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15:57:51 Zakim, this will be 63342
15:57:51 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
15:57:52 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:57:52 Date: 20 January 2015
15:58:16 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jan/0036.html
15:58:21 zakim, what is the code?
15:58:21 the conference code is 63342 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:58:53 HTML_WG()11:00AM has now started
15:59:00 +[Microsoft]
15:59:06 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:59:06 +paulc; got it
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16:03:25 zakim, who is on the phone?
16:03:25 On the phone I see paulc, markw, davide, +1.253.332.aaaa
16:05:44 waiting for quorum
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16:09:48 scribe: paulc
16:09:54 Chair: paulc
16:10:14 Topic: Bug 27738 - Need to change name of 'message' event to avoid confusion
16:10:28 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27738
16:10:34 -davide
16:10:34 -[Microsoft]
16:11:47 David: Anne's latest message says the name change is not needed: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27738#c5
16:11:47 +1 to leaving the name as it is
16:11:56 +davide
16:11:58 + +1.408.536.aabb
16:12:38 +[Microsoft]
16:12:50 Paul: Proposal on the table is to NOT change the name
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16:13:05 Paul: So far David and Mark support not changing the name
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16:13:31 zakim, [Microsoft] is jdsmith
16:13:31 +jdsmith; got it
16:13:59 +??P2
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16:14:30 +1 to not changing
16:14:31 Jerry: I agree with no change
16:14:56 zakim, ??P2 is me
16:14:56 +ddorwin; got it
16:15:01 Paul: Any objections to closing bug 27738 was WONTFIX?
16:15:08 Paul: No objections
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16:16:03 rrsagent, generate the minutes
16:16:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/20-html-media-minutes.html paulc
16:16:10 scribe: joesteele
16:16:18 Topic: Bug 27739 - Change event name 'keyschange' to 'keychange'
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16:16:28 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27738
16:16:33 Scribe: paulc
16:16:36 zakim, joesteele_ is joesteele
16:16:36 sorry, joesteele_, I do not recognize a party named 'joesteele_'
16:16:57 scribe: joesteele
16:17:13 ddorwin: that was the original proposal -- did some research on HTML5 media elements
16:17:21 ... usuaulyll when we have change events it the attribute name
16:17:33 ... example volume and queue
16:17:36 David: In general, the pattern appears to be "change"
16:18:06 ... given we have keystatuses -- keystatuschange or keystatusisChanged would be apporpriate
16:18:27 s/keystatuschange/keystatuseschange/
16:18:34 keystatuseschange
16:18:49 s/or keystatusisChanged//
16:19:08 are we going to change the attribute to KeyStatus, though ?
16:19:30 ddorwin: no -- that was resolved in bug 27740
16:19:31 in another bug
16:19:40 zakim, who is here?
16:19:40 On the phone I see paulc, markw, davide, +1.408.536.aabb, jdsmith, ddorwin, BobLund
16:19:43 On IRC I see joesteele_, joesteele, ddorwin, jdsmith, davide, markw, BobLund, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, adrianba, trackbot
16:19:46 The pattern of "change" would imply "keystatuseschange"
16:19:47 Zaki, aabb is me
16:19:53 Zakim, aabb is me
16:19:53 +joesteele_; got it
16:20:07 Bugzilla 27740: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27740
16:20:12 ok, makes sense
16:20:25 ok
16:20:34 paulc: what is the change we will make?
16:20:42 proposal: Change keyschange to keystatuseschange
16:20:56 +1 to proposal
16:20:58 (per comment 2 in the bug)
16:21:09 paulc: seems to meet Glenns original concenr
16:21:20 ... anyone objecting?
16:21:29 s/concenr/concern/
16:21:47 RESOLVED to fix as per the proposal
16:22:04 topic: Consider changing how the MediaKeySession method algorithms run other algorithms to more accurately reflect implementations
16:22:07 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/14
16:22:32 Topic: Issue 14: Consider changing how the MediaKeySession method algorithms run other algorithms to more accurately reflect implementations
16:22:33 rrsagent, generate minutes
16:22:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/20-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:22:48 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/14
16:23:41 ddorwin: bug was originally about having the async CDM algorithms firing events directly
16:23:57 Original bugs is: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27138
16:23:58 ... after thinking more, realized whether this was application visible
16:24:17 ... when application is calling generateRequest it is not clear that the promise will be resolved before the message is received
16:24:25 ... this might be problematic
16:24:37 ... is there any guarantee to ordering?
16:24:59 ... if not we have this problem that reslolving the promise at the end does not help at all except knowing you did not fail
16:25:14 ... can we resolve this another way? or should we instruct apps to rely on the message?
16:25:39 ddorwin: I meant resolve the problem
16:25:49 ... one way is that the promise has the message
16:26:00 ... not great implementation-wise
16:26:22 ... might need to do something to make things better for apps here
16:26:31 paulc: mark commented recently
16:27:21 joesteele: Any change will impact us and we are discussing it. Need more time.
16:27:37 ... Chris is not on the call and it would be good to get his input.
16:28:05 ... We are resolving the promise after receiving messages and I don't know if this is required or if it is just how I implemented it
16:28:28 joesteele_: still waiting for input internally
16:28:48 ddorwin: I wrote this the way they are assuming that the promises would be resolved first
16:29:00 ... goal was that the promise would be resolve before the message is received
16:29:10 ... but not sure whether we can easily guarantee either
16:29:23 ... but important thing to do is make this reasonable for the apps
16:29:36 first thing to guarantee is that the primise is resolved before the message handler
16:29:50 ddorwin: joe please ping Mozilla folks
16:30:29 paulc: no other comments, let's move on
16:30:44 topic: ISSUE-7 EME should not fire waiting or canplay events - use a separate mechanism
16:30:52 issue-7?
16:30:52 Sorry, but issue-7 does not exist.
16:30:55 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/7
16:31:01 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/7
16:31:22 paulc: this one is to finalize the agreement
16:31:38 jdsmith: the bug proposed stripping out the attribute for wiatingFor and canPlay waiting mechanisms
16:31:45 See Jerry's comment: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/7#issuecomment-70595972
16:31:50 ... last week we agreed it was acceptable
16:31:59 ... we use it in one algorithm
16:32:07 ... don't think that is enough to keep it in the spec
16:32:19 Joe agreed with Jerry's proposal https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/7#issuecomment-70663182
16:32:29 ... CDM can determine without the attribute
16:32:39 ... this was just our attempt to keep attribute
16:32:53 paulc: so agreement from last weke there is no objection to?
16:32:59 jdsmith: correct
16:33:00 No objection to the proposal from last week https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/7#issuecomment-70168165
16:33:10 s/weke/week/
16:33:20 s/wiatingFor/waitingFor/
16:33:32 s/primise/promise/
16:33:41 last week's discussion: http://www.w3.org/2015/01/13-html-media-minutes.html#item11
16:34:00 paulc: any more disucssion? david you know what to do?
16:34:11 RESOVLED to fix as per discussion last week
16:34:20 topic: ISSUE-8 Define behavior for implementations that delay playback until setMediaKeys() is called
16:34:28 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/8
16:34:52 jdsmith: just looked this morning -- need another day or two to review
16:35:00 ... think I agree with David logic
16:35:18 ... this applies to next one (ISSUE-9) as well
16:35:36 paulc: Jerry has 72 hours to respond to issues 8 & 9
16:35:40 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/9
16:35:51 topic: EME/MSE heartbeta pubs
16:35:53 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jan/0030.html
16:35:59 s/heartbeta/heartbeat/
16:36:12 paulc: believe naming items are done, job is in the editors hands
16:36:41 topic: plans for next meeting
16:37:04 q+
16:37:04 paulc: we said we would give MSE a month, so EME mtg next week and week after?
16:37:12 q+
16:37:28 ack markw
16:37:35 markw: since we have some additional time, some naming related bugs are still around. can we handle?
16:37:59 ddorwin: I will not be available the next two Tuesdays, only available on the 10th for the next two weeks
16:38:07 ... available after the next two weeks
16:38:29 s/ for the next two weeks//
16:38:52 ddorwin: next week all day mtg and then on vacation
16:39:06 paulc: proposal is to meet again on Feb 10th
16:39:10 ... any objections?
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16:39:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/20-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:39:34 ddorwin: hopefully make progress in the bugs
16:39:58 paulc: so EME mtg on Feb 10th, Paul to decide whether we have MSE mtg on Feb 3rd
16:40:25 ack dd
16:40:26 topic: Naming Bugs
16:40:36 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25092
16:40:50 Topic: Bug 25892
16:40:58 markw: think we concluded in the bug
16:41:03 ... need to fnialize that
16:41:13 ddorwin: haven't read the reply yet
16:41:29 s/Bug 25892/Bug 25092/
16:41:36 s/fnialize/finalize/
16:41:46 "downscaling" or "output-downscaled"? I prefer the latter since it's consistent with "output-not-allowed".
16:42:04 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25092
16:42:12 markw: I am fine with that
16:42:20 +1
16:42:39 +1
16:42:49 paulc: any objection to resolving with the name "output-downscaled"
16:43:10 markw: I think it is unavoidable that the keystate changes when content is downloaded
16:43:25 rrsagent, generate minutes
16:43:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/20-html-media-minutes.html joesteele_
16:43:35 paulc: david can resolve the bug with that name
16:43:41 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27124
16:43:48 topic: Bug 27124
16:44:04 Henri's email appeal to fix all naming items: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jan/0023.html
16:44:05 Add "individualizationrequest" to the MediaKeyMessageType enum
16:44:30 paulc: Henri says this is blocked on a naming issue
16:45:06 see Mark's support for individualization-request https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27124#c20
16:45:07 paulc: marks comment points to individualization-request
16:45:33 paulc: any additional discussion?
16:45:43 +1
16:45:53 jdsmith: ok
16:46:06 RESOLVED to fix 27124 with individualization-request
16:46:19 topic: Bug 27283
16:46:28 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27283
16:46:54 ddorwin: don't think this is a big deal, app will get a rejected promise
16:47:03 ... don't think the difference will be checked
16:47:17 Depends on WebIDL bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27284
16:47:28 s/Bug 27283/Bug 27283 - InvalidAccessError usage is questionable; use TypeError instead?/
16:47:42 paulc: continue to wait on bug 27284
16:48:02 paulc: David to you have everything you need to do the heartbeat? 4-5 bugs to resolve
16:48:08 ... lots of work
16:48:23 ... think we are done
16:48:39 ddorwin: there are probably 5 or so other bugs folks should look at in github
16:48:47 paulc: thanks everyone!
16:48:53 Please take a look at new bugs at https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues
16:49:30 rrsagent, generate the minutes
16:49:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/20-html-media-minutes.html paulc
16:49:31 ... back on Feb 10th to discuss
16:49:35 -jdsmith
16:49:36 -BobLund
16:49:37 -davide
16:49:39 -markw
16:49:40 rrsagent, generate minutes
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16:49:42 -joesteele_
16:49:43 -ddorwin
16:50:01 s/concenr/concern/
16:50:44 s/disucssion/discussion/
16:51:02 s/pubs/publications/
16:51:34 s/Bug 25092/Bug 25092 - Need a way to inform script that resolution restrictions are applied/
16:51:56 s/Bug 27124/Bug 27124 - Add "individualizationrequest" to the MediaKeyMessageType enum/
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16:53:47 s/Issue 14: Consider/ISSUE-14 Consider/
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16:54:45 s/usuaulyll/usually/
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16:55:43 s/realized whether this was application visible/realized whether this was application visible is an issue/
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16:56:32 s/just how I implemented it/just how I implemented it originally/
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16:57:01 s/David logic/David's logic/
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16:57:34 Zakim, bye
16:57:34 leaving. As of this point the attendees were paulc, markw, davide, +1.253.332.aaaa, +1.408.536.aabb, jdsmith, BobLund, ddorwin, joesteele_
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