDP for annotations
15:46:27 <deiu> …we’re looking at how to make it work
15:47:04 <deiu> Arnaud: you said there’s a proposal being put together, but what’s your sentiment about, is it going to happen?
15:47:50 <Zakim> +bblfish
15:47:54 <deiu> azaroth: we had some comments about containers storing a lot of annotations
15:48:36 <deiu> azaroth: there was also some discussion around using Turtle and JSONLD and conformance
15:49:29 <deiu> azaroth: there’s also the issue of RDF people vs non-RDF people
15:50:03 <SteveS> Actually JSON-LD is almost the same level as Turtle in LDP, it is a MUST when requested
15:50:33 <SteveS> Should do turtle when header is absent
15:50:34 <deiu> Arnaud: yes, there’s usually an adverse reaction to RDF
15:50:51 <deiu> …Henry, did you catch the discussion?
15:50:59 <deiu> bblfish_: I followed a little bit
15:51:11 <deiu> …the LDP story is going for the API
15:51:34 <deiu> …they agree with non-reasoning RDF (e.g. JSON-LD)
15:52:10 <azaroth> Ooops, true. I guess it's 4.3.2.2 that the Anno WG would want to change to recommend the JSON-LD serialization over turtle as the default
15:52:23 <deiu> …I think there is going to be a lot of discussion, but the people working on LDP also need to get together and show some interop
15:52:50 <deiu> …maybe we can get a group of LDP people with implementation to see how we can get simple things working together
15:53:22 <deiu> Arnaud: the SW WG is really keen on that
15:53:26 <SteveS> azaroth, that is fine…think why we relaxed to should.  I’m not sure how it works to say you create a profile of LDP to strikeout the turtle MUST
15:53:40 <deiu> …they want the WG to be implementation-driven, so Henry is right
15:54:01 <deiu> Arnaud: they already made the leap to using JSON-LD
15:54:21 <deiu> …they might be closer to using LDP than the anno WG
15:54:33 <deiu> …if there are people interested, they should reach out to Henry
15:55:03 <deiu> …I think we’re running out of time, so maybe we can leave it like this for now
15:55:19 <deiu> ericP: any chance you can report on some progress for the open Actions?
15:55:35 <deiu> ericP: there was one abour LDP going to REC, right?
15:56:03 <deiu> …my guess is that it will take a week before we have a meeting about it, so we might just go ahead and submit a TR
15:56:15 <deiu> sandro: we won’t need a meeting, there’s no controverse
15:56:42 <deiu> ericP: ok, so then we should respond to the commented and seek consent (the director will want to know we did this)
15:56:52 <deiu> Arnaud: who is going to do this?
15:57:15 <deiu> SteveS: I responded to ericP’s comment on the list, so I assumed you were going to respond to them
15:57:30 <deiu> ericP: why do I respond and CC you? do you have the answers?
15:57:34 <deiu> Arnaud: it’s in the list
15:57:47 <deiu> …maybe I suggest that you don’t leave it open ended?
15:58:06 <deiu> ericP: yes, respond in a week, otherwise we take it that you agree
15:58:16 <Zakim> -bblfish
15:58:17 <deiu> Arnaud: there was also an Action about LD Patch TR
15:58:23 <azaroth> SteveS: Agreed, striking out MUST isn't a reasonable thing for a profile to do
15:58:37 <deiu> …I have all the info to respond to plh, but please follow up on getting the call schedule
15:58:43 <sandro> eric, how about the first email just say, "can you take a quick look now and let us know"...   that way we might get immediate responses, rather than waiting for a week
15:58:56 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, that should take care of everything
15:59:03 <deiu> …I think we can close the call
15:59:11 <azaroth> Thanks all :)
15:59:25 <Zakim> -cburleson
15:59:29 <Zakim> -Sandro
15:59:30 <Zakim> -azaroth
15:59:31 <Zakim> -SteveS
15:59:33 <deiu> [meeting adjourned]
15:59:43 <Zakim> -Ashok
15:59:44 <Zakim> -nmihindu
16:00:14 <Zakim> -TallTed
16:00:15 <Zakim> -Arnaud
16:00:17 <Zakim> -deiu
16:00:21 <Zakim> -ericP
16:00:22 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
16:00:22 <Zakim> Attendees were azaroth, Arnaud, Ashok, SteveS, deiu, cburleson, MiguelAraCo, +1.617.838.aaaa, TallTed, Sandro, nmihindu, ericP, bblfish
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18:20:19 <Arnaud> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:20:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/09-ldp-minutes.html Arnaud
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