IRC log of dpub on 2015-01-26
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be dpub
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- ok, trackbot, I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM already started
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- Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
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- Date: 26 January 2015
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- +Markus
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- regrets: Phil, Deborah, Ivan, Luc
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- zakim, aaaa is tzviya
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- +tzviya; got it
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- +??P17
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- zakim, ??P17 is me
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- +murakami; got it
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, IPcaller is me
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- +HeatherF; got it
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- +dauwhe
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- Ha! Figured out my first zakim instruction!
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- agenda
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- * Approval of last week's minutes [1]
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- * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
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- * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]
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- +Bill_Kasdorf
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- +pkra
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- Zakim, ??P31 is me
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- +kwkbtr; got it
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- zakim, aacc is me
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- +brady_duga; got it
- 16:02:16 [mgylling]
- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see clapierre, MikeMiller, [Safari], Markus, tzviya, murakami, HeatherF, dauwhe, Stearns, +1.347.633.aabb, brady_duga, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, kwkbtr
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- On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, Susann_Keohane, Julie, pkra, HeatherF, brady_duga, liza, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, murakami, tmichel, AH_Miller, clapierre1, kwkbtr, mgylling, Karen,
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- ... azaroth, dauwhe, mihnea_____, iank___, liam, astearns, dkaplan3, rego, plinss, trackbot
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- scribe: mgylling
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- +TimCole
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- zakim, aabb is Julie
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- +Julie; got it
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- zakim, 512 is Suzanne
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- sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named '512'
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- +??P38
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- zakim, aadd is Susann_Keohane
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- +Susann_Keohane; got it
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- minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html
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- +madi
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- 16:04:27 [mgylling]
- Topic: approval of minutes from last week
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- +azaroth
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- Tzviya: minutes are approved
- 16:04:35 [liza]
- YEAH MINUTES!!!
- 16:04:37 [pkra1]
- those weren't last week's minutes?
- 16:04:37 [murakami]
- http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html
- 16:04:38 [Vlad]
- Sorry, I am on the IRC only today
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- Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)
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- Topic: use cases for Houdini
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- https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
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- Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these
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- zakim, aaee is Paul
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- sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee'
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- +??P6
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- zakim, ??P6 is me
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- +tmichel; got it
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- zakim, aaff is pbelfanti
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- +pbelfanti; got it
- 16:05:40 [tmichel]
- zakim, who is here?
- 16:05:40 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see clapierre, MikeMiller, [Safari], Markus, tzviya, murakami, HeatherF, dauwhe, Stearns, Julie, brady_duga, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, kwkbtr, Susann_Keohane, TimCole,
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- ... ??P38, madi, azaroth, pbelfanti, tmichel
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- On IRC I see Vlad, pkra1, david_stroup, pbelfanti, ShaneM, TimCole, Bill_Kasdorf, Susann_Keohane, Julie, pkra, HeatherF, brady_duga, liza, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, murakami,
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- ... tmichel, AH_Miller, clapierre1, kwkbtr, mgylling, Karen, azaroth, dauwhe, mihnea_____, iank___, liam, astearns, dkaplan3, rego, plinss, trackbot
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- 16:05:49 [pbelfanti]
- *Paul waves back to Karen :)
- 16:05:53 [mgylling]
- Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact me and mention that we need to have these ready
- 16:06:04 [david_stroup]
- I'm 585.217
- 16:06:11 [mgylling]
- … I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more
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- … and we need to pull out those relating to personalization
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- q?
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- … working on pending action items as well
- 16:07:26 [mgylling]
- … still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?
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- … I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG
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- Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this to if you are interested
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- Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor is fine
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- +q
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- zakim, IPCaller is me
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- +bjdmeest; got it
- 16:09:12 [mgylling]
- Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list
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- ack pkra
- 16:09:23 [bjdmeest]
- Present+ Ben_De_Meester
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- pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG may be interested as well
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- … re Houdini
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- Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base
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- Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND personalization?
- 16:11:43 [dauwhe]
- pkra: have you seen https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be great.
- 16:11:51 [mgylling]
- Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding anything new
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- Tzviya: we have persinalization use cases already… [scrolling] …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything
- 16:12:40 [mgylling]
- s/persin/person/
- 16:13:02 [mgylling]
- … Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone want to help?
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- Liza: I can do it
- 16:13:34 [astearns]
- inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime style modifications, it may open new avenues for personalization
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- q?
- 16:13:41 [mgylling]
- Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week
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- dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie people
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- … I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom
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- https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout
- 16:14:32 [murakami]
- Printing is also usecase of Houdini.
- 16:14:37 [tzviya]
- http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
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- Topic: packaging on the web document
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- markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging for the web document
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- q?
- 16:17:29 [tzviya]
- ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIMI
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- s/MIMI/MIME
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- q?
- 16:18:17 [tzviya]
- ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions
- 16:19:25 [liza]
- Skinnier jeans?
- 16:19:43 [tzviya]
- brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected because people were interested only in zip
- 16:20:13 [tzviya]
- ...it's a little odd that this came out without consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was needed
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- q?
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- markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed draft
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- q+
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- markus: the idea of native support in browsers is important
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- ack Tzviya
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- q+
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- ack dauwhe
- 16:23:30 [tzviya]
- tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but information beyond content
- 16:23:48 [tzviya]
- ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...
- 16:24:22 [tzviya]
- ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not the simplest option
- 16:24:38 [tzviya]
- ...Proprietary options are becoming available
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- dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't understand packaging
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- q+
- 16:25:33 [mgylling]
- ack Tzviya
- 16:26:13 [mgylling]
- Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant really take off
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- Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background
- 16:27:08 [tzviya]
- dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is being done now and read some background material
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- markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version available for background
- 16:27:58 [tzviya]
- ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind
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- brady: I will send it out
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- markus: we will do a coordinated IG response
- 16:29:22 [astearns]
- I'll definitely review
- 16:29:30 [tzviya]
- reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan
- 16:30:26 [tzviya]
- markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging for Web
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- q?
- 16:30:43 [mgylling]
- Scribe: Markus
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- Heather: will review i18n documentation
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- q+
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- ack pkra
- 16:31:35 [tzviya]
- ack pkra
- 16:32:13 [tzviya]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/
- 16:32:14 [mgylling]
- pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please take a look so that we rollout next month as planned
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- thx
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- thanks
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-minutes.html mgylling
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- good luck with snowpocalpyzillageddon all you east coast folks!
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- Attendees were clapierre, MikeMiller, [Safari], Markus, +1.201.387.aaaa, tzviya, murakami, HeatherF, dauwhe, Stearns, +1.347.633.aabb, +1.760.889.aacc, Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, kwkbtr,
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- ... brady_duga, +1.512.596.aadd, TimCole, Julie, Susann_Keohane, +1.201.783.aaee, madi, azaroth, +1.201.783.aaff, tmichel, pbelfanti, +1.585.217.aagg, bjdmeest
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