19:50:06 RRSAgent has joined #sdw 19:50:06 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/02/04-sdw-irc 19:50:08 RRSAgent, make logs world 19:50:08 Zakim has joined #sdw 19:50:10 Zakim, this will be SDW 19:50:10 ok, trackbot; I see DATA_SDWWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes 19:50:11 Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference 19:50:11 Date: 04 February 2015 19:51:25 kerry has joined #sdw 19:51:36 hi kerry 19:52:16 hi adila 19:52:39 zakim, this is #sdw 19:52:39 sorry, kerry, I do not see a conference named '#sdw' in progress or scheduled at this time 19:53:00 Ramon_Alcarria has joined #sdw 19:53:04 trackbot, start meeting 19:53:06 RRSAgent, make logs world 19:53:08 Zakim, this will be SDW 19:53:08 ok, trackbot; I see DATA_SDWWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes 19:53:09 Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference 19:53:09 Date: 04 February 2015 19:53:24 Payam has joined #sdw 19:53:34 hi payam! 19:53:45 Hi Kerry 19:53:54 rrsagent, make logs public 19:54:46 DATA_SDWWG()3:00PM has now started 19:54:53 +[IPcaller] 19:55:06 zakim, ipcaller is me 19:55:06 +Payam; got it 19:55:08 RaulGarciaCastro has joined #sdw 19:55:17 zakim, who's here? 19:55:17 On the phone I see Payam 19:55:19 On IRC I see RaulGarciaCastro, Payam, Ramon_Alcarria, kerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, adila, trackbot 19:55:30 Linda has joined #sdw 19:56:03 Simon has joined #sdw 19:56:25 AZ has joined #sdw 19:56:26 + +1.937.985.aaaa 19:56:32 +??P1 19:56:36 KJanowicz has joined #sdw 19:56:44 ianh has joined #sdw 19:56:45 Hi 19:56:55 +eparsons 19:57:00 +??P4 19:57:08 zakim, who's here? 19:57:08 On the phone I see Payam, +1.937.985.aaaa, ??P1, eparsons, ??P4 19:57:10 On IRC I see ianh, KJanowicz, AZ, Simon, Linda, RaulGarciaCastro, Payam, Ramon_Alcarria, kerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, adila, trackbot 19:57:56 phila, I seem to be eparsons 19:58:00 Ashok_Malhotra has joined #sdw 19:58:06 phila has joined #sdw 19:58:24 + +61.3.925.2.aabb 19:58:28 phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150204 19:59:18 FransKnibbe has joined #sdw 19:59:23 + +33.9.54.07.aacc 19:59:24 ianh has left #sdw 19:59:28 +[IPcaller] 19:59:40 zakim, aacc is me 19:59:40 +AZ; got it 19:59:49 MattPerry has joined #sdw 19:59:49 zakim, IPCaller is me 19:59:50 +Ashok_Malhotra; got it 20:00:08 ianh_ has joined #sdw 20:00:17 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #sdw 20:00:18 zakim, this is sdw 20:00:18 phila, this was already DATA_SDWWG()3:00PM 20:00:19 ok, phila; that matches DATA_SDWWG()3:00PM 20:00:30 zakim, mute me 20:00:30 AZ should now be muted 20:00:31 +[IPcaller] 20:00:34 zakim, [ is me 20:00:34 +phila; got it 20:00:37 zakim, aaaa is me 20:00:37 +adila; got it 20:00:38 zakim, aabb is Simon 20:00:38 +Simon; got it 20:00:38 aharth has joined #sdw 20:00:39 +??P12 20:00:41 Alejandro_Llaves has joined #sdw 20:00:42 zakim, who is here? 20:00:42 On the phone I see Payam, adila, ??P1, eparsons, ??P4, Simon, AZ (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, phila, ??P12 20:00:44 On IRC I see Alejandro_Llaves, aharth, BartvanLeeuwen, ianh_, MattPerry, FransKnibbe, phila, Ashok_Malhotra, KJanowicz, AZ, Simon, Linda, RaulGarciaCastro, Payam, Ramon_Alcarria, 20:00:44 ... kerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, adila, trackbot 20:00:45 Zakim, ??p12 is me 20:00:47 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 20:00:47 + +1.603.897.aadd 20:01:03 zakim, aadd is me 20:01:03 +MattPerry; got it 20:01:19 + +44.207.800.aaee 20:01:27 +[IPcaller] 20:01:36 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 20:01:36 +aharth; got it 20:01:44 +??P14 20:01:52 -??P14 20:02:07 +Christine_Perey 20:02:25 cperey has joined #sdw 20:02:26 phil, zakim thinks i am eparsons 20:02:40 LieberJosh has joined #SDW 20:02:43 present+ AndreasHarth 20:02:44 zakim, eparsons is kerry 20:02:44 +kerry; got it 20:02:58 * phila, thanks! 20:03:06 meeting: SDW WG Weekly 20:03:07 chair: Kerry 20:03:08 +[IPcaller] 20:03:15 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150204 20:03:31 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 20:03:31 +RaulGarciaCastro; got it 20:03:36 regrets:Ed, Jeremy, Bill, Chris Little, Chaals, Ioannis, Lars 20:03:43 zakim, who is here? 20:03:43 On the phone I see Payam, adila, ??P1, kerry, ??P4, Simon, AZ (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, phila, BartvanLeeuwen, MattPerry, +44.207.800.aaee, aharth, Christine_Perey, RaulGarciaCastro 20:03:44 thanks, Phila 20:03:46 On IRC I see LieberJosh, cperey, Alejandro_Llaves, aharth, BartvanLeeuwen, ianh_, MattPerry, FransKnibbe, phila, Ashok_Malhotra, KJanowicz, AZ, Simon, Linda, RaulGarciaCastro, 20:03:46 ... 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RaulGarciaCastro, KJanowicz, LieberJosh, [IPcaller] 20:04:44 On IRC I see LieberJosh, cperey, Alejandro_Llaves, aharth, BartvanLeeuwen, ianh_, MattPerry, FransKnibbe, phila, Ashok_Malhotra, KJanowicz, AZ, Simon, Linda, RaulGarciaCastro, 20:04:46 ... Payam, Ramon_Alcarria, kerry, Zakim, RRSAgent, adila, trackbot 20:04:49 ChrisLittle has joined #sdw 20:05:04 i called using voip instead of my regular phone connection, i suspect i'm ??P1 but how can I be sure? 20:05:05 zakim , [ is me 20:05:32 zakim, [ is me 20:05:32 +ianh_; got it 20:05:34 zakim, aaee is me 20:05:35 +ChrisLittle; got it 20:06:05 zakim , ??P1 is me 20:06:23 zakim, ??P1 is me 20:06:23 +Linda; got it 20:06:29 zakim, who is on the phone? 20:06:29 On the phone I see Payam, adila, Linda, kerry, ??P4, Simon, AZ (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, phila, BartvanLeeuwen, MattPerry, ChrisLittle, aharth, Christine_Perey, RaulGarciaCastro, 20:06:32 ... KJanowicz, LieberJosh, ianh_ 20:07:08 zakim, ??P4 is me 20:07:08 +Ramon_Alcarria; got it 20:07:20 zakim, who is on the phone? 20:07:20 On the phone I see Payam, adila, Linda, kerry, Ramon_Alcarria, Simon, AZ (muted), Ashok_Malhotra, phila, BartvanLeeuwen, MattPerry, ChrisLittle, aharth, Christine_Perey, 20:07:23 ... RaulGarciaCastro, KJanowicz, LieberJosh, ianh_ 20:07:55 + +31.20.777.aahh 20:08:17 that is netherlands 20:08:23 amsterdam 20:08:24 nope 20:08:27 frans ? 20:08:36 +??P21 20:08:48 zakim, aahh is FransKnibbe 20:08:48 +FransKnibbe; got it 20:08:56 -??P21 20:09:12 Topic: Preliminaries 20:09:20 AndreaPerego has joined #sdw 20:09:26 phila I'll scribe if you will help me? 20:09:46 brava Christine 20:09:48 scribe: cperey 20:09:49 I will need help 20:10:03 I've been in W3C before 20:10:15 kerry: Agenda 20:10:18 +??P21 20:10:22 zakim, ??P21 is me 20:10:22 +AndreaPerego; got it 20:10:24 PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/01/28-sdw-minutes.html 20:10:25 kerry: motion to approve last week's minutes 20:10:28 +1 to approve 20:10:28 zakim, mute me 20:10:28 AndreaPerego should now be muted 20:10:34 http://www.w3.org/2015/01/28-sdw-minutes.html 20:10:40 not really 20:10:48 kerry: any comments? objections? 20:10:53 +1 20:10:54 +1 20:10:55 +1 20:10:56 +1 20:10:57 +1 20:10:58 +1 20:10:59 +1 20:10:59 +1 20:10:59 +1 20:10:59 +1 20:11:00 +1 20:11:00 +1 20:11:04 +1 20:11:07 _1 20:11:09 +1 20:11:11 +1 20:11:13 kerry: minutes approved 20:11:14 RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/01/28-sdw-minutes.html 20:11:37 thank you Phil 20:11:49 kerry: next item on agenda is address patent call for OGC 20:11:56 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call 20:12:06 kerry: reading the patent call 20:12:21 kerry: get a policy if you need it 20:12:39 kerry: anyone aware.... please speak up now 20:12:58 kerry: any responses? 20:13:01 kerry: move on 20:13:18 zakim, unmute me 20:13:18 AZ should no longer be muted 20:13:19 +q 20:13:22 +q 20:13:22 kerry: next item: introductions of new participants 20:13:26 +q 20:13:33 ack Raul 20:13:47 -AndreaPerego 20:14:05 RaulGarcia Castro: work at Univ PT at Madrid in representation of sensor data and ontologies, previously participated in SSN working group 20:14:13 kerry: thank you very much 20:14:19 ack AZ 20:14:36 +??P21 20:14:38 zakim, ??P21 is me 20:14:38 +AndreaPerego; got it 20:14:44 zakim, mute me 20:14:44 AndreaPerego should now be muted 20:14:44 AZ: I am Antoine Zimmerman 20:14:53 AZ: I'm assoc prof at ecole des mines st. etienne in Lyon, linked data, knowlede represetnation and querying over LD 20:15:12 AZ: using information from different contexts in reason, including spatial and temporal context 20:15:22 AZ: smart cities and transportation data projects 20:15:29 kerry: thank you Antoine 20:15:54 how to get on the speaker queue? 20:15:54 zakim, who is on the q? 20:15:54 I see ianh_ on the speaker queue 20:16:04 ack ina 20:16:07 ack ian 20:16:15 ianh: Ian Holt 20:16:35 q+ adila 20:16:36 ianh: Ordonance Survey, active interest in all standards, including LD, been on OGC activitiees 20:16:52 kerry: Ian has worked with Ed P in past 20:16:53 ack adila 20:17:09 zakim, mute me 20:17:09 AZ should now be muted 20:17:34 adila: from ?? uNiversity, intersted in ontologies in general OWL and looking at how spatial and temporal can be represented 20:17:38 s/Zimmerman/Zimmermann/ 20:17:41 kerry: thank you for joining 20:17:48 q? 20:17:56 kerry: no one else is new? 20:18:15 kerry: now next item on agenda is face to face meeting 20:18:15 cperey, Wright State University 20:18:35 kerry: head around the meeting info, no agenda set yet 20:18:52 kerry: expect to deliver first use cases draft following the meeting 20:19:03 kerry: focusing on use cases between now and then 20:19:11 kerry: how to fit, group, questoins, etc 20:19:14 http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/1503t 20:19:30 kerry: find there how to register, and also info on accommodations 20:19:39 ArmandoBarbosa has joined #sdw 20:19:57 kerry: if you are unfamiliar with OGC, and you are not an OGC member, you will need to pay 20:19:58 Topic: F2F meeting in Barcelona 20:20:06 kerry: something like $200/day 20:20:22 kerry: dinner an extra $65 or go for the whole week for $350 20:20:35 Is the link broken? 20:20:36 I get 404 from link 20:20:37 kerry: OGC members get free or reduced cost registration 20:20:55 http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/1503tc 20:20:58 chris litte: maybe talk with Denise, she may waive the daily fee for presenters 20:21:08 +q 20:21:10 ???: I didn't need to pay when I registered 20:21:26 kerry: had to pay and I told them I was OGC 20:21:28 s/http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/1503t / http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/1503tc 20:21:32 s/???/Andreas/ 20:21:33 yes, I'm OGC 20:21:51 members 20:22:18 kerry: it seems like people need to test and try for themselves 20:22:22 FransKnibbe_ has joined #sdw 20:22:29 kerry: takes an action to talk with Denise about this 20:22:31 Order Grand Total: $0.00, and I'm not a member 20:22:32 I also registered and didn't need to pay- unless I have registered for the wrong event! 20:22:43 -q 20:22:52 kerry: thanks, Andreas, maybe it's going to get clearer 20:22:57 The dinner is usually a good value -- except for the speeches 20:22:57 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:23:01 q+ to ask if it will be possible to join the meeting by teleconference 20:23:10 zakim, unmute me 20:23:10 AZ should no longer be muted 20:23:12 action Kerry: check payment situation 20:23:14 Created ACTION-2 - Check payment situation [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-02-11]. 20:23:28 AZ: ask if it is possible you join remotely 20:23:34 kerry: yes 20:23:44 chrislittle: it will be a GoTo Meeting 20:23:56 kerry: probably won't work with Zakim and IRC 20:24:03 Typical OGC arrangement for a joint meeting is that fee is waived for the day of the meeting, but if you attend the rest of the meeting you have to pay. But should be verified with Denise/Ingo 20:24:08 kerry: probably better for it all to be in IRC 20:24:09 zakim, mute me 20:24:09 AZ should now be muted 20:24:32 kerry: also about meeting: on the wiki I have added under the mtgs page, under face to face 20:24:37 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings 20:24:57 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Attending_Barcelona_F2F 20:25:01 kerry: there's a place for details, go there for writing if you are coming, or not, or by IRC 20:25:10 kerry: let us know what you plan so we can plan the meeting 20:25:28 kerry: first page is about meeting, second link is where you write down what you are doing 20:25:35 kerry: very simple 20:25:44 kerry: everyone will need to edit the wiki 20:25:55 NO CLUE!!! 20:26:06 that's a Phila question: No 20:26:26 kerry: moving on to next agenda item, we want to talk about use cases 20:26:27 q+ 20:26:48 kerry: we want to have pruning and disucssion to produce first draft of first deliverable 20:26:55 Topic: Use Cases 20:26:57 ack AZ 20:26:58 AZ, you wanted to ask if it will be possible to join the meeting by teleconference 20:27:07 q- AZ 20:27:09 +q 20:27:31 AZ: on use cases, I have something: we would like to add an intelligent trnasport systems use cases, maybe several use cases 20:27:50 AZ: transportation is quite broad domain; public transport, 20:28:02 kerry: please do, fabulous driver for what we do 20:28:12 use cases are due next week 20:28:13 kerry: if you have doubts about relevance, add any way 20:28:19 kerry: please write up 20:28:28 kerry: is everyone clear about where to put them? 20:28:38 kerry: can someone put the Link in? 20:28:42 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Working_Use_Cases 20:28:42 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Working_Use_Cases 20:28:45 I've seen the wikipage 20:28:48 kerry: there's a few already there 20:28:57 kerry: do it today and tomorrow! 20:28:57 ack 20:29:04 q? 20:29:07 ack next 20:29:07 zakim, mute me 20:29:08 AZ should now be muted 20:29:09 ack chris 20:29:22 Chris Little: I've put some up there, I've asked someone I know who works for Cross Rail 20:29:42 Chris Little: using 3GIS, and OGC standards, lots of things dont work 20:29:55 chris Little: I've asked that they write up a use case on tunnels 20:30:00 +1 for 3d 20:30:05 Chris Little: also asked someone to work up a medical use case 20:30:17 action: phil to contact Stony Brook Uni re medical use case 20:30:18 Created ACTION-3 - Contact stony brook uni re medical use case [on Phil Archer - due 2015-02-11]. 20:30:19 Will we evaluate use-cases to determine if they are 'specialized' or 'on the web'? 20:30:21 Glad to see 3D in the use cases 20:30:35 q? 20:30:36 Chris Little: we are also trying to get use caes developed for weather forecast to predict bed use in hospital 20:30:41 ack payam 20:30:56 Payam: we have smart city project wth 101 use cases 20:30:56 http://www.ict-citypulse.eu/scenarios/ 20:31:12 Payam: do we want to add them one by one? Are all these relevant? 20:31:21 kerry: we may need to do soem work to check through them 20:31:36 kerry: we may need to rewrite a little maybe combine some, not familiar but 20:31:50 kerry: we are going to need to select some, expanded a great deal by that 20:32:07 Payam: we also have teh data for some of these, I'll have the link for that in a minute 20:32:16 kerry: please put a link to data for your use case 20:32:24 Link to datasets: http://iot.ee.surrey.ac.uk:8080 20:32:29 kerry: we will need the data before acceptable as a rcommendation 20:32:31 q? 20:32:37 s/teh/the/ 20:32:40 an even more basic question that we have not explicitly clarified. Will this group be about semantics? 20:32:40 kerry: comment earlier from Simon 20:32:43 Link to smart city use-cases: http://www.ict-citypulse.eu/scenarios/ 20:32:44 ack simon 20:32:49 q+ 20:33:00 Simon: my concern is that some use cases are highly specialized, and we need to keep things under control 20:33:12 +1 20:33:20 +1 20:33:20 Simon: we have to be a little circumspect with use cases that are only of interest in a technical community 20:33:40 kerry: we plan to develop some key questiosn that help us to decide if/how to keep use cases 20:33:42 q+ 20:33:54 kerry: we only agreed that we would assess if they are Niche or not 20:34:04 kerry: we still don't want to cut out use cases for the moment 20:34:14 s/questiosn/questions/ 20:34:18 kerry: if something comes up a lot we might detect a pattern 20:34:20 Overlap x-community use-cases shold have priority 20:34:22 q? 20:34:26 -q 20:34:27 ack raul 20:34:49 Raul: here at UPM we have quality, earthquake, and transportation data 20:35:03 ack kj 20:35:04 kerry: thankyou that would be fabulous, Transport is almost like a themne 20:35:17 s/rcommendation/recommendation/ 20:35:17 ack KJa 20:35:25 Christophe: even broader question, not just use cases but what particular way to address them 20:35:42 s/thankyou/thank you/ 20:35:50 Christophe: do we commit ourselves on if we want to develop semantics and modeling, or broader 20:36:00 +q 20:36:02 kerry: anyone want to discuss this? 20:36:06 ack payam 20:36:18 s/Christophe/Krzysztof/ 20:36:19 Payam: my response: what do you think Christophe? do you have any questions 20:36:43 Christophe: my suggestion is that what we did was to look at past use cases and look for where we will apply 20:37:02 Christophe: but if we are equally cinclusive, do we commit to different methods of addressing 20:37:20 good point 20:37:25 Christophe: if you look at the agenda (charter?) of the group we dont' say that we are concerned with semantics and data models, yadayada 20:37:34 q+ 20:37:40 q+ 20:37:40 Christophe: we could say we do geomteri 20:37:42 s/Christophe/Krzysztof/ 20:37:42 ack Bart 20:37:42 s/Christophe/Krzysztof/ 20:37:43 s/Christophe/Krzysztof/ 20:37:44 s/Christophe/Krzysztof/ 20:37:48 Bart: I think we should stick to what's in the charter 20:38:06 Bart: When not mentioned in the charter, we dont' need that here 20:38:29 kerry: we certainly have the charter to constrain us, we could change it a bit but that would be exceptional 20:38:32 q+ to tallk about charter 20:38:38 s/dont'/don't/ 20:38:38 q+ 20:38:49 s/tallk/talk/ 20:38:53 kerry: there are technologies mentioned in teh charter, those will be our focus, no doubt, a few specifically named 20:38:58 Let's keep options open at the moment, I think it is good to have an overview of all problems out there, We could focus later based on capabilities of group members. 20:39:02