17:57:15 RRSAgent has joined #ua 17:57:15 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-irc 17:57:17 RRSAgent, make logs public 17:57:17 Zakim has joined #ua 17:57:19 Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG 17:57:19 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 17:57:20 Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 17:57:20 Date: 29 January 2015 17:57:27 rrsagent, make logs public 17:57:45 Chair: jeanne 18:00:29 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started 18:00:36 +Jeanne 18:03:28 agenda+ Followup comments on Text Customization in UAAG 18:03:38 Agenda+ ACTION-1065: Write an intro paragraph for uaag 2.0 conformance 18:03:38 applicability notes 18:03:47 agenda+ GL 4 comments (4.1.4, 4.1.5) 18:03:55 Agenda+ ACTION-1051 18:04:29 Greg has joined #ua 18:04:29 agenda: Followup from previous meeting 8 January 2015 18:04:44 agenda? 18:04:58 +Greg_Lowney 18:05:04 agenda+ Followup from previous meeting 8 January 2015 18:05:13 zakim, take up item 5 18:05:13 agendum 5. "Followup from previous meeting 8 January 2015" taken up [from jeanne] 18:05:35 Kim has joined #ua 18:05:48 +Kim_Patch 18:06:08 Jan has joined #ua 18:06:15 zakim, code? 18:06:15 the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan 18:06:48 +[IPcaller] 18:07:07 RESOLUTION: UA documents will use "installed fonts" and "platform colors" - additional fonts can be 18:07:07 installed, colors only exist on the platform 18:07:24 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan 18:07:24 +Jan; got it 18:07:26 zakim, close item 5 18:07:26 agendum 5, Followup from previous meeting 8 January 2015, closed 18:07:27 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:07:27 1. Followup comments on Text Customization in UAAG [from jeanne] 18:13:23 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/0071.html 18:13:35 zakim, take up item 1 18:13:35 agendum 1. "Followup comments on Text Customization in UAAG" taken up [from jeanne] 18:13:45 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/0071.html 18:19:39 Jan: I'm suggesting in A level in 1.4.1 and adding the word normal 18:19:54 Text style (normal, underline, italic, bold) 18:21:26 Text style, choosing to turn off underline, italic, bold 18:21:35 Text style, choosing to turn on/off underline, italic, bold 18:22:39 RESOLUTION: add bullet point to 1.4.1 'Text style, choosing to turn on/off underline, italic, bold" 18:23:07 Scribe: Jan 18:28:57 "Text size (e.g. 18pt) or scale (e.g. 150%)" ? 18:30:19 "Text size and scale (e.g. 18pt, 150%)" ? 18:34:36 Text size (e.g. 18pt) or text scale (e.g. 150%) 18:35:55 RESOLUTION: In 1.4.2 "Text size or scale"change to --> Text size (e.g. 18pt) or text scale (e.g. 150%) 18:36:28 RESOLUTION: In 1.4.2 "Text size or scale"change to --> Text size (e.g. 18 point) or text scale (e.g. 150%) 18:39:59 shawn's comments from 2013 <- http://www.tader.info/understanding.html 18:40:48 Last Call <- http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-UAAG20-20131107/#gl-text-config 18:43:28 action: jeanne to go back to shawn on MISSING AAA - we don't think anything is missing except word spacing. 18:43:28 Created ACTION-1066 - Go back to shawn on missing aaa - we don't think anything is missing except word spacing. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-02-05]. 18:43:28 Topic: I had suggested more element-level customization at Level AAA... 18:43:53 Topic: Word spacing seems to be missing all together 18:45:26 Jeanne thinks we removed it because it’s not a major accessibility issue, and we knew of no UA that does it other than with CSS. 18:46:38 JR: New bullet in 1.4.5 Word spacing, choosing from a range with at least 5 values 18:46:59 JR: New bullet in 1.4.5 Word spacing 18:47:40 RESOLUTION: New bullet in 1.4.5...- Word spacing 18:49:13 Topic: re: Note: Any user settings from the platform for these characteristics are implemented. 19:04:22 5.1.3 refers to the accessibility rules of the platform, not the user settings 19:04:46 Jan: If we want this, it should be a SC at AA 19:04:55 Jeanne: Microsoft asked for this 19:06:01 Jan: I think it is good as a user interface continuity perspective. I hate to fail other browsers for this. I want to take out the Note in 1.4.1 and write a new SC at level AA. 19:08:03 Action Jan: Propose some way to handle the inherit properties from OS issue 19:08:03 Created ACTION-1067 - Propose some way to handle the inherit properties from os issue [on Jan Richards - due 2015-02-05]. 19:08:22 Referring to note in 1.4.1 19:09:50 JR: Points out 1.4.3 and 1.4.4 lack Reference buttons 19:10:10 JR: 1.4.4 has a-b-c numbering of bullets instead of bullets 19:11:09 JR: 1.4.5 Extra in handle 19:11:28 GL: Extra white space before bullets in 1.4.4 19:12:05 GL: Note for 1.4.5 has the wrong class and so has too much whitepace and is not indented 19:12:49 GL: Should use class="sc-notes" 19:13:31 GL: 1.10.1 also erroneously uses lettered lists 19:14:43 JR: ATAG uses UL but with text letters (a), (b), etc. 19:15:14 Personally for technical documents I prefer unordered lists to be lettered so that items can be referred to by a unique ID; otherwise people have to count bullets. (Ordered lists would be numbered.) 19:15:22 agenda? 19:15:37 zakim, close action item 1 19:15:37 I don't understand 'close action item 1', Jan 19:15:47 zakim, take up next 19:15:47 agendum 2. "ACTION-1065: Write an intro paragraph for uaag 2.0 conformance" taken up [from jeanne] 19:15:49 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/0095.html 19:16:57 http://w3c.github.io/UAAG/UAAG20/#applicability-notes 19:17:47 JR: "The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria in these guidelines. These conditions must be satisfied for conformance. " 19:19:49 Jeanne pointed out that most of the Applicability Notes are making SC less restrictive, rather than more as the proposed intro paragraph implies. 19:20:15 The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify success criteria under certain edge conditions. 19:20:57 The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify how the success criteria would apply under certain edge conditions. 19:22:15 The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify how the success criteria would apply under certain conditions. 19:22:57 The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify how the success criteria would apply under certain circumstances. 19:23:04 +1 19:23:09 +1 19:23:33 +1 19:23:36 RESOLUTION: To add this paragraph above the Applicability notes: "The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify how the success criteria would apply under certain circumstances." 19:25:08 JR: Proposal to add text pointer to the Conformance section: "The Conformance Applicability Notes must also be satisfied." 19:26:36 The *Conformance Applicability Notes* provide additional guidance on the applicability of the success criteria under certain circumstances. 19:29:05 In order for a web page to conform to UAAG 2.0, one of the following levels of conformance is met in full. 19:29:06 -Level A: For level A conformance (the minimum level of conformance), the user agent satisfies all the Level A success criteria. 19:29:08 -Level AA: For level AA conformance (recommended), the user agent satisfies all level A and level AA Success Criteria. 19:29:09 -Level AAA: For level AAA conformance (advanced), the user agent satisfies all level A, level AA and level AAA Success Criteria. 19:29:11 The *Conformance Applicability Notes* provide additional guidance on the applicability of the success criteria under certain circumstances. 19:29:12 Although conformance can only be achieved at the stated levels, developers are encouraged to report (in their claim) any progress toward meeting success criteria from all levels beyond the achieved level of conformance. 19:30:42 RESOLUTION: In the Conformance Reqs section: Add the paragraph: "The *Conformance Applicability Notes* provide additional guidance on the applicability of the success criteria under certain circumstances." after the bulleted list (as shown above) and then REMOVE "Note:" from the next sentence (" Although conformance can only be achieved at the stated levels, developers are encouraged to... 19:30:44 ...report (in their claim) any progress toward meeting success criteria from all levels beyond the achieved level of conformance. ") 19:31:38 -Greg_Lowney 19:31:44 -Jan 19:34:21 rrsagent, make minutes 19:34:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-minutes.html jeanne 19:34:46 rrsagent, make logs public 19:53:22 -Kim_Patch 19:53:26 -Jeanne 19:53:27 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended 19:53:27 Attendees were Jeanne, Greg_Lowney, Kim_Patch, Jan 21:03:43 rrsagent, make minutes 21:03:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-minutes.html jeanne 21:05:18 regrets+ Jim 21:05:23 rrsagent, make minutes 21:05:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-minutes.html jeanne