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14:00:50 <fsasaki> meeting: LD4LT CG
14:00:58 <fsasaki> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2015Jan/0013.html
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14:02:52 <fsasaki> present+ kevin, andrea, gabriela, john, jorge, felix, marta, martin, victor
14:05:38 <fsasaki> present+ sebastian
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14:07:59 <fsasaki> present+ MTCarrasco, Riccardo & Fahad, Penny
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14:08:06 <victor> who
14:08:07 <victor> finger
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14:08:45 <fsasaki> scribe: victor
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14:09:27 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:09:32 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/open
14:09:33 <jgracia> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/open
14:09:50 <fsasaki> action-11?
14:09:50 <trackbot> action-11 -- David Lewis to Gather info on how to provide more detailed mapping from meta-share to dcat -- due 2014-07-24 -- OPEN
14:09:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/11
14:09:53 <Sebastian> Rough agenda:
14:09:55 <Sebastian>  1. Review of open actions [1] 2. Summary of the state of the Metashare OWL model  (see [2]) 3. Brief introduction to LingHub [3] by John  4. Alignment between both (see [4]) 5. Namespace of the model (see [5]) 6. Next deadlines for the model   [1] http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/open [2] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15SE4_qAqYFostmD52uKxpkCPZh1f5TrPeoXKNTlDYpQ/edit#gid=525162452 [3] http://linghub.lider-project.eu [4] http://[CUT]
14:10:07 <victor> TOPIC: review of pending actions to do
14:10:23 <fsasaki> s/topic: action items//
14:10:34 <fsasaki> close action-11
14:10:34 <trackbot> Closed action-11.
14:10:43 <fsasaki> action-12?
14:10:43 <trackbot> action-12 -- Penny Labropoulou to Capture list of parameters that may be relevant for a skos classification -- due 2014-08-07 -- OPEN
14:10:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/12
14:11:40 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/Using_SKOS_for_classification_information
14:11:49 <fsasaki> close action-12
14:11:49 <trackbot> Closed action-12.
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14:12:09 <victor> pennyl: Regarding action 12, see this reference: https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/Using_SKOS_for_classification_information
14:12:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
14:12:52 <fsasaki> action-13?
14:12:52 <trackbot> action-13 -- Penny Labropoulou to Update google doc with licenses -- due 2015-01-15 -- OPEN
14:12:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/13
14:12:58 <fsasaki> close action-13
14:12:58 <trackbot> Closed action-13.
14:13:05 <victor> close action12
14:13:07 <fsasaki> chair: jorge
14:14:14 <fsasaki> action-14?
14:14:14 <trackbot> action-14 -- Jorge Gracia to Send email around about preferences and possibilities for namespace of the model -- due 2015-01-15 -- OPEN
14:14:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/14
14:14:20 <fsasaki> close action-14
14:14:20 <trackbot> Closed action-14.
14:14:28 <fsasaki> action-15?
14:14:28 <trackbot> action-15 -- Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel to Contact john for getting statistics on the use of licenses to select more relevant eamples -- due 2015-01-15 -- OPEN
14:14:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/15
14:15:07 <fsasaki> close action-15
14:15:07 <trackbot> Closed action-15.
14:15:12 <fsasaki> action-16?
14:15:12 <trackbot> action-16 -- Víctor Rodríguez-Doncel to Send to the list a call for further examples -- due 2015-01-15 -- OPEN
14:15:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/track/actions/16
14:15:42 <fsasaki> victor: have informed odrl people on this, got some feedback
14:15:48 <fsasaki> .. keep action open
14:16:16 <victor> (thanks Felix!)
14:16:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
14:16:52 <jgracia> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15SE4_qAqYFostmD52uKxpkCPZh1f5TrPeoXKNTlDYpQ/edit#gid=525162452
14:17:37 <fsasaki> topic: Summary of the state of the Metashare OWL model
14:24:42 <victor> the URL for the wikis can be found here:
14:25:07 <victor> https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/Metashare_vocabulary_for_licenses
14:27:04 <victor> While some examples can be seen here: https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/Examples
14:27:41 <victor> john wonders about the need and origin of the spreadsheet at googledocs
14:28:22 <victor> the spreadsheet was originated from Marta's work, as a convenient document to discuss
14:29:00 <victor> jgracia: some problems had to be solved and improved
14:29:42 <victor> john: should the document be closed?
14:30:19 <victor> sebastian: metashare is at a certain stable state, but the people behind it feel the schema has to be innovated
14:30:39 <victor> pennyl: agrees
14:31:21 <victor> pennyl: the problems discussed at ld4lt lists are actual problems of the metashare community
14:32:00 <victor> sebastian: will there be a new version of metashare?
14:32:19 <victor> pennyl: yes, partly based on ld4lt input
14:33:55 <victor> john: based on linghub info, a better structured document can be done rather than the spreadsheet
14:35:41 <victor> john: I already referred some of this on an email sent Monday
14:35:45 <Sebastian> http://www.essepuntato.it/lode
14:37:49 <victor> victor: I believe the spreadsheet is only an intermediate document for discussion
14:38:06 <victor> jgracia: but it was agreed to leave the document open also for others to read it
14:39:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
14:40:06 <victor> pennyl: at least some of the properties are ill-defined, or at least they do not match Metashare's
14:40:48 <victor> jgracia: maybe there are other sources, specially for terms not handled by Metashare
14:41:57 <victor> john will offer statsitics on the use of the different elements
14:42:09 <jgracia> action: john to produce a new google doc and owl based on the real use of the MS model in the data
14:42:12 <trackbot> 'john' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., johnjudge, jmccrae).
14:42:27 <jgracia> action: jmccrae to produce a new google doc and owl based on the real use of the MS model in the data
14:42:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Produce a new google doc and owl based on the real use of the ms model in the data [on John McCrae - due 2015-01-29].
14:43:40 <jgracia> topic: Brief introduction to LingHub
14:43:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
14:44:16 <victor> john: Linghub is an attempt to bring together differently sourced language resources into a single aligned model
14:44:18 <jgracia>  http://linghub.lider-project.eu
14:44:44 <jgracia> under construction yet
14:45:11 <jgracia> topic: Alignment between both
14:45:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
14:46:58 <jgracia>  different catalogs (CLARIN, MS, ..) still not well aligned
14:47:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
14:48:54 <victor> jgracia: please send feedback on linghub.
14:50:00 <victor> pennyl: will the linghub-metashare alignment change based on our current work?
14:50:21 <riccardo> lremap is on the way to be totally LOD-ed
14:50:42 <victor> pennyl: and some misalignment has been detected, for example regarding the version of CC-ZERO licenses
14:50:44 <riccardo> we can't interact since our mic just went break
14:51:29 <riccardo> hi its riccardo from pisa here!
14:51:39 <victor> hello Riccardo
14:51:40 <jgracia> hi riccardo
14:51:45 <riccardo> hi all
14:51:56 <victor> is there anything I should mention aloud in the voice discussion?
14:52:15 <riccardo> I did not hear what john said about lremap..
14:52:24 <riccardo> could u repeat or write down?
14:52:25 <victor> jgracia: the new vocabulary we create should be reflected on linghub
14:52:40 <jmccrae> riccardo I said you never answered me about what exact license you used
14:52:43 <victor> jmccrae: but we should better stick to W3C standards
14:53:22 <riccardo> it's true, that's a pity from me. But 4 sure what is lodded now is totally free
14:53:47 <jmccrae> are IRC chats legally binding... I wonder ;)
14:54:44 <victor> jgracia: Riccardo informs that LREMap is fully loaded
14:54:48 <riccardo> yes, it is 2014 is lodded and free. :)
14:54:53 <jgracia> topic: Namespace of the model
14:54:56 <fsasaki> jmccrae, there is a patent policy, but so far no legal binding IRC policy - room for develpment :)
14:54:57 <jmccrae> penny, all, please report issues with LingHub here: https://github.com/liderproject/linghub/issues
14:55:07 <jgracia> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ld4lt/2015Jan/0011.html
14:56:22 <victor> TOPIC: namespaces
14:57:14 <victor> jgracia: W3C is not the best domain for its possibly lenghty bureachratic procedures
14:57:46 <jgracia> maybe purl the best option
14:58:06 <victor> fsasaki: by W3C it wouldnt be that difficult, if needed.
14:59:08 <victor> sebastian: which would be the relationship with metashare?
15:00:18 <victor> fsasaki: agree, namespace hosting must be further discussed
15:01:15 <victor> pennyl: people recognize the metashare model, so regardles its hosting, the metasheare "seal" is widely recognized and should be kept somewhere
15:01:31 <jgracia> sebastian: w3c is more neutral
15:01:33 <victor> sebastian: but w3c is (and has to be) neutral
15:02:59 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri
15:03:10 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/ns/ssss
15:03:22 <fsasaki> "ssss"
15:03:34 <victor> ACTION: fsasaki to setup a namespace document
15:03:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Setup a namespace document [on Felix Sasaki - due 2015-01-29].
15:03:55 <fsasaki> "ssss is a short string not causing confusion, alarm, or embarrassment. For instance, the short string should not cause confusion when used in both http://www.w3.org/TR/ssss and http://www.w3.org/ns/ssss URIs."
15:04:01 <fsasaki> (above are the requirements)
15:04:11 <victor> jgracia: is there any objection?
15:04:31 <victor> fsasaki: we dont have to decide today
15:06:04 <victor> close action-15
15:06:04 <trackbot> Closed action-15.
15:06:20 <victor> jgracia: we have also to choose a name instead of the ssss
15:06:59 <victor> jgracia: we leave this for the next call
15:07:31 <victor> topic: Deadlines for the model definition
15:07:41 <victor> TOPIC: Deadlines for the model definition
15:07:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
15:09:30 <victor> jgracia: 2 weeks for having the new version based on linhub by John, 4 weeks from now to incorporate the modifications and improvements into John's version, 6 weeks from now for having collected feedback.
15:09:46 <fsasaki> +1 for the schedule
15:09:58 <victor> (nobody opposes)
15:10:02 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/Main_Page#LD4LT_calls
15:10:25 <victor> jgracia: the next telco is not about the Metashare topic, but a 10 mins slot to assess progress is possible
15:10:52 <fsasaki> [next call would be 19 February, main topic is LIDER roadmap]
15:10:56 <victor> sebastian: agree, but please not too long
15:11:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki
15:11:57 <victor> jgracia: any other business?
15:12:30 <MTCarrasco> bye
15:12:30 <victor> thanks all, bye
15:17:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-ld4lt-minutes.html fsasaki