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19:47:19 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
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19:48:30 <eparsons> evening..
19:51:27 <eparsons> RRSAgent, make logs public
19:51:44 <eparsons> zakim, this will be sdwwg
19:51:44 <Zakim> ok, eparsons, I see DATA_SDWWG()3:00PM already started
19:52:09 <eparsons> zakim, who is here?
19:52:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see eparsons
19:52:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see eparsons, DanhLePhuoc, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, trackbot
19:52:27 <eparsons> Chair: Ed
19:52:53 <eparsons> NP
19:53:59 <phila> zakim, this will be sdw
19:53:59 <Zakim> ok, phila, I see DATA_SDWWG()3:00PM already started
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19:54:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
19:54:35 <phila> zakim, [ is me
19:54:35 <Zakim> +phila; got it
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19:56:15 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150128
19:56:21 <phila> regrets+ Kerry
19:56:32 <phila> regrets+ Alejandro
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19:58:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
19:58:11 <Zakim> +Christine_Perey
19:58:16 <IanH> IanH has joined #sdw
19:58:26 <Linda> Linda has joined #sdw
19:58:37 <ahaller2> ahaller2 has joined #sdw
19:58:47 <Payam> zakim Ipcaller is me
19:58:56 <Zakim> +armin
19:58:59 <cperey> cperey has joined #sdw
19:59:05 <Zakim> + +1.412.390.aaaa
19:59:08 <Payam> zakim, IPcaller is me
19:59:08 <Zakim> +Payam; got it
19:59:29 <cory_henson> cory_henson has joined #sdw
19:59:34 <Zakim> + +1.603.521.aabb
19:59:49 <Zakim> +linda
19:59:50 <Payam> zakim, aaaa is Cory
19:59:50 <MattPerry> zakim, aabb is me
19:59:50 <Zakim> +Cory; got it
19:59:50 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
19:59:52 <ChrisLittle> ChrisLittle has joined #sdw
19:59:58 <JoshLieberman> JoshLieberman has joined #SDW
19:59:58 <Zakim> + +34.65.631.aacc
19:59:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:00:01 <cory_henson> zakim, aaaa is Cory
20:00:01 <Zakim> sorry, cory_henson, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
20:00:16 <eparsons> zakim, who is here?
20:00:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see eparsons, phila, Payam, Christine_Perey, armin, Cory, MattPerry, linda, +34.65.631.aacc, [IPcaller]
20:00:16 <phila> zakim, who is here?
20:00:18 <aharth> aharth has joined #sdw
20:00:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see JoshLieberman, ChrisLittle, cory_henson, cperey, ahaller2, Linda, IanH, Simon, ocorcho, MattPerry, Payam, RaulGarciaCastro, Clemens, eparsons, DanhLePhuoc, RRSAgent,
20:00:19 <Zakim> ... Zakim, phila, trackbot
20:00:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see eparsons, phila, Payam, Christine_Perey, armin, Cory, MattPerry, linda, +34.65.631.aacc, [IPcaller]
20:00:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see JoshLieberman, ChrisLittle, cory_henson, cperey, ahaller2, Linda, IanH, Simon, ocorcho, MattPerry, Payam, RaulGarciaCastro, Clemens, eparsons, DanhLePhuoc, RRSAgent,
20:00:23 <Zakim> ... Zakim, phila, trackbot
20:00:34 <Zakim> + +49.151.152.9.aadd
20:00:34 <ocorcho> zakim, +34.65.631.aacc is me
20:00:35 <Zakim> + +61.3.925.2.aaee
20:00:35 <Zakim> +ocorcho; got it
20:00:36 <Ashok_Malhotra> Ashok_Malhotra has joined #sdw
20:00:37 <Zakim> +JoshLieberman
20:00:45 <Zakim> +chrislittle
20:00:49 <Manolis_Koubarakis> Manolis_Koubarakis has joined #sdw
20:00:56 <Payam> zakim, aaaa is Cory/cory_henson
20:00:56 <Zakim> sorry, Payam, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
20:00:56 <phila> zakim, [ is Ingo
20:00:57 <Zakim> +Ingo; got it
20:01:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:01:08 <ramon-alcarria> ramon-alcarria has joined #sdw
20:01:16 <Ingo__> Ingo__ has joined #sdw
20:01:22 <jtandy> jtandy has joined #sdw
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20:01:31 <aharth> zakim, i'm [IPcaller]
20:01:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'i'm [IPcaller]', aharth
20:01:35 <aharth> zakim, [IPcaller]
20:01:35 <Zakim> I don't understand '[IPcaller]', aharth
20:01:37 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
20:01:37 <aharth> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
20:01:38 <Zakim> +aharth; got it
20:01:47 <Zakim> + +1.301.560.aaff
20:01:55 <phila> zakim, who is here?
20:01:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see eparsons, phila, Payam, Christine_Perey, armin, Cory, MattPerry, linda, ocorcho, Ingo, +49.151.152.9.aadd, +61.3.925.2.aaee, JoshLieberman, chrislittle, aharth,
20:01:58 <Zakim> ... Ashok_Malhotra, +1.301.560.aaff
20:01:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see KJano, jtandy, Ingo__, ramon-alcarria, Manolis_Koubarakis, Ashok_Malhotra, aharth, JoshLieberman, ChrisLittle, cory_henson, cperey, armin, Linda, IanH, Simon, ocorcho,
20:01:58 <Zakim> ... MattPerry, Payam, RaulGarciaCastro, Clemens, eparsons, DanhLePhuoc, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, trackbot
20:02:12 <Zakim> +??P20
20:02:13 <Zakim> +??P19
20:02:15 <BartvanLeeuwen> BartvanLeeuwen has joined #sdw
20:02:18 <JoshLieberman> JoshLieberman is me
20:02:26 <jtandy> zakim, ??P19 is me
20:02:26 <Zakim> +jtandy; got it
20:02:33 <cory_henson> zakim, Cory is me
20:02:33 <Zakim> +cory_henson; got it
20:02:34 <chaals> chaals has joined #sdw
20:02:43 <Simon> zakim, aaee is me
20:02:43 <Zakim> +Simon; got it
20:02:43 <Payam> zakim,  s/Cory/cory_henson
20:02:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 's/Cory/cory_henson', Payam
20:02:45 <phila> zakim, who is here?
20:02:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see eparsons, phila, Payam, Christine_Perey, armin, cory_henson, MattPerry, linda, ocorcho, Ingo, +49.151.152.9.aadd, Simon, JoshLieberman, chrislittle, aharth,
20:02:48 <Zakim> ... Ashok_Malhotra, +1.301.560.aaff, ??P20, jtandy
20:02:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see chaals, BartvanLeeuwen, KJano, jtandy, Ingo__, ramon-alcarria, Manolis_Koubarakis, Ashok_Malhotra, aharth, JoshLieberman, ChrisLittle, cory_henson, cperey, armin,
20:02:48 <Zakim> ... Linda, IanH, Simon, ocorcho, MattPerry, Payam, RaulGarciaCastro, Clemens, eparsons, DanhLePhuoc, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, trackbot
20:02:50 <LarsG> LarsG has joined #sdw
20:02:55 <phila> zakim, aadd is Clemens
20:02:55 <Zakim> +Clemens; got it
20:02:56 <jtandy> zakim, mute me
20:02:57 <Zakim> jtandy should now be muted
20:03:03 <jtandy> zakim, unmute me
20:03:06 <Zakim> jtandy should no longer be muted
20:03:08 <Zakim> +??P21
20:03:11 <chaals> zakim, code?
20:03:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 73994 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chaals
20:03:17 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p21 is me
20:03:17 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
20:03:39 <phila> zakim, aaff is George Percival
20:03:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaff is George Percival', phila
20:03:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:03:43 <phila> zakim, aaff is George_Percival
20:03:43 <Zakim> +George_Percival; got it
20:03:53 <chaals> zakim, [ip is chaals
20:03:53 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
20:03:57 <cperey> zakim, mute me
20:03:57 <Zakim> sorry, cperey, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
20:04:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:04:04 <chaals> scribe: chaals
20:04:05 <percivall> percivall has joined #sdw
20:04:11 <jtandy> +jtandy
20:04:21 <cperey> zakim, 8159 is me
20:04:21 <Zakim> sorry, cperey, I do not recognize a party named '8159'
20:04:21 <phila> zakim, Christine_Perey is cperey
20:04:22 <Zakim> +cperey; got it
20:04:23 <Payam> zakim, Cory is cory_henson
20:04:24 <Zakim> +cory_henson; got it
20:04:37 <chaals> agenda?
20:04:51 <phila> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150128
20:04:51 <eparsons> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150128
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20:05:16 <Zakim> +??P25
20:05:24 <chaals> EP: Minutes have been published.
20:05:34 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-sdw-minutes.html Last week's minutes
20:05:40 <chaals> Topic: More introductions
20:05:42 <phila> zakim, who is noisy?
20:05:47 <cperey> zakim, unmute
20:05:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', cperey
20:05:48 <LarsG> zakim, p25 is me
20:05:48 <Zakim> sorry, LarsG, I do not recognize a party named 'p25'
20:05:52 <aharth> q+
20:05:53 <Zakim> phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: eparsons (16%), chrislittle (15%), ??P25 (78%)
20:05:55 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
20:05:57 <cperey> zakim, unmute me
20:05:57 <Zakim> cperey was not muted, cperey
20:06:01 <Simon> +q
20:06:01 <chaals> EP: If you didn't introduce yourself last eek, please queue up now
20:06:03 <LarsG> zakim, please mute me
20:06:03 <Zakim> sorry, LarsG, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
20:06:09 <phila> zakim, ??P25 is LarsG
20:06:09 <Zakim> +LarsG; got it
20:06:15 <phila> zakim, mute LarsG
20:06:15 <Zakim> LarsG should now be muted
20:06:19 <ChrisLittle> q+
20:06:21 <chaals> GeorgePercivall: OGC staff, joining for the first time
20:06:35 <chaals> ChristinePeret: Joining from Switzerland
20:06:45 <phila> q?
20:06:53 <chaals> MattP: On SPARQL group
20:07:07 <BartvanLeeuwen> q?
20:07:12 <Zakim> + +1.805.722.aagg
20:07:14 <chaals> Kevin: Sent email introduction to the list.
20:07:14 <eparsons> q?
20:07:14 <jtandy> s/ChristinePeret/Christine Perey/
20:07:24 <chaals> ack next
20:07:47 <chaals> AH: Question  on minutes. Attendee list may not be complete -is that a problem?
20:07:48 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego has joined #sdw
20:07:53 <Zakim> -LarsG
20:07:56 <jtandy> (agreed - it seemed incomplete)
20:08:02 <chaals> EP: Don't think so...
20:08:12 <chaals> PA: If people are not listed please tell me and I will correct that.
20:08:24 <chaals> … Please check and let me know.
20:08:27 <eparsons> ack next
20:08:35 <aharth> phila: please add me :)
20:08:47 <Zakim> +??P28
20:08:48 <chaals> [In IRC you can type "Present+ MyName" (no spaces!) and you will be added]
20:08:49 <ThiagoA> ThiagoA has joined #sdw
20:08:56 <ramon-alcarria> phila: please add me too
20:08:59 <AndreaPerego> zakim, ??P28 is me
20:08:59 <Zakim> +AndreaPerego; got it
20:09:02 <eparsons> ack next
20:09:04 <AndreaPerego> zakim, mute me
20:09:04 <Zakim> AndreaPerego should now be muted
20:09:09 <chaals> Present+ Chaals
20:09:14 <aharth> Present+ AndreasHarth
20:09:19 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
20:09:26 <jtandy> (jtandy not listed in last week's minutes)
20:09:27 <ioannis> chaals - I attended last week's call
20:09:28 <eparsons> ack next
20:09:32 <chaals> SimonCox: Introduced mysefl by email yesterday. Last week I was slacking on the beach.
20:09:40 <KJano> zakim, +1.805.722.aagg is me
20:09:40 <Zakim> + +35385740aahh
20:09:40 <Zakim> +KJano; got it
20:09:49 <chaals> ChrisLittle: Chair of MetOcean domain group, Met office in UK.
20:09:50 <eparsons> ack next
20:09:51 <ThiagoA> Good Afternoon
20:09:56 <DanhLePhuoc> +35385740aahh is me, DanhLePhuoc
20:10:02 <chaals> s/Good Afternoon//
20:10:16 <chaals> BVL: Been a W3C member for linked data work.
20:10:21 <eparsons> q?
20:10:24 <chaals> … will send intro to the mailing list.
20:10:32 <Zakim> + +30210756aaii
20:10:37 <chaals> Topic: Review the charter
20:10:42 <Zakim> +??P29
20:10:56 <LarsG> zakim, ??P29 is me
20:10:56 <Zakim> +LarsG; got it
20:11:03 <percivall> test, disregard
20:11:03 <phila> zakim, who is noisy?
20:11:04 <chaals> -> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/charter Our charter.
20:11:04 <LarsG> zakim, please mute me
20:11:04 <Zakim> LarsG should now be muted
20:11:15 <Zakim> phila, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: +35385740aahh (4%), +30210756aaii (35%)
20:11:41 <chaals> EP: The charter identifies what we are trying to do. I don't propose changing it now, but want to focus on the deliverables - especially use cases and requirements.
20:11:52 <chaals> s/test, disregard//
20:12:13 <chaals> … It is important to focus on solving real problems. The best approach is to work on use cases, and find teh requirements that come from them.
20:12:15 <chaals> q+
20:12:25 <jtandy> q+
20:12:28 <chaals> … Is there a view on the scope and size of successful use case work?
20:12:29 <ChrisLittle> q+
20:12:29 <armin> s/teh/the
20:12:32 <chaals> ack me
20:12:33 <eparsons> ack next
20:12:35 <Zakim> + +44.790.122.aajj
20:12:39 <eparsons> q?
20:12:44 <eparsons> ack next
20:13:22 <phila> chaals: You start by laying out all the UCs that people can think of
20:13:38 <phila> ... then you review the, REquirements then drop out almost by magic
20:13:52 <phila> ed: Any idea of the right number? A coupe of dozen?
20:14:22 <phila> chaals: That's a good number. It's about tnalking about problems that people actually have rather than invent UCs that never actually arise. There is not ideal number
20:14:35 <chaals> i/chaals: you/scribe: phila
20:14:35 <KJano> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Use_Cases_%26_Requirements
20:14:40 <AndreaPerego> s/review the,/review the UCs,/
20:14:41 <chaals> scribe: chaals
20:14:57 <KJano> yes, will contribute
20:14:59 <AndreaPerego> s/REquirements/requirements/
20:15:07 <Simon> Yes, will contribute
20:15:08 <ocorcho> q+
20:15:11 <chaals> EP: We have a couple of use cases already, I plan to add a few from the perspective of a mas-market search provider. Are there others expecting to add use cases?
20:15:17 <ocorcho> q-
20:15:17 <Linda> yes, probably
20:15:17 <cory_henson> yes, will contribute
20:15:23 <armin> s/tnalkin/talking
20:15:27 <LarsG> yes, I will contribute a use case
20:15:29 <ocorcho> UPM (OEG) will contribute
20:15:36 <jtandy> +1 to work toward f2f
20:15:41 <AndreaPerego> s/coupe of/couple of/
20:15:42 <Simon> +1
20:15:44 <chaals> EP: What about timelines. Should we ask for them to be done before the face to face?
20:15:45 <chaals> +1
20:15:46 <KJano> +1
20:15:49 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:15:50 <Payam> +1
20:15:50 <Clemens> good for me
20:15:50 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
20:15:52 <armin> s/talkingg/talking
20:15:52 <Linda> +1
20:15:58 <JoshLieberman> There will be use cases to contribute from the OGC Testbed 11 activity and they will have to be done by March
20:15:58 <chaals> s|http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Use_Cases_%26_Requirements|-> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Use_Cases_%26_Requirements Use cases wiki|
20:15:58 <MattPerry> +1
20:16:01 <LarsG> not sure I can make f2f
20:16:05 <armin> +1
20:16:23 <chaals> EP: Will talk about the face to face, but think it is a good timline for getting use cases together.
20:16:27 <armin> can't make the f2f :-(
20:16:33 <ChrisLittle> +1
20:16:35 <AndreaPerego> s/timline/timeline/
20:16:37 <KJano> I would propose that each use case includes an example
20:16:46 <chaals> … I think it makes sense to create use cases that are not related to you but that you can consider through discussions with other organisations.
20:16:50 <Simon> I also won't make f2f but plan to dial-in
20:16:58 <eparsons> q?
20:17:02 <chaals> … There may well be a task required to boil down the use cases somewhat.
20:17:02 <AndreaPerego> +1 to KJano
20:17:07 <phila> q+
20:17:07 <KJano> same, here will dial-in for the f2f
20:17:18 <phila> q-
20:17:31 <jtandy> (lost audio ... will dial back in)
20:17:34 <Zakim> -jtandy
20:17:37 <chaals> … If use cases don't appear we might try to give action items.
20:17:44 <chaals> … Is it useful to do other work in parallel?
20:17:46 <Zakim> - +30210756aaii
20:17:49 <chaals> … any views?
20:17:52 <eparsons> q?
20:17:53 <ocorcho> I prefer getting first the use cases
20:17:56 <JoshLieberman> q+
20:17:58 <Clemens> q+
20:18:02 <eparsons> ack next
20:18:02 <KJano> in the w3c ssn-xg we collected related and relevant work in the wiki and that turned out to be very useful
20:18:36 <Zakim> +??P19
20:18:40 <eparsons> q?
20:18:42 <chaals> JL: My experience is that statistical approach to use cases isn't very effective. It works better to let each @@@ inform the other.
20:18:52 <jtandy> zakim, ??P19 is me
20:18:52 <Zakim> +jtandy; got it
20:18:54 <chaals> … The most valuable use cases connect a real activity with a reasonable scope.
20:18:56 <phila> q+ to talk about BPs
20:19:15 <chaals> EP: Suggesting more qualitative than statistical approach. But is there work to do before we get use cases together?
20:19:30 <Zakim> -jtandy
20:19:32 <chaals> JL: Yes, think there is some in the charter.
20:19:33 <eparsons> ack next
20:19:46 <chaals> s/each @@@/deliverables and use cases/
20:20:18 <chaals> SC: Don't think we should postpone the discussion. Should get use cases from real backgrounds for the discussion
20:20:37 <chaals> … but we can run the discussions in parallel. But should have a set of use cases before we make decisions.
20:20:43 <chaals> EP: Support that.
20:20:48 <eparsons> ack next
20:20:49 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about BPs
20:21:02 <Zakim> +??P19
20:21:03 <jtandy> zakim, ??P19 is me
20:21:03 <Zakim> +jtandy; got it
20:21:14 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#bp-template DWBP
20:21:17 <chaals> PhilA: I think use cases are going to be slightly ahead, but when writing a use case it is useful to have a clear idea of wher we are heading.
20:21:34 <LarsG> s/wher/where/
20:21:45 <chaals> s/DWBP/Template for Best Practises group use cases.
20:22:07 <chaals> … The work we do has influenced the use case, helping to write them in a way that helps do the work.
20:22:14 <chaals> … These documents can be iterated over time.
20:22:25 <jtandy> q+ to suggest that use cases would be good to include real data within their examples (we can use these for test cases later)
20:22:29 <ChrisLittle> q+
20:22:29 <eparsons> ack next
20:22:30 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to suggest that use cases would be good to include real data within their examples (we can use these for test cases later)
20:22:32 <ChrisLittle> q
20:22:32 <chaals> … But having some idea of where you are heading enables you to write use cases well.
20:22:44 <eparsons> q?
20:22:55 <chaals> JT: When writing use cases, focus on tangible things and using real data is helpful.
20:23:16 <eparsons> ack next
20:23:21 <chaals> EP: It is good having a link to a real customer.
20:23:54 <ThiagoA> I´m back
20:24:07 <chaals> CL: My use cases reflect different aspects - more of a scenario you can break down into use cases. Sometimes scenarios give some framework to contextualise several use cases, which help define something of a roadmap as you shake it down to concrete requirements.
20:24:46 <chaals> EP: Sometimes we come to use cases from our own perspective, and need to get the different views included. With a breadth of use cases we might be able to mitigate the biases.
20:24:54 <eparsons> q?
20:24:55 <chaals> zakim, who is making noise?
20:25:06 <Zakim> chaals, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: eparsons (93%), Simon (18%), chrislittle (14%), +35385740aahh (9%)
20:25:20 <chaals> EP: Suggest we work toward the deadline of the first face to face.
20:25:26 <chaals> Topic: First F2F meeting
20:25:47 <phila> -> http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/1503tc OGC TC details
20:26:00 <eparsons> q?
20:26:02 <chaals> EP: WIll be helld joiuntly with the OGC meeting in Barcelona in March. HAs everyone been able to see the details needed to register? If you are not an OGC member everything should be publicly avialable.
20:26:09 <chaals> s/avia/avai/
20:26:16 <AndreaPerego> s/helld/held/
20:26:20 <ChrisLittle> q+
20:26:29 <eparsons> ack next
20:26:33 <chaals> … Our meeting will be all day on Wednesday. We'll work on the agenda over the next few weeks.
20:26:35 <LarsG> s/HAs/has/
20:26:36 <AndreaPerego> s/joiuntly/jointly/
20:26:43 <Simon> sorry - was typing
20:26:46 <chaals> … It is good to get people to see each other.
20:26:53 <AndreaPerego> s/HAs/Has/
20:27:05 <JoshLieberman> Simon, thought it was castanets...
20:27:06 <AndreaPerego> s/WIll/Will/
20:27:13 <chaals> CL: OGC is very busy, and there are several things going on in parallel. So it will be difficult to make it. We should pin down the agenda to help.
20:27:23 <chaals> EP: Think it will be a learning experience.
20:27:37 <JoshLieberman> Possibility of F2F on the Friday, after TC activities?
20:27:49 <eparsons> q?
20:27:50 <chaals> … There is a different tempo of meetings between OGC and W3C. Latter has whole-day [NdelT or multi-day] meetings.
20:27:53 <Simon> In support of ChrisLittle statement - OGC TC not good for more than 1/2 day meeting
20:28:13 <chaals> CL: GML and JP? are scheduled so far, 3D working group, …
20:28:36 <Simon> For real work, other timings should be considered.
20:28:54 <chaals> EP: There isn't much we can do about it. There is an ideal of running joint meetings, but this will be a learning experience. Maybe we will end up holding meetings at the end of the week...
20:28:58 <eparsons> q?
20:29:03 <chaals> … are there issues with getting registered?
20:29:22 <phila> zakim, who is here?
20:29:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see eparsons, phila, Payam, cperey, armin, cory_henson.a, MattPerry, linda, ocorcho, Ingo, Clemens, Simon, JoshLieberman, chrislittle, aharth, Ashok_Malhotra,
20:29:25 <Zakim> ... George_Percival, ??P20, BartvanLeeuwen, chaals, [IPcaller], KJano, AndreaPerego (muted), +35385740aahh, LarsG (muted), +44.790.122.aajj, jtandy
20:29:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see ThiagoA, AndreaPerego, ioannis, percivall, LarsG, chaals, BartvanLeeuwen, KJano, jtandy, Ingo__, Ramon_Alcarria, Manolis_Koubarakis, Ashok_Malhotra, aharth,
20:29:26 <AndreaPerego> Tentative OGC TC agenda, including SDW WG f2f: http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/1503tcagenda
20:29:29 <Zakim> ... JoshLieberman, ChrisLittle, cory_henson, cperey, armin, Linda, IanH, Simon, ocorcho, MattPerry, Payam, RaulGarciaCastro, Clemens, eparsons, DanhLePhuoc, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila,
20:29:29 <Zakim> ... trackbot
20:29:35 <jtandy> q+ to ask what level of detail you need for the f2f
20:29:38 <chaals> EP: That's the agenda. I cannot make call next week, but my co-chair will.
20:30:04 <phila> q+ to be boring about zakim names etc.
20:30:09 <phila> ack jtandy
20:30:09 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask what level of detail you need for the f2f
20:30:28 <chaals> JT: Is the level of detail enough to triage what I have added to use cases, or should I add more?
20:31:04 <chaals> EP: Not sure. Think they may be a little light, but don't want to ask for massive amounts of effort. It might help if people add detail to them as we go - perhaps for now we should aim for depth, and flesh them out later.
20:31:11 <chaals> … What is your sense?
20:31:48 <chaals> JT: For requirements to magically be clear we are going to have to add some more detail to what we have. But recommend we start aiming for breadth, and look at what appears to have common issues, then elaborate.
20:31:52 <Zakim> +??P26
20:31:55 <chaals> … rather than elaborating everything in parallel.
20:31:59 <chaals> EP: Agree
20:32:05 <chaals> +1 to Jeremy
20:32:15 <chaals> q?
20:32:20 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q use the why how what principle for UC
20:32:28 <eparsons> ack next
20:32:29 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to be boring about zakim names etc.
20:32:29 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q to use the why how what principle for UC
20:32:31 <ocorcho> zakim, ocorcho is OscarCorcho
20:32:31 <Zakim> +OscarCorcho; got it
20:32:37 <Zakim> -??P26
20:32:40 <eparsons> q?
20:32:44 <eparsons> ack next
20:32:45 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to use the why how what principle for UC
20:33:18 <Percivall> Percivall has joined #sdw
20:33:27 <chaals> BVL: Wanted to add the idea of using the How Why What. Use cases can get technical. We need to know what needs to be solved and why, rather than How...
20:34:09 <chaals> … and we need to make sure the use cases are actually in scope.
20:34:13 <eparsons> q?
20:34:17 <eparsons> ack next
20:34:21 <chaals> TOpic: administrivia
20:34:29 <chaals> s/TOp/Top/
20:34:45 <chaals> PhilA: Useful approach is to have specific questions we want to ask.
20:34:45 <phila> are specifically relevant to data published on the Web;
20:34:46 <phila> encourage publication or re-use of data on the Web;
20:34:46 <phila> can be tested by machines, humans or a combination of the two.
20:35:07 <chaals> … would need to be amended for this group, but the approach is really helpful.
20:35:36 <chaals> EP: Sounds great. Can you append that to the Wiki page?
20:35:48 <chaals> PhilA: If we agree on what the questions need to be for this group…
20:35:52 <Zakim> -jtandy
20:36:18 <Zakim> +??P19
20:36:24 <chaals> First question - for this group we want…
20:36:46 <phila> PROPOSAL: That the first scope question be ... Is the use case specifically about Spatial data on the Web?
20:36:48 <Zakim> +??P26
20:36:52 <jtandy> zakim, ??P26 is me
20:36:52 <Zakim> +jtandy; got it
20:36:56 <chaals> +1
20:36:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
20:36:59 <Zakim> -??P19
20:37:01 <eparsons> +1
20:37:03 <Linda> +1
20:37:04 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:37:06 <KJano> +1
20:37:10 <LarsG> what about temporal data?
20:37:10 <MattPerry> +1
20:37:11 <jtandy> +1
20:37:14 <ChrisLittle> +1
20:37:18 <Payam> +1
20:37:23 <Clemens> +1
20:37:25 <KJano> spatial always includes spatiotemporal
20:37:33 <Ingo__> +1
20:37:40 <IanH> +1
20:37:44 <chaals> EP: There is a danger that we get tied up in the nuances of wording...
20:37:49 <Simon> Located temporal
20:37:49 <Ashok_Malhotra> +1
20:37:49 <ThiagoA> temporal data on the web ?
20:37:59 <armin> we do need use cases for the time ontology
20:37:59 <eparsons> q?
20:38:01 <LarsG> +1, just wanted to know...
20:38:10 <DanhLePhuoc> +!
20:38:16 <DanhLePhuoc> +1
20:38:27 <LarsG> resolved for me
20:38:30 <phila> RESOLVED: That the first scope question be ... Is the use case specifically about Spatial data on the Web?
20:38:52 <phila> 2nd q is encourage publication or re-use of data on the Web;
20:38:56 <KJano> so does the resolution include spatiotemporal or not?
20:38:58 <chaals> [Phila uses this as a teaching moment]
20:39:19 <chaals> [Spatial includes spatiotemporal since all spatial data includes spatiotemporal data]
20:39:24 <jtandy> q+
20:39:26 <KJano> yes, thanks
20:39:30 <eparsons> ack next
20:39:36 <chaals> PA: What's the equivalent question for this group?
20:39:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
20:40:04 <chaals> JT: This question was specific to the data on the web group. For spatial data you get a very amorphous requirement...
20:40:21 <chaals> zakim, who is making noise?
20:40:35 <Zakim> chaals, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: eparsons (54%), linda (3%), chrislittle (15%)
20:40:41 <chaals> … don't think this question gets tight enough for our purposes.
20:40:47 <Zakim> -Ingo
20:40:58 <eparsons> q?
20:41:00 <chaals> EP: THis is for data you are trying to share. No?
20:41:08 <chaals> JT: On a higher level, yes.
20:41:39 <jtandy> ok
20:41:42 <chaals> … OK with the question in its broader sense, but not sure it is specific enough to help.
20:41:46 <eparsons> ack next
20:41:50 <jtandy> (sorry - poor network connection I think)
20:41:56 <chaals> [+1 to parking this question for now]
20:42:12 <chaals> BVL: Question with scope - the *public* web?
20:42:14 <KJano> q+
20:42:27 <ChrisLittle> q+
20:42:35 <chaals> q+ to suggest that the private web is still the web.
20:42:35 <eparsons> q?
20:42:37 <Percivall> Is the use case specifcally about how spatial information is linked with other data on the Web?
20:42:38 <phila> q+ to talk about open/closed Web (hint - they're the same)
20:42:59 <JoshLieberman> f+1 to Percivall
20:43:11 <eparsons> ack next
20:43:16 <chaals> BVL: I think DWBP group is specific to publc web, I want to use web technology that may not be public.
20:43:22 <cperey> +1 to remark ed made
20:43:31 <chaals> KJ: We shouldn't be overly specific on this call.
20:43:32 <cperey> this is not about public web
20:43:33 <LarsG> s/publc/public/
20:43:48 <chaals> … Should be driven by use cases.
20:43:59 <chaals> … if we have great use cases for something we should do it…
20:44:04 <eparsons> q?
20:44:06 <KJano> q-
20:44:08 <eparsons> ack next
20:44:29 <phila> q-
20:44:34 <JoshLieberman> breathers please mute
20:44:44 <chaals> CL: Don't see distinction between public web and others. But the issue is tightening the scope. We want things published, but we want them to be interoperable.
20:44:48 <eparsons> q?
20:44:54 <eparsons> ack next
20:44:55 <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to suggest that the private web is still the web.
20:45:07 <chaals> CMN +1 to Chris
20:45:10 <phila> q+ to talk about spatial/Geospatial
20:45:18 <Percivall> q+
20:45:18 <cperey> +1 to consistent use of Web technologes
20:45:21 <eparsons> q?
20:45:27 <chaals> s/CMN/CMN:
20:45:27 <phila> ack me
20:45:27 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about spatial/Geospatial
20:45:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 as well ;)
20:45:44 <chaals> PhilA: No difference between public and closed web.
20:45:47 <eparsons> q?
20:46:20 <KJano> just to make my point more clear: lets not use this call so sort out whether spatial also includes geospatial, or even geo-data on the web as such or whether by web we only mean the public web,etc. Lets be driven by the uses cases and derive requirements from them.
20:46:20 <chaals> … Someone mentioned spatial and geospatial - the point is that we were talking about non-geo use cases.
20:46:33 <chaals> [+1 to non-geospatial use cases being in scope]
20:46:39 <KJano> +1
20:46:44 <eparsons> +1
20:46:46 <Zakim> -??P20
20:46:46 <LarsG> +1
20:46:51 <ocorcho> +1
20:46:56 <KJano> q+
20:46:56 <chaals> … we cannot tackle things we don't have someone working on. Decisions are made by people who turn up…
20:47:05 <eparsons> ack next
20:47:10 <armin> s/so sort/to sort
20:47:29 <chaals> GP: Use case about spatial information linked to other information on the web
20:47:36 <Simon> +1 Percivall
20:47:37 <KJano> q-
20:47:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> +10 Percivall
20:48:03 <chaals> EP: How about not trying to be too prescriptiive up front - work on them first, then check them.
20:48:07 <Simon> Linking is distinguishing feature of 'the web'
20:48:13 <KJano> +1 for use cases first
20:48:19 <AndreaPerego> +1 to Ed
20:48:21 <eparsons> ack next
20:48:27 <jtandy> (phila's point that "can be tested by machines, humans or a combination of the two." is good)
20:48:44 <phila> zakim, who is here?
20:48:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see eparsons, phila, Payam, cperey, armin, cory_henson.a, MattPerry, linda, OscarCorcho, Clemens, Simon, JoshLieberman, chrislittle, aharth, Ashok_Malhotra,
20:48:47 <Zakim> ... George_Percival, BartvanLeeuwen, chaals, [IPcaller], KJano, AndreaPerego (muted), +35385740aahh, LarsG (muted), +44.790.122.aajj, jtandy
20:48:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Percivall, ThiagoA, AndreaPerego, ioannis, LarsG, chaals, BartvanLeeuwen, KJano, jtandy, Ramon_Alcarria, Manolis_Koubarakis, Ashok_Malhotra, aharth, JoshLieberman,
20:48:49 <chaals> EP: OK. Let's go do work on use cases.
20:48:51 <Zakim> ... ChrisLittle, cory_henson, cperey, armin, Linda, IanH, Simon, ocorcho, MattPerry, Payam, RaulGarciaCastro, Clemens, eparsons, DanhLePhuoc, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, trackbot
20:49:01 <Zakim> +??P9
20:49:07 <chaals> … Any other business?
20:49:30 <chaals> [Adjourned until next week]
20:49:32 <jtandy> thanks chaals for scribing; thanks ed for chairing
20:49:45 <phila> zakim, who is here?
20:49:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see eparsons, phila, Payam, cperey, armin, cory_henson.a, MattPerry, linda, OscarCorcho, Clemens, Simon, JoshLieberman, chrislittle, aharth, Ashok_Malhotra,
20:49:49 <Zakim> ... George_Percival, BartvanLeeuwen, chaals, [IPcaller], KJano, AndreaPerego (muted), +35385740aahh, LarsG (muted), +44.790.122.aajj, jtandy, ??P9
20:49:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see Percivall, ThiagoA, AndreaPerego, ioannis, LarsG, chaals, BartvanLeeuwen, KJano, jtandy, Ramon_Alcarria, Manolis_Koubarakis, Ashok_Malhotra, aharth, JoshLieberman,
20:49:52 <Zakim> ... ChrisLittle, cory_henson, cperey, armin, Linda, IanH, Simon, ocorcho, MattPerry, Payam, RaulGarciaCastro, Clemens, eparsons, DanhLePhuoc, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, trackbot
20:50:19 <eparsons> thanks chaals
20:50:35 <DanhLePhuoc> +35385740aahh is me
20:50:43 <cperey> bye bye everyone
20:50:46 <phila> zakim, aahh is DanhLePhuoc
20:50:46 <Zakim> +DanhLePhuoc; got it
20:51:40 <DanhLePhuoc> Zakim, +35385740aahh is me
20:51:41 <Zakim> sorry, DanhLePhuoc, I do not recognize a party named '+35385740aahh'
20:51:55 <ioannis> [IPCaller] is me
20:51:56 <KJano> -1
20:52:03 <cperey> -1
20:52:05 <aharth> +1
20:52:05 <armin> +1
20:52:06 <eparsons> +1 to later
20:52:07 <LarsG> -1
20:52:07 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:52:10 <Ramon_Alcarria> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
20:52:10 <Zakim> +Ramon_Alcarria; got it
20:52:11 <Simon> +1 1/2 hour later
20:52:12 <ChrisLittle> -1
20:52:14 <cperey> -1 late enough
20:52:15 <Linda> -1
20:52:17 <JoshLieberman> +1
20:52:19 <cory_henson> +1
20:52:20 <chaals> 0
20:52:23 <BartvanLeeuwen> 0
20:52:23 <ocorcho> 0
20:52:24 <jtandy> also late enough for me
20:52:27 <Payam> 0
20:52:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> why ?
20:52:27 <jtandy> +0
20:52:42 <BartvanLeeuwen> ;)
20:52:52 <chaals> i/[ipcaller is me]/Phil, can we move the call half an hour later?
20:52:58 <Simon> Good *morning* everyone
20:52:59 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx bye
20:53:00 <ChrisLittle> bye
20:53:02 <AndreaPerego> Bye bye
20:53:04 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
20:53:04 <Payam> bye
20:53:05 <Linda> bye!
20:53:06 <ocorcho> bye
20:53:08 <KJano> thx bye bye
20:53:08 <ioannis> bye
20:53:08 <armin> bye
20:53:09 <Zakim> - +44.790.122.aajj
20:53:09 <MattPerry> bye
20:53:09 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:53:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/28-sdw-minutes.html phila
20:53:10 <Zakim> -aharth
20:53:10 <Zakim> -chrislittle
20:53:10 <LarsG> good *night*
20:53:10 <Clemens> bye
20:53:11 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
20:53:12 <Zakim> -cory_henson.a
20:53:13 <Zakim> -OscarCorcho
20:53:13 <JoshLieberman> bye
20:53:14 <Zakim> -KJano
20:53:15 <Zakim> -armin
20:53:16 <Zakim> -George_Percival
20:53:16 <Zakim> -Simon
20:53:17 <Zakim> -Payam
20:53:17 <Zakim> -jtandy
20:53:17 <Ramon_Alcarria> goodbye everybody!
20:53:18 <Zakim> -Ramon_Alcarria
20:53:18 <Zakim> -MattPerry
20:53:18 <Zakim> -phila
20:53:19 <Zakim> -linda
20:53:20 <Zakim> -DanhLePhuoc
20:53:21 <Zakim> -chaals
20:53:22 <eparsons> By all
20:53:23 <Zakim> -Clemens
20:53:29 <Zakim> -AndreaPerego
20:53:36 <Zakim> -LarsG
20:53:36 <Zakim> -JoshLieberman
20:53:41 <Zakim> -cperey
20:53:49 <phila> meeting: SDW WG Weekly
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20:53:55 <Zakim> -eparsons
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20:54:19 <Zakim> -??P9
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20:54:21 <Zakim> Attendees were eparsons, phila, armin, +1.412.390.aaaa, Payam, +1.603.521.aabb, linda, MattPerry, +49.151.152.9.aadd, +61.3.925.2.aaee, JoshLieberman, chrislittle, Ingo,
20:54:21 <Zakim> ... Ashok_Malhotra, aharth, +1.301.560.aaff, jtandy, cory_henson, Simon, Clemens, BartvanLeeuwen, George_Percival, chaals, cperey, LarsG, AndreaPerego, +35385740aahh, KJano,
20:54:22 <Zakim> ... +30210756aaii, +44.790.122.aajj, OscarCorcho, DanhLePhuoc, Ramon_Alcarria
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20:54:34 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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