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16:00:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HCLS
16:00:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
16:00:02 <trackbot> Date: 27 January 2015
16:00:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_HCLS()11:00AM already started
16:00:49 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Forsberg
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16:01:16 <Zakim> +DBooth
16:01:19 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
16:01:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.678.999.aaaa, Kerstin_Forsberg, DBooth
16:01:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see pknapp, rhausam, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, bpech, dbooth, twcook, egonw_, cloudcell_, ericP
16:01:40 <Zakim> +ericP
16:01:40 <Zakim> + +1.604.250.aabb
16:01:49 <Zakim> -ericP
16:01:49 <dbooth> zakim, aaaa is bpech
16:01:52 <Zakim> +bpech; got it
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16:02:05 <dbooth> zakim, aabb is pknapp
16:02:05 <Zakim> +pknapp; got it
16:02:10 <Zakim> + +1.801.949.aacc
16:02:24 <dbooth> zakim, aacc is rhausam
16:02:24 <Zakim> +rhausam; got it
16:02:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:02:29 <Zakim> +??P38
16:02:40 <dbooth> zakim, IPcaller is Lloyd
16:02:40 <Zakim> +Lloyd; got it
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16:03:09 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
16:03:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see bpech, Kerstin_Forsberg, DBooth, pknapp, rhausam, Lloyd, ??P38
16:03:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see GJiang, Lloyd, pknapp, rhausam, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, bpech, dbooth, twcook, egonw_, cloudcell_, ericP
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16:03:42 <Zakim> +Tony
16:03:49 <ericP> Zakim, ??P38 is me
16:03:49 <Zakim> +ericP; got it
16:04:03 <dbooth> zakim, ??P38 is GJiang
16:04:04 <Zakim> I already had ??P38 as ericP, dbooth
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16:04:20 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
16:04:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see bpech, Kerstin_Forsberg, DBooth, pknapp, rhausam, Lloyd, ericP, Tony
16:04:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ingebog, Kerstin, GJiang, Lloyd, pknapp, rhausam, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, bpech, dbooth, twcook, egonw_, cloudcell_, ericP
16:04:26 <GJiang> my area code is 507
16:04:28 <Zakim> +Ingeborg
16:04:48 <Zakim> + +1.510.418.aadd
16:04:48 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda#Agenda_for_27-Jan-2015
16:05:17 <dbooth> zakim, aadd is PeterHendler
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16:05:39 <dbooth> Topic: Approval of Minutes
16:05:48 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20150113
16:05:52 <dbooth> that's for Jan 13
16:06:33 <dbooth> David motions to approve Jan 13 minutes.  Seconded by Brian.
16:06:43 <dbooth> APPROVED: Jan 13 Minutes
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16:07:14 <dbooth> San Antonio minutes: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20150119
16:07:22 <dbooth> (wait for next week to approve that)
16:07:35 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR Ontology Requirements
16:07:42 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=FHIR_Ontology_Requirements
16:08:22 <Zakim> +??P20
16:08:38 <dbooth> zakim, ??P20 is Tony
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16:10:18 <dbooth> zakim, aaee is Darrell
16:10:18 <Zakim> +Darrell; got it
16:10:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:11:13 <dbooth> #8. User Friendly
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16:12:23 <dbooth> General agreement to drop this as a requirement.
16:12:36 <dbooth> #9. Datatype IRIs
16:12:53 <Zakim> + +33.1.73.71.aaff
16:14:07 <dbooth> Paul: Either have a single datatype or a complex type with multiple discrete components, and need to deal with them in different ways.
16:14:23 <dbooth> Guoqian: Question is whether to represent complex types in OWL.
16:14:35 <dbooth> Lloyd: We'll represent instances in RDF.
16:14:46 <dbooth> ... Even simple types in FHIR can have extensions.
16:15:00 <dbooth> ... Even primitives.
16:15:54 <dbooth> ... FHIR type called boolean in the schema is a complex element that includes pure xsd:boolean plus extensions.
16:16:26 <GJiang> http://hl7.org/implement/standards/FHIR-Develop/datatypes.html
16:16:28 <dbooth> Here's an example:  http://www.hl7.org/implement/standards/fhir/json.html
16:17:54 <dbooth> Make that a SHOULD.
16:18:00 <dbooth> #10. Articulate Value
16:19:09 <dbooth> Make this a separate goal of the group.
16:20:06 <dbooth> #11. Enable Inference
16:21:07 <dbooth> Peter: this should be a MUST
16:21:29 <dbooth> Claude: Enable of inference might be relevant to use cases that would be supported by inference.
16:22:02 <dbooth> shorten and make it a MUST.
16:22:20 <dbooth> #12. Common Model
16:24:01 <dbooth> Lloyd: Out of scope
16:24:06 <dbooth> Paul: Would help
16:24:13 <dbooth> David: Make it a COULD?
16:24:28 <dbooth> Guoqian: Not sure FHIR can cover all metadata and all vocabularies.
16:24:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
16:24:57 <dbooth> ... Common model would be very helpful.
16:25:25 <dbooth> ... We're using ISO11179 to manage that.  Should be complementary to this FHIR ontology.
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16:26:08 <dbooth> Lloyd: Separate project.
16:27:08 <dbooth> David: Complementary to this FHIR ontology, not a part of this FHIR ontology.
16:27:12 <dbooth> Darrell: Agree.
16:27:41 <Claude> What I meant is that having a FHIR ontology would enable a number of use cases where one could develop other ontologies where inferencing is possible. Depending on how the FHIR ontology is created, it might pose a constraint on inferencing at that layer.
16:27:50 <dbooth> Drop as requirement, but make a as separate project.
16:28:01 <dbooth> #13. Valid Against Schemas and Profiles
16:30:05 <dbooth> Roll that into #1.
16:30:15 <dbooth> #14. RDF Quality
16:31:25 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
16:31:51 <dbooth> Make this a MUST.
16:32:14 <Zakim> -Lloyd
16:32:50 <Zakim> -ericP
16:34:27 <dbooth> #4. Monotonic with Modifier Exensions
16:34:55 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
16:34:55 <dbooth> Claude: Might need to represent only the physical structure of FHIR in RDF, and then let other ontologies interpret the modifier extensions.
16:35:53 <dbooth> ... E.g., status=refuted.   RDF would just say that the statement is there, and then another ont coudl interpret the meaning of that.
16:37:05 <dbooth> Claude: Maybe add a requirement that we capture only the physical representation.
16:40:10 <dbooth> Tony: I've been trying to interpret the type from the expression.  The modifier will change the logic of the assignment of types to that instance.
16:40:32 <dbooth> ... Refuted would be a type in the tbox.  How do you have enough clues to link it to that type?
16:46:04 <dbooth> Claude: Example would be status, refuted or entered-in-error.
16:46:15 <dbooth> ... Can also say proposed, planned, etc.
16:46:26 <Zakim> -Darrell
16:46:51 <Zakim> +Darrell
16:47:18 <dbooth> Agreement on MUST
16:49:28 <Zakim> -Ingeborg
16:50:10 <dbooth> Guoqian: Suggestion: are we going to cover versioning of the FHIR ontology?  FHIR model is updated frequently?  Will we produce a single version of FHIR ontology, or track the FHIR models?
16:50:28 <dbooth> Paul: Given you've been handed an instance, how would you know which version to model into?
16:52:35 <dbooth> ISSUE: How to handle FHIR versioning?  Should FHIR ontology track the FHIR versions?  How do we know which version the instance data corresponds to?
16:52:35 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-2 - How to handle fhir versioning?  should fhir ontology track the fhir versions?  how do we know which version the instance data corresponds to?.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/issues/2/edit>.
16:52:53 <dbooth> Paul: Need to be able to express different versions of the RDF model.
16:53:35 <dbooth> David: If the FHIR instances themselves do not distinguish versions, then I don't see how the RDF can.
16:54:51 <Claude> I need to drop off but should we have a requirement that the ontology be auto-generatable from the FHIR specification?
16:58:17 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:58:26 <dbooth> Paul: I've suggested requiring that instance data indicate its intended profiles.
16:59:50 <dbooth> #5. Vocabulary Bindings
17:03:52 <Zakim> -bpech
17:04:45 <Zakim> - +33.1.73.71.aaff
17:04:47 <Zakim> -Tony
17:04:48 <Zakim> -pknapp
17:04:49 <Zakim> -Darrell
17:04:51 <Zakim> -DBooth
17:04:53 <Zakim> -Tony.a
17:04:55 <Zakim> -PeterHendler
17:04:55 <Zakim> -rhausam
17:04:55 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
17:04:55 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.678.999.aaaa, Kerstin_Forsberg, DBooth, ericP, +1.604.250.aabb, bpech, pknapp, +1.801.949.aacc, rhausam, Lloyd, Tony, Ingeborg, +1.510.418.aadd, PeterHendler,
17:04:56 <Zakim> ... +1.512.680.aaee, Darrell, [IPcaller], +33.1.73.71.aaff
17:07:36 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth and Paul Knapp
17:08:09 <dbooth> Leave as is
17:08:19 <dbooth> ADJOURNED
17:15:12 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:15:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/27-hcls-minutes.html dbooth
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18:11:38 <dbooth> Present: Claude_Nanjo Kerstin_Forsberg David_Booth EricP Brian_Pech Paul_Knapp Rob_Hausam Lloyd_McKenzie Tony_Mallia Ingeborg Guoqian_Jiang Peter_Hendler Darrell_Woelk
18:11:59 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
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