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15:58:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:58:18 <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015
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15:59:42 <mgylling> regrets: Phil, Deborah, Ivan, Luc
15:59:45 <tzviya> zakim, aaaa is tzviya
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16:00:55 <HeatherF> Ha!  Figured out my first zakim instruction!
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16:01:14 <tzviya> agenda
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16:01:17 <tzviya> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
16:01:17 <tzviya> * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
16:01:17 <tzviya> * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]
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16:02:16 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
16:02:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, MikeMiller, [Safari], Markus, tzviya, murakami, HeatherF, dauwhe, Stearns, +1.347.633.aabb, brady_duga, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, kwkbtr
16:02:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, Susann_Keohane, Julie, pkra, HeatherF, brady_duga, liza, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, murakami, tmichel, AH_Miller, clapierre1, kwkbtr, mgylling, Karen,
16:02:20 <Zakim> ... azaroth, dauwhe, mihnea_____, iank___, liam, astearns, dkaplan3, rego, plinss, trackbot
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16:03:02 <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
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16:03:36 <mgylling> zakim, 512 is Suzanne
16:03:36 <Zakim> sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named '512'
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16:03:44 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, aadd is Susann_Keohane
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16:04:11 <tzviya> minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
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16:04:27 <mgylling> Topic: approval of minutes from last week
16:04:27 <Zakim> +azaroth
16:04:34 <mgylling> Tzviya: minutes are approved
16:04:35 <liza> YEAH MINUTES!!!
16:04:37 <pkra1> those weren't last week's minutes?
16:04:37 <murakami> http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
16:04:38 <Vlad> Sorry, I am on the IRC only today
16:04:43 <tzviya> Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
16:04:43 <mgylling> Topic: use cases for Houdini
16:04:45 <dauwhe> https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
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16:05:02 <mgylling> Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these
16:05:13 <mgylling> zakim, aaee is Paul
16:05:13 <Zakim> sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee'
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16:05:29 <tmichel> zakim, ??P6 is me
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16:05:34 <tzviya> zakim, aaff is pbelfanti
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16:05:40 <tmichel> zakim, who is here?
16:05:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, MikeMiller, [Safari], Markus, tzviya, murakami, HeatherF, dauwhe, Stearns, Julie, brady_duga, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, kwkbtr, Susann_Keohane, TimCole,
16:05:44 <Zakim> ... ??P38, madi, azaroth, pbelfanti, tmichel
16:05:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vlad, pkra1, david_stroup, pbelfanti, ShaneM, TimCole, Bill_Kasdorf, Susann_Keohane, Julie, pkra, HeatherF, brady_duga, liza, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, murakami,
16:05:45 <Zakim> ... tmichel, AH_Miller, clapierre1, kwkbtr, mgylling, Karen, azaroth, dauwhe, mihnea_____, iank___, liam, astearns, dkaplan3, rego, plinss, trackbot
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16:05:49 <pbelfanti> *Paul waves back to Karen :)
16:05:53 <mgylling> Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact me and mention that we need to have these ready
16:06:04 <david_stroup> I'm 585.217
16:06:11 <mgylling> … I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more
16:06:23 <mgylling> … and we need to pull out those relating to personalization
16:06:24 <tzviya> q?
16:06:40 <mgylling> … working on pending action items as well
16:07:26 <mgylling> … still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?
16:07:47 <mgylling> … I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG
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16:08:14 <mgylling> Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this to if you are interested
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16:08:35 <mgylling> Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor is fine
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16:09:12 <mgylling> Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list
16:09:17 <tzviya> ack pkra
16:09:23 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester
16:09:57 <mgylling> pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG may be interested as well
16:10:17 <mgylling> … re Houdini
16:10:30 <mgylling> Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base
16:11:16 <mgylling> Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND personalization?
16:11:43 <dauwhe> pkra: have you seen https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be great.
16:11:51 <mgylling> Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding anything new
16:12:29 <mgylling> Tzviya: we have persinalization use cases already… [scrolling] …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything
16:12:40 <mgylling> s/persin/person/
16:13:02 <mgylling> … Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone want to help?
16:13:10 <mgylling> Liza: I can do it
16:13:34 <astearns> inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime style modifications, it may open new avenues for personalization
16:13:39 <tzviya> q?
16:13:41 <mgylling> Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week
16:14:03 <mgylling> dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie people
16:14:13 <mgylling> … I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom
16:14:19 <tzviya>  https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
16:14:32 <murakami> Printing is also usecase of Houdini.
16:14:37 <tzviya> http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
16:14:41 <mgylling> Topic: packaging on the web document
16:16:44 <tzviya> markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging for the web document
16:16:45 <mgylling> q?
16:17:29 <tzviya> ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIMI
16:17:39 <tzviya> s/MIMI/MIME
16:18:13 <mgylling> q?
16:18:17 <tzviya> ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions
16:19:25 <liza> Skinnier jeans?
16:19:43 <tzviya> brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected because people were interested only in zip
16:20:13 <tzviya> ...it's a little odd that this came out without consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was needed
16:20:22 <mgylling> q?
16:20:28 <tzviya> markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed draft
16:20:32 <tzviya> q+
16:21:14 <tzviya> markus: the idea of native support in browsers is important
16:21:18 <mgylling> ack Tzviya
16:22:45 <dauwhe> q+
16:22:52 <mgylling> ack dauwhe
16:23:30 <tzviya> tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but information beyond content
16:23:48 <tzviya> ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...
16:24:22 <tzviya> ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not the simplest option
16:24:38 <tzviya> ...Proprietary options are becoming available
16:24:56 <tzviya> dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't understand packaging
16:25:18 <tzviya> q+
16:25:33 <mgylling> ack Tzviya
16:26:13 <mgylling> Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant really take off
16:26:54 <mgylling> Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background
16:27:08 <tzviya> dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is being done now and read some background material
16:27:32 <tzviya> markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version available for background
16:27:58 <tzviya> ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind
16:28:05 <tzviya> brady: I will send it out
16:28:28 <tzviya> markus: we will do a coordinated IG response
16:29:22 <astearns> I'll definitely review
16:29:30 <tzviya> reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan
16:30:26 <tzviya> markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging for Web
16:30:34 <tzviya> q?
16:30:43 <mgylling> Scribe: Markus
16:31:12 <mgylling> Heather: will review i18n documentation
16:31:30 <pkra1> q+
16:31:34 <mgylling> ack pkra
16:31:35 <tzviya> ack pkra
16:32:13 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
16:32:14 <mgylling> pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please take a look so that we rollout next month as planned
16:32:19 <pkra1> thx
16:32:44 <HeatherF> thanks
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16:51:01 <dauwhe> good luck with snowpocalpyzillageddon all you east coast folks!
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