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15:41:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
15:41:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
15:41:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:41:53 <trackbot> Date: 20 January 2015
15:42:01 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:42:01 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:42:07 <Joshue> Chair: Joshue
15:43:58 <Joshue> agenda+ Continuing WAI Tutorials review https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/TutorialsForms/results
15:44:40 <Joshue> zakim, drop item 1
15:44:40 <Zakim> agendum 1, Continuing WAI Tutorials review https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/TutorialsForms/results, dropped
15:45:02 <Joshue> agenda+ [Comments needing responses]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses
15:45:09 <Joshue> zakim, clear agenda
15:45:09 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:45:12 <Joshue> agenda+ [Comments needing responses]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses
15:46:10 <Joshue> agenda+ Continue tutorials review (plus WG review of sections 6-11 of Forms Tutorial: <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/TutorialsForms/> )
15:46:30 <Joshue> agenda+ More tuts review Images Tutorial, Tables Tutorial, or Tutorials cover page: <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/TutorialsCIT/>
15:46:51 <Joshue> agenda+ Scrub of actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open
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15:53:51 <AWK> Zakim, agenda?
15:53:51 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
15:53:52 <Zakim> 1. [Comments needing responses]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses [from Joshue]
15:53:52 <Zakim> 2. Continue tutorials review (plus WG review of sections 6-11 of Forms Tutorial: <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/TutorialsForms/> ) [from Joshue]
15:53:52 <Zakim> 3. More tuts review Images Tutorial, Tables Tutorial, or Tutorials cover page: <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/TutorialsCIT/> [from Joshue]
15:53:54 <Zakim> 4. Scrub of actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/open [from Joshue]
15:54:31 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has now started
15:54:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:54:42 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
15:54:42 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
15:57:39 <Zakim> +Kathy_Wahlbin
15:57:55 <Kathy> Kathy has joined #wai-wcag
16:00:37 <Zakim> + +1.617.766.aaaa
16:00:48 <AWK>  Zakim, aaaa is AWK
16:00:48 <Zakim> +AWK; got it
16:00:56 <Zakim> + +1.313.390.aabb
16:00:57 <yatil> zakim, call EricE-Skype
16:00:58 <Zakim> ok, yatil; the call is being made
16:00:59 <Zakim> +EricE
16:01:04 <Zakim> +??P13
16:01:15 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:01:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Joshue, Kathy_Wahlbin, AWK, +1.313.390.aabb, EricE, Michael_Cooper
16:01:17 <yatil> zakim, nick yatil is EricE
16:01:17 <Zakim> ok, yatil, I now associate you with EricE
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16:01:28 <MichaelC> zakim, aabb is Mike_Elledge
16:01:28 <Zakim> +Mike_Elledge; got it
16:01:28 <yatil> zakim, mute me
16:01:29 <Zakim> EricE should now be muted
16:02:07 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
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16:05:54 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
16:05:57 <Zakim> +Kenny
16:06:10 <Kathy> scribe: Kathy
16:06:25 <Joshue>  https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List#2015_Scribe_History
16:06:36 <Kathy> agenda ?
16:06:56 <Kathy> zakim, take up 1
16:06:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up 1', Kathy
16:07:03 <Kathy> zakim, next item
16:07:03 <Zakim> agendum 1. "[Comments needing responses]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_Needing_Responses" taken up [from Joshue]
16:07:21 <Kathy> Josh: we have a few items needing responses
16:07:24 <Joshue> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/69
16:07:28 <Joshue> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/70
16:09:01 <Kathy> Mark: I can take 59
16:09:30 <yatil> s/take 59/take 69/
16:09:38 <Kathy> Mike: I could do 70
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16:10:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:10:16 <Loretta> zakim, IPcaller is Loretta
16:10:16 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
16:10:28 <marcjohlic> s/Mark:/Marc:/
16:11:23 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:11:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/20-wai-wcag-minutes.html yatil
16:11:27 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:11:33 <David> if someone is talking I can't hear it
16:11:36 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:12:24 <Zakim> +??P17
16:12:42 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P17 is David_MacDonald
16:12:42 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald; got it
16:12:46 <yatil> Zakim, P17 is David
16:12:46 <Zakim> sorry, yatil, I do not recognize a party named 'P17'
16:12:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:13:00 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
16:13:00 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
16:13:05 <Kathy> zakim, next item
16:13:05 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continue tutorials review (plus WG review of sections 6-11 of Forms Tutorial: <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/TutorialsForms/> )" taken up [from Joshue]
16:13:36 <Kathy> Josh: last week we talked about reviewing 6-11
16:13:49 <Kathy> AWK: we were doing a continuation of the review of these items
16:14:48 <yatil> ack me
16:15:25 <yatil> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35532/EOweek14Jan2015/results
16:15:50 <yatil> http://www.w3.org/2015/01/16-eo-minutes
16:16:01 <Kathy> Eric: update from the EO working group; take the changes from WCAG working group all together so the items from last week has not been reviewed; the minutes detail the discussion
16:17:07 <Kathy> Eric: talked about the making it clearer the relationship between the tutorial and the WCAG techniques
16:17:13 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
16:17:13 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:17:15 <yatil> http://w3c.github.io/wai-tutorials/#relationship-to-wcag-20
16:17:46 <Joshue> ack me
16:17:47 <yatil> http://w3c.github.io/wai-tutorials/images/#related
16:18:39 <Kathy> Eric: clarified the intent of the tutorials
16:18:50 <Joshue> q+
16:19:29 <Kathy> Eric: permalink and share link has been discussed
16:20:10 <Kathy> Eric: preparing a WIKI page with the changes
16:20:17 <Joshue> ack me
16:20:49 <Kathy> Josh: in terms of the comments to objection for publishing- one was from Leonie and the other from Sharon
16:21:11 <Kathy> Josh: Have Leonie's concerns been addressed?
16:21:35 <David> Comment: I don't think we should wrap the label around the input.
16:21:40 <Kathy> Eric: yes, need to look at the technical items and see if there are other items to address
16:22:13 <Kathy> Josh: What about Sharon's comments?
16:22:45 <Kathy> Eric: Sharon is part of EO, thought this is still a draft and should not be published
16:23:10 <Kathy> Josh: a few comments of things missing
16:23:21 <Kathy> Josh: going in the right direction
16:24:01 <Kathy> Josh: before we continue through the review, a lot of the issues will be fixed by Eric and there is work being done
16:24:37 <Kathy> Topic: #6 Validating Input
16:24:41 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/forms/validation/
16:24:59 <Kathy> Josh: Charles has this is a showstopper
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16:25:34 <David> I think Example in Approach 4 should be dropped.... We sould not provide examoles of instructions not associated with the corresponding form programmatically
16:25:43 <Kathy> Josh: there is a section on server-side validation
16:25:54 <Kathy> Eric: we can make it clearer
16:26:06 <David> is there a place to log these
16:26:59 <Kathy> Michael: it would be helpful to have a link for input formats
16:27:43 <Kathy> Josh: Marc suggested adding techniques
16:28:08 <Kathy> Marc: should include the sufficient ARIA techniques
16:28:21 <Kathy> Josh: Katie made some comments last week
16:28:54 <Kathy> Josh: Michael C. has a few commments in survey
16:28:59 <MichaelC> ack me
16:29:59 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:30:23 <Kathy> Michael: HTML5 features will be a good way to notify users but not all such as passwords not matching
16:30:35 <yatil> q+
16:30:42 <MichaelC> ack me
16:30:42 <MichaelC> ack me
16:30:42 <MichaelC> ack me
16:31:07 <Kathy> Josh: Eric what do you think
16:31:56 <Kathy> Eric: we have it on the user notification page; more connected so we may need to cross link
16:32:13 <Joshue> q+
16:32:25 <Joshue> q-
16:32:50 <Kathy> Michael: I was missing the cross-link. The validation one needs a section about validation done by the author not using native features
16:33:16 <yatil> q-
16:33:18 <David> q+
16:33:19 <Joshue> ack eric
16:33:44 <Kathy> Josh: comments on the different use cases for errors
16:34:16 <Kathy> Eric: we have some information on support but needs to be clearer
16:34:25 <MichaelC> ack me
16:34:34 <Kathy> Josh: a couple of examples should be added
16:34:55 <Kathy> Michael: this is not a show stopper but is an important issue that needs to be addressed
16:35:01 <Joshue> ack dav
16:35:32 <Kathy> David: approach one leaving span with instructions - we should drop this example
16:35:58 <David> http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/forms/instructions/
16:37:17 <Kathy> q?
16:37:40 <Ryladog> q+
16:37:49 <Kathy> David: we should have example that has all the instructions
16:37:51 <Kathy> q+
16:38:24 <yatil> BTW: That Approach 2 was updated in response to last week’s call: http://w3c.github.io/wai-tutorials/forms/instructions/#using-aria-labelledby (And yes, the approach numbers are off, sorry.)
16:38:31 <Ryladog> +1
16:38:38 <Joshue> ack ryla
16:39:24 <Kathy> Katie: agree with David, it is iterative but we should have HTML and aria way of doing it
16:39:33 <Joshue> ack kathy
16:39:34 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
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16:40:08 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:40:32 <Kathy> Eric: we are current editing approach 2 to fix the issue with aria-labelledby
16:41:28 <Kathy> Josh: hearing that we should make sure the examples are the best we can because people will take them and use them
16:42:20 <Kathy> Eric: we are striving to have best practice examples
16:43:20 <Kathy> Josh: example 1 should be the primary approach
16:43:28 <Ryladog> q+
16:43:55 <Ryladog> +1 to HT
16:44:12 <Kathy> Eric: I don't know about HTML5 examples; we don't want the examples to be too complicated
16:44:18 <David> q+
16:44:23 <Joshue> ack ryla
16:45:17 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen.a
16:45:41 <Kathy> Katie: HTML4 should we listed but HTML5 first
16:46:08 <Kathy> Josh: Some examples apply to HTML5
16:46:13 <Joshue> q?
16:46:17 <Joshue> ack david
16:46:39 <Ryladog> q=
16:46:44 <Kathy> David: for HTML5 I would drop the dangling span
16:46:46 <Ryladog> q+
16:46:56 <Joshue> ack ryla
16:47:34 <Kathy> Katie: where there is a new HTML5 element they should be included
16:47:45 <Kathy> Josh: we need to consider user agent support
16:47:47 <yatil> q+ to say the tutorials are generally developed HTML5 first, ARIA second…
16:47:53 <yatil> q-
16:48:19 <Kathy> David: semi-show stopper - wrapping the label around the input
16:48:42 <David> http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/forms/labels/
16:49:01 <Kathy> David: user agent support has been an issue
16:49:15 <Kathy> James: this seems to be supported now
16:49:30 <Ryladog> =
16:49:40 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:49:43 <yatil> David, we have also decided last week to have the wrapping example as the second, not the first example.
16:50:00 <Kathy> James: we should look through the techniques and update it
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16:51:04 <Kathy> TOPIC: 7. User Notifications
16:51:05 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/forms/notifications/
16:52:58 <Kathy> Josh: a few editing comments, Marc suggested adding ARIA18, Michael has comments on popup
16:53:06 <Kathy> q+
16:53:21 <MichaelC> ack me
16:53:39 <Kathy> Michael: this is not a show stopper
16:53:51 <Kathy> Michael: dialogs are a separate topic
16:54:05 <Kathy> q-
16:54:54 <Kathy> Eric: agree with Michael on the popup dialogs
16:55:12 <MichaelC> ack me
16:55:12 <Joshue> q?
16:55:27 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
16:55:27 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:55:44 <Joshue> ack me
16:55:46 <Kathy> Michael: the approach is good to have in but too much detail on how to implement a dialog
16:55:50 <Ryladog> +1 to
16:55:52 <Ryladog> mC
16:55:56 <Kathy> +1
16:56:15 <Kathy> Josh: simply is the way to go
16:56:34 <Kathy> Josh: do we have anything on focus management
16:56:36 <MichaelC> (and dialogs are used for more than just error notifications, another reason I think they should be in a separate tutorial)
16:56:38 <Kathy> Eric: no
16:56:50 <Kathy> Josh: that would be good to add
16:57:48 <Kathy> Josh: we need to have information that is not overly complex
16:58:02 <Kathy> Eric: we don't have time to create dialog tutorial
16:58:27 <Kathy> Josh: back to having a section that is short
16:58:44 <MichaelC> ackm e
16:58:51 <MichaelC> ackm e
16:58:52 <MichaelC> ack me
16:58:59 <Kathy> Josh: Michael, how would you simplify this
17:00:07 <Kathy> Michael: my preferred option is to create a new section for this in the tutorial but we if can't then it is best to leave it here.  Long term vision is to indicate that we can do this with dialog and link to that tutorial
17:00:42 <David> Tested wrapping label around input works in all major browsers in NVDA and Voice Over H44 test Label technique required the "for" element http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20-TECHS/H44.html
17:00:42 <MichaelC> s/this in the/this in a different/
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17:01:01 <Kathy> Josh: best to leave it for now
17:01:57 <Kathy> TOPIC: 8. Multi Page Forms
17:01:59 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/forms/multi-page/
17:02:38 <Kathy> Josh: not many comments
17:02:39 <jamesn>     progress::-moz-progress-bar {
17:02:39 <jamesn> background-color:green;
17:02:39 <jamesn> }
17:02:50 <Joshue> Its in Safari 7 too
17:02:56 <MichaelC> ack me
17:02:56 <Kathy> James: the progress bar in some browsers is an issue
17:03:12 <Kathy> Michael: violates UAAG
17:03:32 <Kathy> James: add that you need to override it until the user agent issues are fixed
17:03:36 <kentuckyjo> Hey, sorry for interjecting... if I had a question about the Success Criterion for a WCAG req, would this be a good place to ask?
17:03:46 <David> 2.2.2
17:04:05 <Kathy> Michael: movement that can cannot be stopped
17:04:23 <Joshue> q?
17:04:36 <jamesn> progress::-webkit-progress-bar {  }
17:05:36 <Kathy> David: what about the color contrast on billing address
17:05:41 <jamesn> for Eric - http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/html5-progress-bar/
17:05:58 <Kathy> AWK: 4.64:1
17:06:13 <Kathy> David: it is ok then
17:06:15 <MichaelC> ack me
17:06:46 <Kathy> Michael: it is good to demostrate things that just pass
17:07:10 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
17:07:10 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
17:07:18 <Kathy> James: the code examples don't pass color contrast
17:07:33 <Joshue> ack me
17:08:27 <Joshue> q?
17:09:16 <yatil> James, color on the left was changed to dark blue. http://w3c.github.io/wai-tutorials/forms/multi-page/
17:09:31 <yatil> q+
17:09:44 <Kathy> James: the chrome tool will suggest the color
17:09:48 <Joshue> ack eric
17:10:00 <Kathy> Eric: we don't need invest too much time on this
17:10:56 <Kathy> TOPIC: 9. Custom Controls
17:10:57 <Ryladog> v
17:11:03 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/forms/custom-controls/
17:11:06 <Ryladog> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/accessibility-developer-t/fpkknkljclfencbdbgkenhalefipecmb?hl=en
17:11:07 <jamesn> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/accessibility-developer-t/fpkknkljclfencbdbgkenhalefipecmb
17:15:30 <Kathy> Josh: no comments
17:15:43 <Kathy> TOPIC 10. Tips and Tricks
17:15:44 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/forms/tips/
17:16:07 <Kathy> Josh: a few editorial comments
17:16:32 <Kathy> Josh: would these changes be implemented
17:16:33 <Joshue> q?
17:16:41 <AWK> zakim, who is making noise?
17:16:45 <Joshue> zakim, who is noisy?
17:16:49 <Kathy> Eric: they are on the tips and tricks page
17:16:53 <Zakim> AWK, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: EricE (31%), Joshue (4%)
17:17:04 <Zakim> Joshue, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Katie_Haritos-Shea (24%)
17:17:47 <yatil> Zakim, mute Katie
17:17:47 <Zakim> Katie_Haritos-Shea should now be muted
17:17:53 <Kathy> James: charles commented about optgroup
17:18:24 <Kathy> Eric: we did not fit into the other pages
17:19:03 <Kathy> Josh: we should think about this
17:19:05 <Joshue> q?
17:19:30 <Kathy> James: the WCAG violations should not be on this page
17:20:15 <Kathy> Josh: do we need this section?
17:20:48 <Kathy> James: we could add some of these on the other pages
17:21:18 <Kathy> Josh: we should look at this and merge within the tutorial and remove this section
17:21:38 <Kathy> Eric: some of the tutorials have it and some do not
17:22:14 <Kathy> Josh: suggest to EO to merge these
17:22:27 <Kathy> Josh: anyone think it should stay as it is
17:22:47 <Kathy> Josh: should be merge?
17:22:49 <Kathy> +1
17:22:50 <marcjohlic> +1
17:22:57 <Joshue> +1
17:22:58 <David> Another possible showstopper (decoration alt="") http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/images/decorative/
17:22:59 <jamesn> +1
17:23:21 <Mike_Elledge> +1
17:23:25 <David> +1
17:23:26 <yatil> +1
17:23:51 <David> q+
17:24:00 <Joshue> ack david
17:24:03 <Kathy> RESOLUTION: remove tips and trick and merge into the other tutorials
17:24:29 <Kathy> David: we are using the term decorative images; WCAG uses pure decoration
17:24:50 <Kathy> David: we should be clear in the group about what is decorative
17:25:00 <Joshue> q?
17:25:24 <Kathy> David: when there are photos on the page, users who are blind want to know what it is
17:25:41 <Kathy> David: the examples and language does not match WCAG
17:25:59 <Kathy> Josh: log in the images tutorial
17:26:38 <Kathy> TOPIC: 11. Overall and other
17:26:59 <Kathy> Josh: there are substantial comments from Leonie
17:27:24 <Kathy> Josh: Leonie has had conversation with Eric
17:27:54 <Kathy> Josh: going in the right direction overall
17:28:00 <Kathy> Josh: we need to wrap up now
17:28:07 <David> please dropin link to leonie's comments
17:28:11 <Kathy> Josh: continue with the other tutorials next week
17:28:17 <Kathy> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/TutorialsForms/results
17:28:27 <David> yup
17:28:45 <Kathy> Josh: send comments to EO
17:29:00 <Joshue> q?
17:29:05 <Kathy> Eric: great feedback, thank you
17:29:26 <Kathy> Josh: this is the larger and more complex tutorial
17:29:36 <Kathy> zakim, list attendees
17:29:36 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Joshue, Kathy_Wahlbin, +1.617.766.aaaa, AWK, +1.313.390.aabb, EricE, Michael_Cooper, Mike_Elledge, David_MacDonald, Marc_Johlic, Kenny,
17:29:40 <Zakim> ... Loretta, Katie_Haritos-Shea, James_Nurthen
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17:29:43 <Zakim> -Mike_Elledge
17:29:44 <Zakim> -AWK
17:29:44 <Zakim> -Joshue
17:29:45 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
17:29:46 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
17:29:46 <Kathy> rrsagent, make minutes
17:29:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/20-wai-wcag-minutes.html Kathy
17:29:47 <Zakim> -Loretta
17:29:47 <Zakim> -EricE
17:29:53 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:29:55 <Zakim> -Kenny
17:29:57 <Kathy> rrsagent, make logs public
17:30:30 <Kathy> zakim, list attendees
17:30:30 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Joshue, Kathy_Wahlbin, +1.617.766.aaaa, AWK, +1.313.390.aabb, EricE, Michael_Cooper, Mike_Elledge, David_MacDonald, Marc_Johlic, Kenny,
17:30:33 <Zakim> ... Loretta, Katie_Haritos-Shea, James_Nurthen
17:30:39 <Kathy> rrsagent, make minutes
17:30:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/20-wai-wcag-minutes.html Kathy
17:30:47 <Kathy> rrsagent, make logs public
17:31:05 <Zakim> -Kathy_Wahlbin
18:05:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Katie_Haritos-Shea, in WAI_WCAG()11:00AM
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18:05:04 <Zakim> Attendees were Joshue, Kathy_Wahlbin, +1.617.766.aaaa, AWK, +1.313.390.aabb, EricE, Michael_Cooper, Mike_Elledge, David_MacDonald, Marc_Johlic, Kenny, Loretta, Katie_Haritos-Shea,
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