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16:56:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
16:56:34 <trackbot> Date: 22 January 2015
16:56:45 <mdjp> Chair: mdjp
16:56:52 <mdjp> Agenda+ Date of Next Meeting
16:56:59 <mdjp> Agenda+ Working group session at the Web Audio Conference
16:57:10 <mdjp> Agenda+ Issue 419 biquad filter formulas. Can we consider dropping the cookbook formulas and just use the actual implementation.
16:57:16 <mdjp> Agenda+ Issue 455 handling the deprication of doppler in the panner node.
16:57:22 <mdjp> Agenda+ Summarise list discussion of the proposal for multiple I/O audio worker
16:57:27 <mdjp> Agenda+ Audio Worker Factory Model (if available otherwise moved to next call)
16:57:32 <mdjp> Agenda+ Assign actions to progress the issue of inter-app audio and low level audio I/O.
16:57:37 <mdjp> Agenda+ AOB
16:57:41 <mdjp> rrsagent, pointer?
16:57:41 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-audio-irc#T16-57-41
16:57:47 <mdjp> agenda?
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16:58:51 <mdjp> zakim, ??P3 is me
16:58:51 <Zakim> +mdjp; got it
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17:01:12 <BillHofmann> zakim, aabb is me
17:01:12 <Zakim> +BillHofmann; got it
17:01:16 <cwilso> zakim, aaaa is me
17:01:16 <Zakim> +cwilso; got it
17:01:23 <cwilso> zakim, cwilso has rtoyg
17:01:23 <Zakim> +rtoyg; got it
17:01:48 <cwilso> regrets from Hongchan also, who is also at NAMM
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17:02:35 <mdjp> zakim, pick a victim
17:02:35 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mdjp
17:02:38 <mdjp> zakim, pick a victim
17:02:38 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose BillHofmann
17:02:56 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 1
17:02:56 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Date of Next Meeting" taken up [from mdjp]
17:02:58 <Zakim> +gmandyam
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17:04:36 <BillHofmann> next meeting Feb 5 - cwilso can join beginning, propose we keep the rhythm going.
17:04:46 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 2
17:04:46 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Working group session at the Web Audio Conference" taken up [from mdjp]
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17:06:23 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 3
17:06:23 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Issue 419 biquad filter formulas. Can we consider dropping the cookbook formulas and just use the actual implementation." taken up [from mdjp]
17:06:29 <padenot> hrrr, I'm late
17:06:41 <Zakim> + +1.415.558.aacc
17:07:06 <mdjp> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/419
17:07:52 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
17:08:32 <BillHofmann> BillHofmann asks if the implementations are consistent
17:08:38 <BillHofmann> Safari/Chrome do, per rtoy
17:08:55 <BillHofmann> Firefox seems to match
17:09:20 <BillHofmann> rtoy proposes making the defacto implementation the standard
17:09:51 <BillHofmann> hearing no objections, will make that the decision
17:10:28 <BillHofmann> (Introducing Mike Assenti)
17:10:31 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 4
17:10:31 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Issue 455 handling the deprication of doppler in the panner node." taken up [from mdjp]
17:10:50 <mdjp> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/455
17:12:28 <BillHofmann> rtoy notes that the old panner node will be deprecated, so deprecating doppler in it wouldn't we worth it
17:13:25 <BillHofmann> cwilso notes that we need to define a new panner/listener anyway
17:13:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:14:09 <padenot> Zakim, IPcaller is me
17:14:09 <Zakim> +padenot; got it
17:14:19 <BillHofmann> BillHofmann notes that we ought note why we've closed 455, also - what is the issue for the rework?
17:14:26 <cwilso> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/372
17:15:48 <BillHofmann> rtoy notes that there is some objection about deprecation of doppler.
17:16:15 <BillHofmann> cwilso gives more background - perhaps the objections aren't as critical, so perhaps no real problem getting rid of it when the new nodes are in place
17:17:24 <BillHofmann> BillHofmann asks what happens re deprecation - it actually won't be in the 1.0 spec per cwilso.  Chrome has disabled doppler already.
17:18:06 <BillHofmann> note that existing demos using doppler, per cwilso, are broken anyway
17:18:18 <padenot> ah I am
17:18:24 <BillHofmann> Asks whether Firefox has disabled doppler
17:18:45 <BillHofmann> No, per padenot.  easy patch - will do it when it makes sense.
17:19:26 <BillHofmann> asks whether it's been marked as deprecated
17:19:43 <BillHofmann> cwilso notes that an in-progress branch marks it as deprecated.
17:20:09 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 5
17:20:09 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Summarise list discussion of the proposal for multiple I/O audio worker" taken up [from mdjp]
17:21:24 <Zakim> +??P5
17:21:48 <shepazu> q+
17:22:46 <Zakim> -??P5
17:23:13 <BillHofmann> shepazu: re previous item - asks whether it makes sense to say it was deprecated - that's unusual - should there be a note at the end?
17:24:13 <mdjp> ack shepazu
17:24:19 <BillHofmann> mjdp: spec will say it's deprecated and point at the new node
17:24:57 <BillHofmann> q+
17:25:16 <mdjp> http://webaudio.github.io/web-audio-api/#the-scriptprocessornode-interface---deprecated
17:25:31 <BillHofmann> mjdp: notes how ScriptProcessorNode indicates deprecation
17:26:17 <rtoyg_m> q+
17:26:26 <mdjp> ack BillHofmann
17:26:36 <BillHofmann> q-
17:27:29 <mdjp> ack rtoyg_m
17:28:07 <BillHofmann> rtoyg_m: asks whether we'd note *all* the old stuff in this section?  notes he gets bugs filed on very old items.
17:28:26 <BillHofmann> shepazu: not unusual to have a (smallish) changes section
17:28:40 <mdjp> Agenda?
17:30:58 <mdjp> http://cwilso.github.io/web-audio-api/#widl-AudioContext-createAudioWorker-AudioWorkerNode-DOMString-scriptURL-Array-inputs-Array-outputs
17:31:42 <Zakim> -gmandyam
17:32:00 <BillHofmann> cwilso: notes no real additional feedback since last meeting; goal to replicate behavior in merger/splitter; since then he's realized that's not a good model
17:32:30 <BillHofmann> cwilso: suggests removing dynamic bit of audioworker - fixed input/output node count is proposed
17:33:26 <BillHofmann> cwilso: output channels might change, input channels are handled by channel count in channel mode
17:34:15 <cwilso> http://cwilso.github.io/web-audio-api/#widl-AudioContext-createAudioWorker-AudioWorkerNode-DOMString-scriptURL-Array-inputs-Array-outputs
17:34:22 <BillHofmann> cwilso: notes if you hand AudioWorker a script url, you'll get stereo in/out; if you hand a parameter in addition, will default to number of channels - see link above
17:35:01 <cwilso> http://cwilso.github.io/web-audio-api/#the-audioprocessevent-interface
17:37:03 <BillHofmann> cwilso: this approach makes even a single in/out situation for a handler event require a double dereference.  could provide separate event handler.
17:37:20 <BillHofmann> mdjp: asks for objections; feedback on list
17:37:28 <BillHofmann> cwilso: haven't provided factory method for this.
17:38:29 <BillHofmann> cwilso: thinks we can consider feedback closed
17:38:33 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 6
17:38:33 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Audio Worker Factory Model (if available otherwise moved to next call)" taken up [from mdjp]
17:38:38 <BillHofmann> mjdp: agrees
17:39:19 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 7
17:39:19 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Assign actions to progress the issue of inter-app audio and low level audio I/O." taken up [from mdjp]
17:39:31 <BillHofmann> agendum 6 moved to next meeting - proposal not ready
17:40:53 <BillHofmann> mdjp: notes that this is a bigger issue than "how do we run vsts in webaudio" - perhaps worthwhile to bring up at WAC next week
17:41:23 <BillHofmann> mdjp: how can the WG support implementers to help get to a resolution with this?
17:42:02 <BillHofmann> cwilso: need to go back to the use cases documents, decide how committed we are, find implementers in native and get their feedback
17:42:35 <BillHofmann> cwilso: morphed to "support VSTs", perhaps really more like iOS "InteropAudio"
17:43:30 <BillHofmann> s/InteropAudio/InterappAudio/
17:43:47 <BillHofmann> mdjp: split item
17:44:27 <BillHofmann> mdjp: proposal: first, review use cases and bring relevant ones to the next meeting - mdjp volunteers
17:44:49 <BillHofmann> mdjp: first: Inter-app audio
17:45:32 <mdjp> http://w3c.github.io/mediacapture-output/
17:45:44 <BillHofmann> mdjp: second: access to low level audio device -
17:47:04 <BillHofmann> cwilso: working with Justin/Victoria, they have an enumeration API; what we need is a way to direct a stream to a sink
17:48:16 <BillHofmann> cwilso: we need a spec'd way to create a sink using this API, and knowing what the characteristics of it, how you stream to it, etc.
17:49:21 <BillHofmann> cwilso: not sure *where* it sits between WebAudio, WebRTC, etc., but we need to ensure it gets dealt with
17:49:30 <BillHofmann> mdjp: asks whether we ought document our requirements
17:50:26 <BillHofmann> mdjp: will create an issue/etc for tracking this
17:50:45 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 8
17:50:45 <Zakim> agendum 8. "AOB" taken up [from mdjp]
17:51:18 <BillHofmann> make logs member
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17:51:28 <Zakim> -jdsmith
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17:51:32 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
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17:51:40 <BillHofmann> set logs world
17:51:43 <Zakim> -mdjp
17:51:46 <Zakim> -cwilso
17:51:47 <BillHofmann> draft minutes
17:52:01 <BillHofmann> rrsagent, make logs member
17:52:06 <BillHofmann> rrsagent, bookmark
17:52:06 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-audio-irc#T17-52-06
17:52:11 <BillHofmann> rrsagent, set logs world
17:52:17 <BillHofmann> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:52:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-audio-minutes.html BillHofmann
17:52:22 <BillHofmann> rrsagent, bye
17:52:22 <RRSAgent> I see no action items