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20:27:26 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
20:27:26 <trackbot> Date: 15 January 2015
20:27:41 <ed> chair: ed
20:27:52 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2015Jan/0011.html
20:28:16 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
20:28:27 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:28:35 <ed> Zakim, [IP is me
20:28:35 <Zakim> +ed; got it
20:29:27 <Zakim> +??P4
20:29:54 <shepazu> agenda+ new Invited Expert
20:29:56 <Tav> Zakim, +??P4 is me
20:29:56 <Zakim> sorry, Tav, I do not recognize a party named '+??P4'
20:30:03 <Tav> Zakim, ??P4 is me
20:30:03 <Zakim> +Tav; got it
20:30:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:30:12 <heycam> Zakim, [ is me
20:30:12 <Zakim> +heycam; got it
20:30:36 <Zakim> +??P6
20:30:51 <stakagi> Zakim, ??P6 is me
20:30:51 <Zakim> +stakagi; got it
20:32:17 <ed> Zakim, pick a victim
20:32:17 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Tav
20:33:24 <ed> scribeNick: Tav
20:33:42 <ed> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/19480/Sydney2015/
20:34:00 <Tav> ed, Reminder to sign up for Sydney.
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20:34:27 <Tav> ed, Also if you need to call in,...
20:34:38 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
20:34:54 <ed> topic: update from the svg accessibility TF
20:35:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:35:13 <Tav> richardschwerdtfeger, Trying to get HTML5 to follow say strategy.
20:35:17 <Zakim> +??P9
20:35:23 <Zakim> +ChrisL
20:35:27 <nikos> Zakim, ??P9 is me
20:35:27 <Zakim> +nikos; got it
20:35:29 <Tav> richardschwerdtfeger, Core mapping guide for all specs.
20:35:50 <Tav> richardschwerdtfeger, Not in core spec: name computation. How to handle text API.
20:35:53 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
20:36:08 <Tav> richardschwerdtfeger, SVG ahead of HTML.
20:36:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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20:36:29 <Tav> richardschwerdtfeger, Reviewed one taxonomy. Had demos from Doug on screen reader.
20:36:41 <Zakim> + +1.425.463.aaaa
20:36:58 <Tav> richardschwerdtfeger, Change in SVG spec in video/audio for Linux.
20:37:41 <Tav> shepazu, Accessibility API mappings... most in SVG WG familiar with ARIA.
20:38:24 <Tav> shepazu, SVG will be publishing SVG2 accessibility mapping... we should have a dedicated call. Doug wants to get opinion of other members.
20:39:01 <ChrisL> agree is better to understand it
20:39:32 <Tav> ed, heycam : We should review.
20:39:44 <ChrisL> will there be anything to review in time for the australia f2f meeting?
20:40:16 <Tav> ed, We can dial into Friday's meeting.
20:40:27 <Tav> richardschwerdtfeger, Does Friday next week work?
20:40:52 <Tav> shepazu, Rich want to get it out soon.
20:41:01 <Tav> richardschwerdtfeger, Hope to get it out in February.
20:41:32 <Tav> shepazu, We should put out a poll if the time next week works for them.
20:41:36 <ChrisL> friday next week is good for me; the week after is not
20:41:43 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
20:41:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Thomas_Smailus, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Doug_Schepers, ed, Tav, heycam, stakagi, nikos, ChrisL, birtles, +1.425.463.aaaa
20:41:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see arjunmehta, ChrisL, Zakim, RRSAgent, Smailus, stakagi, richardschwerdtfeger, shepazu, Tav, nikos, TabAtkins, birtles, mihnea_____, shane, MarkS, astearns, slightlyoff,
20:41:46 <Zakim> ... cabanier, ed, heycam, pdr, krit, plinss, trackbot
20:41:57 <Tav> Tav, works for me.
20:43:36 <ed> regrets+ krit
20:43:39 <Tav> shepazu, Is Adobe interested? I'll put out a poll.
20:44:36 <ChrisL> +1 based on the email sent in today
20:44:43 <Tav> richardschwerdtfeger, I can set agenda next week but need adequate lead time.
20:44:43 <Tav> shepazu, I think we're making good progress...
20:45:17 <ed> topic: new invited expert to svgwg
20:45:45 <Smailus> First one from Oreilly was 2002
20:46:03 <Tav> shepazu, SVG Essentials co-author active on SVG mailing list, accessibility task force. Interested in becoming an invited expert.
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20:46:42 <Zakim> - +1.425.463.aaaa
20:46:43 <Tav> shepazu, Co-chairs approve, W3C guy says its OK. Chris are you OK?
20:46:51 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:46:53 <Tav> ChrisL, No objections.
20:47:04 <Rossen_> zakim, microsoft has me
20:47:04 <Zakim> +Rossen_; got it
20:47:59 <Tav> ChrisL, W3C has a five day period to complain.
20:48:07 <ChrisL> s/w3c/w3m/
20:48:37 <Tav> shepazu, I've already approved her. I don't anticipate any problem.
20:48:47 <TabAtkins> Ah, Amelia as IE? Heck yeah.
20:48:51 <ChrisL> s/W3C guy/PLH
20:48:55 <Tav> Topic: data-* in SVG
20:49:33 <Tav> ChrisL, Nobody has objected to proposal. Question is how to do it.
20:50:28 <TabAtkins> Suggest moving the accessor API to Element, and just define the data-* attributes as being global attrs for all SVG elements.
20:50:30 <shepazu> q+
20:50:33 <Tav> ChrisL, Might be useful in other XML but nobody seems to care. This is really an non-name-space alternative to name spaces.
20:50:42 <Zakim> -nikos
20:51:27 <Tav> heycam, Tab said something which Tab has already mentioned above.
20:51:45 <Tav> heycam, Next step is to try to get it to happen.
20:51:56 <Zakim> +??P9
20:51:57 <Tav> ChrisL, If done on element who does the work?
20:52:09 <TabAtkins> That's the DOM spec.
20:52:19 <Tav> heycam, Anna needs to do work?
20:52:29 <TabAtkins> https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/
20:52:30 <ed> s/anna/anne
20:52:50 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/TR/dom/
20:52:50 <Tav> ChrisL, Action is back on Anne.
20:53:14 <Tav> shepazu, If Anne doesn't have time we could ask(?)..
20:53:31 <Tav> ed, Do we need to reserve those attributes in SVG?
20:53:39 <Tav> heycam, Yes.
20:53:40 <shepazu> s/ask(?)../ask Robin Berjon/
20:54:23 <Tav> ed. Does anybody object to Tab's suggestion?
20:54:26 <shepazu> q-
20:54:26 <shepazu> +1
20:55:41 <Tav> RESOLUTION: "We will reserve "data-*" attributes to be used in SVG content. The API for landing them is on element.
20:55:51 <ed> s/landing/handling
20:56:24 <Tav> ed: Who get the action?
20:56:50 <Tav> ACTION: heycam to add "data-*" attributes notes to spec.
20:56:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3694 - Add "data-*" attributes notes to spec. [on Cameron McCormack - due 2015-01-22].
20:57:40 <ChrisL> scribenick: ChrisL
20:58:06 <ed> topic: <length> referenced to CSS is incorrect for SVG
20:58:11 <ChrisL> Tav: length goes to css definition which is not ours, svg differs on percent, unit identifiers etc
20:58:13 <heycam> q+
20:58:16 <ChrisL> q+
20:58:27 <ChrisL> svg 1.1 already did that right
20:59:30 <ChrisL> Tav: we need a two step definition for attrs and properties
21:00:07 <ChrisL> ChrisL: this is different for svg attrs compared to properties. it was right in svg 1.1
21:00:17 <ChrisL> Rossen_: so it was right in 1.1
21:00:54 <ChrisL> ChrisL: assume we want to refer to css3 values and units
21:01:21 <ChrisL> heycam: i made some edits and split percentages from leght for comnsistency with css
21:01:36 <ed> s/leght/length
21:01:41 <ChrisL> ... the other part for unitless lenghts, not sure but may be a mistake
21:01:59 <ChrisL> ... to link directly, we have something in types that supports unitless lengths
21:02:24 <ChrisL> ... but css3 supports parsing of lengths without units in some contexts so we should define it that way
21:02:34 <ChrisL> ... invoke parser with that flag set
21:02:53 <ChrisL> ChrisL: sounds like you know what spewc changes are needed
21:03:20 <ChrisL> Tav: odd to click on length on rect and get that. its a property. don't see that you dont need units
21:03:47 <ChrisL> heycam: keep in types chapter, and then link to css  spec there whle talking about the unitless flag
21:04:12 <ChrisL> action: heycam to fix length to point to types chapter and flag unitless lengths
21:04:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3695 - Fix length to point to types chapter and flag unitless lengths [on Cameron McCormack - due 2015-01-22].
21:04:54 <ed> topic: 'context-fill', 'context-color' should apply to <pattern> and <hatch>
21:04:54 <ChrisL> Tav: context-fill and stroke inpmemented in inkscape for markers
21:05:12 <ChrisL> ... missing for pattern and hatch. state explicitly that they can be used
21:05:22 <ChrisL> ... easier in impl to apply everywhere
21:05:44 <ChrisL> ... swapping stroke and fil inside a group for example
21:05:53 <ChrisL> ... so owe should allow on pattern and hatch
21:05:59 <heycam> +1 for explicitly saying these apply to hatch, pattern, etc.
21:06:40 <ChrisL> ChrisL: is there somewhere we want to exclude it?
21:06:51 <ChrisL> heycam: anywhere with referencable graphics
21:07:02 <ChrisL> s/any/allow any/
21:07:12 <Zakim> -??P9
21:07:16 <ChrisL> TabAtkins: gradients?
21:07:24 <ChrisL> .. for a stop
21:07:31 <Zakim> +??P9
21:07:42 <nikos> Zakim, ??P9 is me
21:07:42 <Zakim> +nikos; got it
21:07:44 <ChrisL> heycam: ok and that is not referenceable
21:07:57 <heycam> s/TabAtkins/Tav/
21:08:05 <TabAtkins> Heh.
21:08:46 <ChrisL> heycam: define how it is interpreted in html context and also outside
21:09:12 <ChrisL> ed: hatches, dont they take current color or do you need to specifiy the?
21:09:27 <ChrisL> Tav: you need to specify them, like patterns
21:09:40 <ChrisL> nikos: the examples show that but the spec text does not
21:09:55 <ChrisL> ed: what is the lacuna value?
21:10:03 <ChrisL> Tav: like patterns
21:10:19 <ed> <rect fill="url(#hatch)"> <--- what color is the hatch?
21:10:32 <ChrisL> heycam: fill and stroke inherit. but what defines color of hatch line?
21:10:43 <ChrisL> Tav: properties on hatch path
21:11:16 <heycam> stroke properties are used
21:11:37 <ChrisL> ChrisL: if spec and examples contradict we should fix
21:11:44 <ChrisL> nikos: attr list is incomplete
21:11:54 <ChrisL> Tav: spec styling is left off
21:12:13 <ChrisL> nikos: needs fixed eventually
21:13:00 <ChrisL> ed: okay, shuld apply to all these context properties
21:13:22 <ChrisL> action: tav to look at applying context-* outside of referenced things.
21:13:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3696 - Look at applying context-* outside of referenced things. [on Tavmjong Bah - due 2015-01-22].
21:13:33 <ChrisL> Tav: need to keep track of the ancestors anyway
21:13:56 <ChrisL> heycam: but, inside a pattern, cant distinguish between parent value and context value
21:14:02 <ChrisL> Tav: aha
21:14:20 <ChrisL> heycam: or refactoring graphics into a definition, changes the rendering
21:14:26 <ChrisL> Tav: needs more thought
21:14:35 <ChrisL> topic: feTurbulence
21:15:03 <ChrisL> Tav: rendering gives solid patches because of a divide by zero
21:15:14 <nikos> For anyone that hasn't seen it: http://jsfiddle.net/dodgeyhack/mo7x85zw/
21:15:43 <ChrisL> Tav: dealt with in inkscape using jaspers solution, throw out that value and do it again
21:16:05 <ChrisL> Tav: presto defines the vector to be zero which is incorrect
21:16:51 <ChrisL> ChrisL: can we agree on jaspers solution?
21:17:55 <ChrisL> nikos: that solution looks good
21:18:28 <ChrisL> action: erik to fix feTurbulence for zero length vectors
21:18:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3697 - Fix feturbulence for zero length vectors [on Erik Dahlström - due 2015-01-22].
21:18:47 <ChrisL> topic: progress on svg2 readiness
21:19:02 <ChrisL> Rossen_: doc linked from agenda, public now
21:19:02 <Rossen_> https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_readiness_assessment
21:19:24 <Rossen_> s/Rossen_/Bogdan/
21:19:53 <ChrisL> bogdan: normally we take unready things off to force them to be fixed
21:20:09 <ChrisL> .. more than 60% of the spec would fall into that
21:20:30 <ChrisL> ... so define responsible people for each chapter to fix this
21:20:46 <ChrisL> heycam: will do painting chapters
21:21:06 <ChrisL> Tav: working in structure and text
21:21:13 <ChrisL> ed: working on structure
21:21:25 <ChrisL> bogdan: focus on svg element
21:21:34 <ChrisL> ... cpap 5 is huge
21:21:45 <ChrisL> ed: shadow dom also a big remaining thing
21:22:53 <Zakim> -nikos
21:23:25 <Zakim> +??P9
21:23:32 <ChrisL> I can take intro and concepts, since those seem to also have issues
21:23:45 <ChrisL> Rossen_: how do we track these? actions, wiki?
21:24:19 <ChrisL> I will take styling as well
21:24:40 <ChrisL> ChrisL: I will do chapters 1,2,6
21:24:58 <ChrisL> ed: chapter5 is huge with a lot of issues, need help there
21:25:14 <ChrisL> Tav: have been liberal in adding issues
21:25:40 <ChrisL> Rossen_: some issues may be easy to clear off
21:26:03 <ChrisL> bogdan: count is subjective, tried to count but
21:26:16 <ChrisL> Rossen_: definately a conversation starter
21:26:50 <ChrisL> ... like css 2.1 where we prioritized discussion of sections with highest readiness impact
21:27:19 <ChrisL> heycam: what does readiness and severity mean
21:27:40 <ChrisL> bogdan: (explains but scribe missed due to local noise)
21:28:25 <ChrisL> severity goes from 0=good to 3=terrible
21:28:54 <ChrisL> heycam: so look at the table and see if you agree for your chapters
21:29:16 <ChrisL> heycam: erik, can take svgsvgelement section which is mostly dom stuff
21:29:29 <ChrisL> ... easy to come up with a proposed behaviour
21:29:50 <ChrisL> heycam: thanks for putting that analysis together
21:30:05 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
21:30:05 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Thomas_Smailus, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Doug_Schepers, [IPcaller], ed, Tav, heycam, stakagi, ChrisL, nikos, birtles, +1.425.463.aaaa, Rossen_
21:30:30 <ChrisL> birtles: mark turner is doing an svg meetup in sydney
21:30:35 <birtles> http://www.meetup.com/SVG-AU/events/219775517/
21:30:40 <ChrisL> ... event set up
21:30:53 <ChrisL> ... asked tospeak but suggest others speak as well
21:31:10 <ChrisL> ... it is on the thursday night
21:31:24 <ChrisL> (adjourned)
21:31:28 <Zakim> -ed
21:31:29 <Zakim> -Thomas_Smailus
21:31:31 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
21:31:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/15-svg-minutes.html ChrisL
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21:31:33 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:31:35 <Zakim> -birtles
21:31:36 <Zakim> -stakagi
21:31:37 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
21:31:37 <Zakim> -ChrisL
21:31:38 <Zakim> -??P9
21:31:42 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
21:31:44 <Zakim> -Tav
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