14:44:12 RRSAgent has joined #dap 14:44:12 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-dap-irc 14:44:14 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:44:14 Zakim has joined #dap 14:44:16 Zakim, this will be DAP 14:44:16 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes 14:44:17 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 14:44:17 Date: 22 January 2015 14:44:41 fjh_ has joined #dap 14:55:16 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Jan/0023.html 14:55:30 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279; agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Jan/0023.html 14:56:08 fjh_ has joined #dap 14:58:15 zakim, code? 14:58:15 the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh 14:58:38 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 14:58:45 +[IPcaller] 14:58:57 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 14:59:04 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 14:59:26 Regrets+ Tobie_Langel 14:59:30 zakim, ipcaller is me 14:59:31 +fjh; got it 15:00:19 Regrets+ Mats_Wichmann 15:00:27 zakim, who is here? 15:00:27 On the phone I see fjh 15:00:29 On IRC I see fjh_, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Andrey_Logvinov, richt, Josh_Soref, tobie_, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot 15:00:32 anssik has joined #dap 15:00:36 ScribeNick: fjh 15:01:10 +??P15 15:01:15 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 15:01:20 zakim, ??P15 is me 15:01:20 +anssik; got it 15:01:30 zakim, who's on the call 15:01:30 I don't understand 'who's on the call', anssik 15:01:41 + +1.276.791.aaaa 15:01:44 zakim, who is here? 15:01:44 On the phone I see fjh, anssik, +1.276.791.aaaa 15:01:45 On IRC I see anssik, fjh_, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Andrey_Logvinov, richt, Josh_Soref, tobie_, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot 15:02:01 +gmandyam 15:02:35 gmandyam has joined #dap 15:02:51 edna_morales has joined #dap 15:03:11 Present+ Edna_Morales 15:03:30 zakim, aaaa is edna_morales 15:03:30 +edna_morales; got it 15:03:51 zakim, who is here? 15:03:51 On the phone I see fjh, anssik, edna_morales, gmandyam 15:03:53 On IRC I see edna_morales, gmandyam, anssik, fjh_, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Andrey_Logvinov, richt, Josh_Soref, tobie_, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot 15:05:25 Topic: Welcome, scribe selection, agenda review, announcements 15:06:19 DAP Charter extended to 31 Dec 2015: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Dec/0019.html 15:06:19 Trust & Permissions Community Group started: http://www.w3.org/community/trustperms/ 15:06:20 Change of affiliation https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Jan/0021.html 15:07:11 my email is now w3c@fjhirsch.com 15:07:56 fjh: welcome to Edna who joined the groupworking on Apache Cordova alignment 15:08:07 edna_morales: working on Apache Cordova alignment 15:08:17 fjh: thanks to Lisa for her work and thanks for you joining 15:08:39 anssik: the Cordova work has been helpful, looking forward to you coordinating this effort 15:09:22 Topic: Minutes approval 15:09:30 Approve minutes from 11 December 2014 15:09:30 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Dec/att-0009/minutes-2014-12-11.html 15:10:02 q+ 15:10:27 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 11 December 2014 are approved 15:10:36 ack anssik 15:11:59 Topic: Vibration API 15:12:08 PR review period completed (20 Jan 2015), next step is REC. 15:12:26 fjh: transition request has been made 15:13:12 anssik: thanks for helping with publication 15:13:51 fjh: thanks for the quick editing and resolving the potential issues cleanly 15:14:20 + +7.495.974.aabb 15:15:26 zakim, where is 495? 15:15:26 sorry, I do not know where North American dialing code 1.495 is, fjh 15:15:31 zakim, +7.495.974.aabb is Andrey_Logvinov 15:15:31 +Andrey_Logvinov; got it 15:16:02 action: fjh to check on process for publishing REC, does group need to prepare snapshot 15:16:03 Created ACTION-726 - Check on process for publishing rec, does group need to prepare snapshot [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2015-01-29]. 15:16:12 fjh: I believe the team handles this entirely, but will confirm 15:16:28 -anssik 15:16:31 Topic: Audio Output Devices API (Media Capture TF) 15:16:41 mats has joined #dap 15:16:56 +??P15 15:16:57 Please respond to CfC to publish FPWD 15:17:00 zakim, ??P15 is me 15:17:00 +anssik; got it 15:17:07 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Jan/0020.html 15:17:46 fjh: assume there are no concerns 15:17:59 gmandyam: discussed at TPAC, no issues at this point 15:18:21 gmandyam: needs to be way of targeting different capture devices when multiple are attached, thus more applicable to PC not handset 15:18:45 Topic: Wake Lock API 15:18:53 CfC to publish FPWD completed: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Jan/0022.html 15:19:02 Open CfC for WD publication: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Jan/0014.html 15:21:04 fjh: we have agreed to publish FPWD but waiting to agree on WD publication method for doing so 15:21:26 fjh: this should use automation and forms to simplify WD publication, reducing team and editor work and allowing more frequent WD updates 15:21:46 fjh: will try with one spec first, since this is new and we need to see how well it works 15:22:06 fjh: my understanding is that not every ED becomes a WD, rather the editor initiates the process when ready 15:22:14 … so in some sense not that different from current practice 15:22:31 anssi: are other groups using this 15:22:40 fjh: webapps has agreed to try with one spec, but this is new 15:22:47 anssi: want to try once ready 15:23:19 fjh: please comment on list if any concerns with spec 15:23:22 Topic: Generic Sensor API 15:23:31 Reviewed in November, see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Nov/0018.html 15:23:51 Dom followed up by creating Repo, Tobie populated with initial proposal from Rick. 15:24:04 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Jan/0029.html -> Tobie's status update re Generic Sensor API 15:24:08 fjh: asked about status, Tobie responded on list, discussion is happening on git, he will send a summary 15:24:34 fjh: have of Tim and Boris joining DAP 15:24:45 s/have of/status of/ 15:25:00 action: anssik to contact Tim and Boris re joining DAP 15:25:00 Created ACTION-727 - Contact tim and boris re joining dap [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2015-01-29]. 15:25:15 anssi: both are at google, already a member 15:26:02 gmandyam: shouldn’t git discussion be on WG public list, not on github issues list 15:26:09 q+ 15:26:13 fjh: agree, general discussion should be on public list 15:26:24 gmandyam: how to get transferred over to list 15:27:49 q? 15:27:58 ack anssik 15:28:35 fjh: we should shift it over to the public list, will respond to Tobie also mention it to Dom 15:29:22 anssik: discussed this with team, not too concern 15:29:28 s/too// 15:29:37 s/concern/concern with that team member/ 15:29:46 anssik: concrerned about forking discussion 15:30:14 fjh: we can handle this in a social manner, should happen naturally as this comes together 15:31:27 fjh: we want to be inclusive of the entire DAP WG membership, not have outside group make decisions independently 15:31:57 gmandyam: do not want to revisit issues later by having clear procedures up front 15:32:16 action: fjh to discuss github issue process with Dom 15:32:16 Created ACTION-728 - Discuss github issue process with dom [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2015-01-29]. 15:32:22 -anssik 15:33:31 fjh: it is great that Tobie notified us of the status and offered to create a summary, that should be very helpful 15:33:51 Topic: HTML Media Capture 15:33:58 +??P15 15:34:03 zakim, ??P15 is me 15:34:03 +anssik; got it 15:34:13 Proposed resolution re test case issue resolution: not change draft text, update manual test instructions and results. See: 15:34:14 test status - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Jan/0005.html ( Zhiqiang ) 15:34:28 responses to removing MUST: 15:34:29 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Jan/0007.html (Chaals) 15:34:30 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Jan/0010.html (Nick) 15:34:30 proposed action, update test case to clarify manual steps in testing , see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Jan/0012.html (Anssi) 15:35:06 fjh: is this your understanding as well, that we make no change to spec, and update test case to clarify manual tests 15:35:10 anssik: yes 15:35:19 … lots of manual tests elsewhere 15:35:46 … will ask owner to update test information, and will also update tests and produce results 15:36:49 action: zhiquiang to update test case to clarify manual testing and to run tests and update results related to ACTION-723 15:36:49 Error finding 'zhiquiang'. You can review and register nicknames at . 15:37:16 action: zhiqiang to update test case to clarify manual testing and to run tests and update results related to ACTION-723 15:37:16 Created ACTION-729 - Update test case to clarify manual testing and to run tests and update results related to action-723 [on Zhiqiang Zhang - due 2015-01-29]. 15:38:10 fjh: anssi can you please talk with Zhiqiang and discuss this action with him 15:38:15 anssik: yes 15:38:26 Topic: Implementation updates? Battery, Proximity 15:38:31 fjh: any new implementation work 15:39:02 anssik: expect generic sensor api work to influence proximity, so should not try to advance this 15:39:19 … battery - are in good shape 15:39:23 fjh: only have one implementation 15:39:37 anssik: have chrome, mozilla implementation being updated 15:39:48 … should get more info through update 15:39:54 s/update/mozilla update/ 15:40:17 https://bugzil.la/1047119 -> Mozilla's Bug 1047119 - Update Battery Status API to match the latest spec 15:40:57 anssik: this now has an owner, which should be positive, however not clear on the timeline 15:41:50 … marcos is test coordinator, not sure he is available, need to check tests on this 15:42:05 … can ask Zhiqiang to see if can help 15:42:55 action: anssik to ask Zhiqiang to update the Battery test suite to match latest Battery Spec (coordinating with marcos) 15:42:56 Created ACTION-730 - Ask zhiqiang to update the battery test suite to match latest battery spec (coordinating with marcos) [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2015-01-29]. 15:44:07 fjh: it would be good to complete battery, perhaps before mid year, but we do not have control or visibility into Mozilla schedule 15:44:17 Topic: Other Business 15:44:29 fjh_ has joined #dap 15:45:21 fjh: an update on Cordova would be helpful to the group, perhaps by email 15:45:32 edna_morales: I can check into this with Lisa 15:46:16 Next call will be 5 Feb 15:46:36 Topic: Adjourn 15:46:47 fjh: thanks all and Happy New Year 15:46:57 -gmandyam 15:46:59 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:46:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:46:59 -Andrey_Logvinov 15:47:06 -edna_morales 15:47:12 Present+ Andrey_Logvinov 15:47:18 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:47:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:47:43 Present+ Giri_Mandyam 15:47:53 Regrets+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 15:48:02 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:48:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:48:28 s/w3c@/w3c @ / 15:48:55 s/google/Google/ 15:49:01 zakim, who is here? 15:49:01 On the phone I see fjh, anssik 15:49:03 On IRC I see fjh_, mats, edna_morales, anssik, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Andrey_Logvinov, richt, Josh_Soref, tobie_, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot 15:49:22 -anssik 15:49:46 +??P6 15:50:13 s/we should shift it over to the public list/it would be better on the public list/ 15:50:27 zakim, who is here? 15:50:27 On the phone I see fjh, ??P6 15:50:29 On IRC I see fjh_, mats, edna_morales, anssik, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Andrey_Logvinov, richt, Josh_Soref, tobie_, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot 15:50:33 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:50:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-dap-minutes.html fjh 16:05:08 -??P6 16:06:02 zakim, room for two 16:06:03 I don't understand 'room for two', fjh 16:06:07 zakim, room for 2 16:06:07 I don't understand 'room for 2', fjh 16:06:34 +??P0 16:21:52 -??P0 16:22:17 fjh_ has joined #dap 16:22:39 +??P0 16:25:40 -??P0 16:25:41 -fjh 16:25:41 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 16:25:41 Attendees were fjh, anssik, +1.276.791.aaaa, gmandyam, edna_morales, Andrey_Logvinov 17:18:29 fjh_ has joined #dap 17:19:10 s/concrerned/however concerned/ 17:19:16 rrsagent, generate minutes 17:19:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-dap-minutes.html fjh_ 17:19:59 s/outside group/subset of group/ 17:20:02 rrsagent, generate minutes 17:20:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-dap-minutes.html fjh_ 18:02:34 fjh has joined #dap 18:13:39 fjh has joined #dap 18:30:44 Zakim has left #dap 18:54:48 fjh has joined #dap 20:22:49 fjh has joined #dap 21:32:52 fjh has joined #dap 22:13:03 fjh has joined #dap 23:07:23 fjh has joined #dap 23:17:59 fjh has joined #dap 23:44:38 mats has joined #dap