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16:51:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference
16:51:32 <trackbot> Date: 28 January 2015
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17:01:31 <npdoty> chair: schunter
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17:01:41 <moneill2> zakim, [IPCaller] is me
17:01:41 <Zakim> +moneill2; got it
17:01:41 <npdoty> regrets+ dsinger, justin
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17:03:26 <npdoty> agenda for January 28: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2015Jan/0004.html
17:03:27 <Zakim> +??P60
17:03:32 <Zakim> +hefferjr
17:03:33 <schunter> Zakim, ??P60 is schunter
17:03:33 <Zakim> +schunter; got it
17:03:38 <WileyS> I hear no one on the call - is it working?
17:03:53 <WileyS> I hear typing now - I guess we're good
17:04:08 <WileyS> Thank you Nick
17:04:13 <fielding> TPE changes since LCWD are diffed at http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/diffs/TPE-LCWD-to-20141217.html
17:04:33 <npdoty> Compliance changes since WD are diffed at http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2014%2FWD-tracking-compliance-20141125%2F&doc2=http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/tracking-compliance.html
17:04:43 <npdoty> scribenick: npdoty
17:04:52 <Zakim> +Chris_Pedigo
17:04:56 <npdoty> schunter: welcome back. agenda for today, looking at TPE review and then Compliance
17:05:01 <npdoty> … any comments for the agenda?
17:06:06 <npdoty> Topic: TPE changes
17:06:13 <npdoty> schunter: ask fielding to walk us through the changes
17:06:27 <npdoty> … goal is moving to next step, Candidate Recommendation
17:06:44 <npdoty> … give the group two weeks to review, if the changes are okay, then would like to move this to Candidate Recommendation
17:06:46 <fielding> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/diffs/TPE-LCWD-to-20141217.html
17:07:41 <npdoty> fielding: this is a diff of changes from the Last Call draft
17:07:50 <npdoty> … slight change in wording about the HTTP specs
17:09:14 <npdoty> … line 433, in response to a comment, removed the %31 notation, everyone understands “1” and “0”
17:09:41 <Zakim> +Amy_Colando
17:09:59 <npdoty> … line 459, moved javascript property back to navigator
17:10:11 <npdoty> … based on discussion with browser folks
17:10:46 <npdoty> … “nullable” property, just clarifies
17:11:02 <npdoty> … added a note about possible extension text
17:11:20 <npdoty> … value for “G” was added, and a new section for a Gateway response
17:11:42 <schunter> q?
17:11:43 <npdoty> … (section hasn’t changed since last list discussion of that topic)
17:11:50 <WileyS> I haven't
17:12:02 <npdoty> … wileys, did you review that section?
17:12:05 <WileyS> But I don't believe my issues were significant enough to hold up the process
17:12:14 <fielding> section 6.2.4 of http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/tracking-dnt.html
17:12:59 <npdoty> fielding: 6.3.1, just a little more text to describe “G” as a potential answer
17:13:24 <npdoty> … 6.3.2 changed MAY to can because not interoperability requirement
17:13:53 <npdoty> … note about status-id resolution, which is a response to a Last Call comment
17:14:00 <Zakim> +WaltMichel
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17:14:36 <npdoty> … do we need a wider character set to allow in the well-known URL request?
17:14:43 <npdoty> … don’t currently see any reason to do so
17:15:40 <npdoty> … fixes in the references
17:16:31 <npdoty> … in exceptions API section, changes to improve the definitions of origin, based on conversations with browser folks
17:16:37 <npdoty> … definitions are much shorter, an improvement
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17:17:23 <npdoty> schunter: makes it easier to re-use algorithms. now points to existing references, RFCs and Recommendations
17:17:41 <npdoty> fielding: +1. just a terminology change, but makes it easier for implementers
17:18:34 <npdoty> … clarified later in that section that lack of exception might not imply DNT:1 (for example, if user generally sends nothing)
17:18:44 <Zakim> +WSeltzer
17:19:11 <npdoty> … in the StoreExceptionPropertyBag, added “expires” and “maxAge” parameters
17:19:15 <Zakim> -Amy_Colando
17:19:47 <npdoty> fielding: make it the same as what cookies are able to describe
17:20:32 <npdoty> … per moneill
17:20:36 <npdoty> … may have further comments on that
17:20:41 <npdoty> … (do we need both?)
17:21:20 <npdoty> … description of those parameters
17:21:35 <npdoty> … using referenced terminology, rfc6265
17:22:12 <npdoty> … in 7.6, changed to refer to DNT preference rather than header field (since it might be expressed through the DOM as well)
17:23:12 <npdoty> … suggestion about the use of a “t” qualifier for transferred consent
17:23:55 <npdoty> … addition from dsinger that claims are being made by the site and not the user agent
17:24:36 <npdoty> … “Nonetheless, at the time of the call”
17:25:00 <npdoty> … explanation of why the API doesn’t need a return value / asynchronous response
17:25:31 <npdoty> … additional references, others just moved around
17:25:37 <npdoty> schunter: any comments or questions?
17:25:40 <schunter> q?
17:25:52 <npdoty> q+
17:26:15 <npdoty> schunter: set a two-week deadline for comments
17:26:22 <schunter> ack np
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17:26:56 <wseltzer> npdoty: About the Gateway response, do we have any feedback from implementers or commenters?
17:27:09 <schunter> q?
17:27:22 <WileyS> I will in the next week
17:28:08 <wseltzer> npdoty: process points before transition to CR
17:28:14 <wseltzer> ... we need to respond to all LC comments
17:28:37 <wseltzer> ... and bring info to the Director, including potential responses from commenters
17:28:45 <fielding> Other things remaining for me: 1) mark DNT-extensions as at-risk; 2) look into changing the ABNF of representation to a more JSONish description (editorial)
17:28:53 <wseltzer> ... Group needs to decide it wants to move forward.
17:29:17 <wseltzer> ... So: we decide we want to move forward, present to director
17:29:51 <wseltzer> fielding: Editorial marking for "at-risk" features?
17:29:57 <wseltzer> ... For the DNT extension mechanism
17:30:04 <wseltzer> npdoty: I'll look into that
17:30:26 <wseltzer> schunter: In 2 weeks, we'll freeze the document.
17:30:52 <wseltzer> ... then go into CR transition
17:30:56 <WileyS> Are there any companies that have signed-up for candidate review?
17:31:03 <WileyS> What happens if no one signs up?
17:31:31 <WileyS> Actually implement DNT on the server side
17:32:10 <WileyS> And if no one implements?
17:32:31 <npdoty> npdoty: CR is a Call for Implementations, but you don’t have to commit to ahead of time
17:32:41 <npdoty> fielding: if nobody implements it, it won’t go to a full Rec
17:32:57 <WileyS> Thank you
17:32:59 <npdoty> +1, need implementations to progress further
17:33:08 <npdoty> Topic: Compliance
17:33:31 <wseltzer> scribenickk: wseltzer
17:33:45 <npdoty> scribenick: wseltzer
17:33:49 <npdoty> http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2014%2FWD-tracking-compliance-20141125%2F&doc2=http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/tracking-compliance.html
17:34:22 <wseltzer> npdoty: Diff between current ED and what we published in November as WD
17:35:02 <wseltzer> ... 1st significant change, sec 1 "Scope"
17:35:26 <wseltzer> ... Change proposals and comments addressed
17:35:36 <wseltzer> ... Issue-209
17:36:11 <wseltzer> ... Definitions: clarifying that party status is just with respect to a given user action
17:36:40 <wseltzer> ... Server compliance: changes in indicating compliance/non-compliance
17:37:12 <wseltzer> ... Added paragraph on DNT:0 (moved)
17:37:46 <wseltzer>  ... 1st party compliance, one-word change to fix an ambiguity I had introduced
17:38:15 <wseltzer> ... 3.3.1.3 ... use defined term "tracking data"
17:38:53 <wseltzer> ... 3,3,2,1 remove line so as not to duplicate requirement from general permitted uses
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17:39:26 <wseltzer> ... UGE, improve handling
17:39:57 <npdoty> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2014Dec/0028.html
17:39:57 <wseltzer> ... That was the full set of editorial corrections.
17:40:02 <Zakim> -moneill2
17:40:03 <wseltzer> ... Still a few comments in email
17:40:39 <npdoty> Perhaps we could change:
17:40:40 <npdoty> > A party MUST provide public transparency of the time periods for which data collected for permitted uses are retained.
17:40:41 <npdoty> to:
17:40:42 <npdoty> > A party MUST publicly describe definite time periods for which data collected for permitted uses are retained.
17:41:26 <npdoty> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2015Jan/0001.html
17:42:34 <wseltzer> ... don't think there's more to do on non-normative text
17:42:43 <wseltzer> ... welcome group's review
17:43:01 <Zakim> +??P15
17:43:42 <schunter> q?
17:43:45 <fielding> q+
17:43:59 <wseltzer> q?
17:44:13 <schunter> ack fie
17:44:15 <wseltzer> schunter: not yet to 2-week deadline
17:44:30 <wseltzer> fielding: there was an issue on server log files
17:44:47 <wseltzer> ... not sure if current text is sufficient to cover temporary log-file use
17:45:11 <npdoty> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/drafts/tracking-compliance.html#server-compliance
17:45:15 <wseltzer> npdoty: server compliance section
17:45:52 <wseltzer> fielding: does the text there cover, or are we waiting for more text?
17:45:58 <wseltzer> npdoty: I'm not anticipating more text
17:46:33 <wseltzer> fielding: I think it covers sufficientl
17:46:41 <wseltzer> ... chairs can do a call to close issue-134
17:46:45 <npdoty> +1
17:46:58 <wseltzer> schunter: other comments?
17:47:24 <wseltzer> fielding: the text in the document hasn't gotten any comments in a while
17:47:30 <wseltzer> issue-134?
17:47:30 <trackbot> issue-134 -- Would we additionally permit logs that are retained for a short enough period? -- open
17:47:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/134
17:47:44 <wseltzer> ... so I'd suggest chairs call to close issue-134.
17:48:37 <wseltzer> npdoty: still waiting for cfo response on isseu 235, 219
17:48:54 <wseltzer> ... several issues we've resolved or editorial, need to revirew with group
17:49:28 <npdoty> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Privacy/TPWG#Change_proposals
17:49:54 <fielding> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/products/5
17:49:57 <wseltzer> fielding: is this compliance current or compliance next?
17:50:01 <wseltzer> npdoty: Current
17:50:12 <npdoty> if the Tracker is out of date, that’s something we should ask Justin about
17:50:24 <wseltzer> schunter: we made some progress on CFOs
17:50:34 <wseltzer> issue-235?
17:50:34 <trackbot> issue-235 -- Auditability requirement in Reasonable Security section -- raised
17:50:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/235
17:50:49 <wseltzer> schunter: we determined consensus to remove auditability language
17:51:03 <wseltzer> issue-219?
17:51:03 <trackbot> issue-219 -- Limitations on use in a 3rd party context of data collected in a 1st party context -- raised
17:51:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/219
17:51:41 <wseltzer> schunter: whether parties can collect info as first parties and use in third-party context? We determined consensus not to permit 3d pty use of 1st pty data
17:51:50 <wseltzer> ... One important point, there can be UGE
17:52:01 <fielding> or prior consent
17:52:20 <wseltzer> ... that was closer to user expectations
17:53:03 <npdoty> yeah, we use “UGE” when we could more precisely refer to “user-granted exceptions, in band or out of band, or other prior consent”
17:53:11 <npdoty> I can make those changes to the draft this week
17:53:15 <schunter> q?
17:53:55 <wseltzer> schunter: interesting, on 219, Roy had objections to both cases, but there was no third option
17:53:57 <npdoty> and then have fewer issue blocks
17:54:41 <schunter> q?
17:54:44 <fielding> I reserve the right to object to sound proposals as well ;-)
17:54:55 <wseltzer> schunter: AOB?
17:55:26 <Zakim> -WaltMichel
17:55:28 <npdoty> q+
17:55:34 <schunter> ack n
17:56:13 <wseltzer> npdoty: take a couple weeks to review issue resolution, couple weeks to review document overall
17:56:20 <wseltzer> ... hope that's all we have left before LC
17:56:50 <schunter> q?
17:57:03 <Zakim> -WileyS
17:57:05 <Zakim> -kulick
17:57:05 <Zakim> -Chris_Pedigo
17:57:06 <Zakim> -Carl_Cargill
17:57:06 <Zakim> -??P15
17:57:07 <Zakim> -hefferjr
17:57:07 <wseltzer> [adjourned, meet again next week]
17:57:07 <Zakim> -[FTC]
17:57:09 <Zakim> -npdoty
17:57:09 <Zakim> -schunter
17:57:11 <Zakim> -dwainberg
17:57:18 <Zakim> -WSeltzer
17:57:19 <Zakim> -rvaneijk
17:57:24 <Zakim> -Fielding
17:57:25 <Zakim> T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM has ended
17:57:25 <Zakim> Attendees were npdoty, [FTC], Carl_Cargill, rvaneijk, moneill2, Fielding, WileyS, dwainberg, hefferjr, schunter, Chris_Pedigo, Amy_Colando, WaltMichel, kulick, WSeltzer
17:57:36 <npdoty> RRSAgent, please draft the minutes
17:57:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/28-dnt-minutes.html npdoty
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