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15:00:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
15:00:00 <trackbot> Date: 12 January 2015
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15:02:00 <CBurleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me.
15:02:00 <Zakim> +CBurleson; got it
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15:02:21 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
15:02:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, azaroth, CBurleson, Ashok_Malhotra
15:02:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see azaroth, Zakim, Ashok, RRSAgent, CBurleson, MiguelAraCo, TallTed, deiu, Arnaud, tommorris, sandro, Yves, ericP, trackbot
15:03:34 <Zakim> +??P12
15:03:41 <deiu> Zakim: ??P12 is me
15:03:48 <Zakim> + +1.617.838.aaaa
15:03:49 <deiu> Zakim, ??P12 is me
15:03:50 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
15:04:09 <TallTed> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:04:09 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
15:04:11 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
15:04:11 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
15:05:39 <azaroth> scribe: azaroth
15:05:45 <azaroth> Present+ Rob_Sanderson
15:06:35 <Arnaud>  Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 15 December teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-12-15
15:06:37 <azaroth> Arnaud: Propose to approve minutes of Dec 15
15:06:47 <azaroth> ... Agree to publish LD Patch as last call / CR
15:06:55 <azaroth> ... Approved
15:07:12 <azaroth> ... Next meeting is the 19th of January
15:07:24 <azaroth> ... Any problem with that?
15:07:36 <Zakim> +Roger
15:07:39 <azaroth> ... Don't think we have any actions or issues
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15:08:05 <azaroth> ... One open issue, but just because we haven't closed it
15:08:11 <TallTed> fyi -- Jan 19 is MLKJr day -- regrets from me
15:08:44 <azaroth> ... Have decided to give ourselves more time before chartering a new group. Decided to ask for an extension for the time being
15:08:54 <azaroth> ... Made the request, Sandro is talking to W3M
15:09:08 <azaroth> ... Accepted the extension up until July under the existing charter
15:09:21 <azaroth> ... Paging in CR, Patch in CR
15:09:36 <azaroth> ... Workshop in April or so, to assess interest in the broader community
15:09:54 <azaroth> ... In the mean time, no longer in limbo, just functioning beyond the allocated time
15:10:06 <azaroth> ... Announcement has yet to be made officially
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15:10:35 <azaroth> ... W3C membership not officially notified, nor chair. Just verbally by ericp
15:10:55 <azaroth> ... But good to know we're not in trouble and w3m is supportive
15:11:00 <azaroth> ... Any questions?
15:11:22 <azaroth> Do we need to have a call every week, or bi-weekly?
15:11:32 <azaroth> ... Do we need to have a call every week, or bi-weekly?
15:11:34 <Zakim> +??P19
15:11:55 <azaroth> ... Easier to cancel calls than adding more calls
15:12:09 <azaroth> ... Opinions about weekly calls, let me know
15:12:39 <azaroth> ... LD spec -- sent email reminding spec is in PR. 16th to vote
15:13:02 <azaroth> ... get a copy of all the votes, there are some but need more
15:13:10 <azaroth> ... Lots of companies in the group haven't voted yet
15:13:30 <azaroth> ... No one is voting against it which is helpful
15:13:53 <azaroth> ... So if your organization hasn't voted, please do so
15:14:17 <azaroth> ... Question about press event around it.  Touched on in a previous call, some interest but not lots of enthusiasm
15:14:25 <Zakim> +Sandro
15:14:50 <azaroth> ... If not excited, then nothing will be done. Not necessarily bad thing, but would like to hear if there's suport
15:14:57 <azaroth> s/suport/support/
15:15:33 <azaroth> ... Explanation, testimonials from the WG and at large. Discussion of why it's great and how it's going to change the world
15:15:38 <Zakim> +ericP
15:16:07 <azaroth> ... Need a significant number of WG members to provide a testimonial before it makes sense to go to W3C media team
15:16:17 <deiu> q+ [re. PR] to mention about an LDP workshop organized at MIT
15:16:19 <azaroth> ... Don't think we have critical mass yet. If you care, please let me know
15:16:40 <deiu> Zakim, ack me
15:16:40 <Zakim> unmuting deiu
15:16:40 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:16:59 <azaroth> deiu: At beginning of March, goign to have an LDP workshop at MIT
15:17:06 <azaroth> ... related to the PR topic
15:17:20 <azaroth> ... Or could have it mentioned in the PR
15:17:33 <azaroth> ... Tim, Alexander and Andre organizing it
15:17:42 <azaroth> ... a recent development :)
15:17:52 <azaroth> Arnaud: Thanks for letting us know!
15:18:20 <azaroth> ... Not sure if its part of the PR about the recommendation
15:18:40 <azaroth> sandro: Workshop in San Francisco in April-ish. Makes sense to mention both
15:18:58 <azaroth> Arnaud: Not sure if you or Eric, but need help to get the announcement out
15:19:18 <azaroth> ... process to collect testimonials and talk to the media relations team
15:19:40 <azaroth> ... before we only had a few people saying they were interested not sure if we have critical mass
15:20:01 <azaroth> ... not very familiar with how it works, if you could look into it would be good
15:20:09 <azaroth> sandro: normal thing is just home page news and tweets
15:20:24 <azaroth> ericP: logistics check just in case there's more interest
15:20:30 <azaroth> ... press release at REC time
15:20:39 <azaroth> Arnaud: end of the vote is end of the week
15:20:45 <azaroth> ... then 2 weeks to make decision and post it?
15:20:51 <azaroth> ... so might be too short a time?
15:21:21 <azaroth> ... so maybe just the normal communication through twitter etc
15:21:30 <azaroth> sandro: also question of what we would say, like workshop
15:21:42 <azaroth> Arnaud: agree we should mention events coming up
15:21:48 <azaroth> ... before we move on
15:21:56 <azaroth> ... wanted to ask about status of the WG
15:22:08 <azaroth> ... informed request for extension was granted but no formal notification
15:22:20 <azaroth> ... do we need to nudge someone?
15:22:45 <azaroth> ericP: I'm muted ;)
15:23:05 <azaroth> should I scribe confidential decision?
15:23:41 <azaroth> s/should I scribe confidential decision?//
15:24:02 <azaroth> sandro: decision is still to be made public
15:25:00 <azaroth> Arnaud:  Paging.  Not much to say, spec is in CR
15:25:07 <azaroth> ... Need to make progress on the test suite
15:25:13 <azaroth> ... have a framework but not many tests
15:25:17 <azaroth> ... need to record implementations
15:25:29 <azaroth> ... regrets from Steve but that there was no progress yet
15:25:47 <azaroth> ... LD Patch. made decision last call to publish the spec.
15:26:09 <deiu> Yes
15:26:19 <azaroth> ... initially was missing test suite.  Andre sent email saying that we have one.  Where is that, as I have to put in transition req
15:26:22 <azaroth> ... will do that this week
15:26:48 <azaroth> ... important is for WG to do test suite and implementations
15:26:49 <deiu> q+
15:27:11 <azaroth> ... when it gets published isn't that important, rather than working on the implementations
15:27:17 <Arnaud> ack deiu
15:27:45 <azaroth> deiu: Are there comments?
15:28:23 <azaroth> Arnaud: True. Should have more time.
15:28:45 <azaroth> ... Workshop in spring to assess beyond the WG how much interest there is in continuing on LDP
15:29:19 <azaroth> ... some logistics involved. need a host and location, need a description and invitation regarding the scope to announce
15:29:22 <azaroth> ... program committee
15:29:45 <Ashok> q+
15:29:48 <azaroth> ... people who are willing to review submissions. Open to world, announced broadly and ppl requested to submit position papers
15:30:01 <azaroth> ... But if all you want to do is participate, then you can just send a quick email
15:30:15 <azaroth> ... PC reviews submission and categorizes them to try and figure out what is worth presenting
15:30:23 <azaroth> ... not all position papers are worth presenting
15:30:38 <azaroth> ... tho often workshops give everyone a little bit of time
15:31:10 <azaroth> deiu: Don't have an agenda yet
15:31:28 <azaroth> ... in broad terms, would like to invite people to create apps using LDP
15:31:46 <azaroth> ... 1 day of talks about using LDP and decentralized apps, then have ppl look at it and try to do something
15:31:54 <azaroth> ... want to see how easy it is for devs to use
15:32:05 <azaroth> sandro: so a hackathon rather than a workshop
15:32:11 <azaroth> ... would you expect ppl to travel?
15:32:17 <azaroth> deiu: free to do so?
15:32:23 <azaroth> sandro: who is targeted to get to attend?
15:32:26 <Ashok> q-
15:32:46 <azaroth> deiu: good question :) will send emails, tweet, tell friends
15:32:50 <azaroth> sandro: Date picked?
15:32:54 <azaroth> deiu: first three days of march
15:33:01 <azaroth> Arnaud: 3 days is bold :)
15:33:10 <azaroth> sandro: sunday mon tues ?
15:33:12 <azaroth> deiu: Yup
15:33:28 <azaroth> Arnaud: goal is ... to advertise ldp, or gather information about what is missing?
15:33:39 <azaroth> deiu: Both? interested to see reactions to see if it is useful
15:33:52 <azaroth> ... get devs to look at it to see whether devs are interested
15:34:10 <azaroth> Arnaud: overlap with the april workshop? worth doing both?
15:34:19 <azaroth> deiu: east vs west coast?
15:34:32 <azaroth> Arnaud: need a host still
15:34:46 <azaroth> deiu: don't have an agenda yet, should we merge the two?
15:34:51 <azaroth> q+
15:35:00 <azaroth> ... too early?
15:35:02 <Arnaud> ack azaroth
15:36:08 <Ashok> q+
15:36:11 <azaroth> azaroth: Have had good experience with co-located events (workshop, conference, hackathon around annotations)
15:36:18 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
15:36:26 <azaroth> Ashok: who are we targeting with this?
15:36:37 <azaroth> ... implementers or anyone?
15:37:03 <azaroth> sandro: goal I had in mind was spreading the idea of ldp to silicon valley folks
15:37:13 <azaroth> ... but beyond my skillset to make it happen
15:37:17 <deiu> q+
15:37:21 <azaroth> ... not sure anyone is in the place to step forwards
15:37:41 <azaroth> Ashok: very interesting workshop. other one from Andre seems completely different idea
15:38:02 <azaroth> sandro: one other thread -- two weeks later at MIT is the social web WG and indiewebcamp
15:38:14 <Arnaud> ack deiu
15:38:16 <deiu> bblfish might be too
15:38:36 <azaroth> deiu: in a couple of weeks will be in NY talking about social apps and sem web
15:38:53 <azaroth> sandro: certainly - invite people to see if they want to come
15:38:58 <azaroth> deiu: but need to know agenda
15:39:12 <Ashok> I can attend in NYC
15:39:25 <deiu> Maybe just define the scope
15:39:43 <azaroth> Arnaud: we can talk about what it's about, summarize. LDP group is pausing to see what should be done next, interested in feedback on what is good to do, and what can make it better
15:39:55 <azaroth> ... anything that helps in determining those is good
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15:40:30 <azaroth> sandro: lots of components needed beyond LDP to build an app
15:40:51 <azaroth> ericP: How close to ? is it?
15:41:01 <azaroth> sandro: 63% give or take 25%
15:41:16 <deiu> s/close to ?/close to your Crosscloud vision/
15:41:27 <azaroth> ... number of open research questions, this might help to answer some of them
15:41:40 <azaroth> ... what are LDP and social web going to be standardizing over the next couple of years
15:41:48 <Zakim> +??P22
15:41:49 <azaroth> ... workshop on LDP apps could go in a lot of other directionw
15:41:56 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P22 is me
15:41:56 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
15:42:01 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
15:42:01 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
15:42:17 <azaroth> ericP: is it you should use our stuff, vs how do we make our stuff better?
15:42:22 <azaroth> sandro: with Tim on board, the first
15:42:35 <azaroth> ... for SF workshop, an infrastructure for sharing data between web apps
15:43:03 <azaroth> Arnaud: how do we translate idea into concrete plans
15:43:38 <azaroth> sandro: involves more browser / app developer community.  I can try to go through other WGs and w3c to raise the question
15:43:50 <azaroth> Arnaud: Marcus Lanthaler now working for google
15:43:55 <azaroth> ... not sure which office
15:44:22 <azaroth> ... notified that google has joined RDF shapes? and nominated Marcus
15:45:19 <azaroth> ... marcus definitely linked data guy, think he has interest in LDP. New at google so maybe not much leverage but could be a contact
15:45:55 <azaroth> ... what you're suggesting sandro is interesting, good to toss around a bit
15:46:13 <azaroth> ... anything else? encourage people to think about it and give us any ideas on how to proceed
15:46:24 <azaroth> ... 8 weeks needed before hand
15:46:51 <azaroth> sandro: need to do paper acceptance 8 weeks before, to allow travel arrangements
15:47:02 <azaroth> Arnaud: so need to get going if that's what we want to do
15:47:43 <azaroth> ... thanks all for joining, thanks Rob for scribing, talk next week
15:47:43 <Zakim> -Sandro
15:47:48 <Zakim> -Roger
15:47:49 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
15:47:56 <Zakim> -deiu
15:48:01 <Zakim> -azaroth
15:48:03 <Zakim> -CBurleson
15:48:19 <Zakim> -TallTed
15:50:58 <ericP> recent extension announcement: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2014OctDec/0069
15:57:45 <Zakim> -ericP
15:57:46 <Zakim> -nmihindu
15:57:46 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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