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16:04:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:04:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
16:04:26 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
16:04:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
16:04:27 <trackbot> Date: 09 January 2015
16:04:34 <darobin> mmmmmmm
16:04:49 <darobin> Zakim, list
16:04:49 <Zakim> I see Team_JEFF(APPFO)11:00AM, RWC_WAPI()11:00AM active
16:04:50 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are XML_SchemaWG()11:00AM, SW_RDFWG(CHAIRS)11:00AM, SW_HCLS(TERM)11:00AM, Team_Comm(ANNV)10:30AM
16:05:03 <darobin> it doesn't seem to be scheduled
16:05:23 <darobin> something's screwed up
16:05:25 <benjamp> can you call in to discuss?
16:05:27 <xiaoqian> darobin, sorry, the bridge is: https://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_6597
16:05:43 <darobin> ah!
16:05:54 <darobin> Zakim, this is RWC_WAPI
16:05:54 <Zakim> ok, darobin; that matches RWC_WAPI()11:00AM
16:06:00 <darobin> Zakim, code?
16:06:00 <Zakim> the conference code is 9274 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), darobin
16:06:06 <darobin> benjamp: should work now!
16:06:10 <benjamp> great
16:06:11 <darobin> thanks a lot xiaoqian :)
16:06:18 <benjamp> zakim, who is on the call?
16:06:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.425.610.aaaa, Norbert
16:06:27 <darobin> benjamp: sorry I wasn't faster on this, we're a bit distracted over here :-/
16:06:29 <benjamp> zakim, 1.425.610.aaaa is me
16:06:29 <Zakim> sorry, benjamp, I do not recognize a party named '1.425.610.aaaa'
16:06:40 <darobin> Zakim, aaaa is benjamp
16:06:40 <Zakim> +benjamp; got it
16:07:03 <benjamp> anyone else want to call in
16:07:05 <benjamp> ?
16:07:17 <Zakim> + +45.36.98.aadd
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16:07:29 <Zakim> + +1.415.231.aaee
16:07:46 <koji> zakim, +1.415.231.aaee is me
16:07:46 <Zakim> +koji; got it
16:07:59 <Zakim> - +45.36.98.aadd
16:08:38 <benjamp> sch+ Forming the V1 Picture
16:08:45 <Zakim> + +45.36.98.aaff
16:09:53 <benjamp> zakim, who is on the call
16:09:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', benjamp
16:10:06 <johanneswilm> i am
16:10:06 <koji> zakim, who is on the call?
16:10:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see benjamp, Norbert, koji, +45.36.98.aaff
16:10:25 <koji> zakim, who is noisy
16:10:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is noisy', koji
16:10:28 <johanneswilm> i am +45
16:11:22 <koji> zakim, who is here?
16:11:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see benjamp, Norbert, koji, +45.36.98.aaff
16:11:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see smaug, RRSAgent, Zakim, johanneswilm, sicking, Norbert, benjamp, terri, dom, darobin, logbot, schuki, skddc, jgraham, decadance, krijnhoetmer, MikeSmith, stryx`,
16:11:24 <Zakim> ... mounir, MarkS, kochi, paul___irish, panzana`, gavin, renoirb, astearns, adrianba, slightlyoff, gsnedders, tyoshino, igrigorik, mihnea_____, koji, FerasM__, dcooney___,
16:11:27 <Zakim> ... cabanier, hayato, Domenic, cwilso, jsbell__, tobie, scheib, timeless, mkwst, ed, heycam|away, hober, nickstenn, kentaromiura, pdr, krit, Hixie, xiaoqian, Yves, trackbot
16:11:28 <MikeSmith> Zakim, +45 is Johannes
16:11:28 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
16:12:29 <benjamp> zakim, the topic is  Forming the V1 Picture
16:12:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'the topic is  Forming the V1 Picture', benjamp
16:12:36 <benjamp> topic:  Forming the V1 Picture
16:12:38 <koji> ben: 1st item is v1 picture
16:12:45 <MikeSmith> koji, I'm just eavesdropping and I'm on another call, but if you have any problems with logistics feel free to ping me for help
16:13:13 <MikeSmith> Topic: Forming the V1 Picture
16:13:19 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:13:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-webapps-minutes.html MikeSmith
16:13:30 <benjamp> http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/input-events.html
16:13:31 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:13:38 <benjamp> http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/contentEditable.html
16:15:16 <koji> ben: is these 3 specs good for v1?
16:15:24 <koji> ...Input Events spec
16:15:27 <MikeSmith> Present+ BenPeters, NorbertLindenberg, KojiIshii, JohannesWilm
16:15:34 <koji> ...ContentEditable spec
16:15:41 <koji> ...Selection API spec
16:16:16 <koji> ...name of the event
16:16:26 <koji> ...i think "device independent event" is good
16:16:31 <smaug> (if you agree something here about selection etc specs, please send email to webapps mailing list. I and others may comment there. )
16:16:38 <johanneswilm> not realy, name is fine
16:17:24 <MikeSmith> meeting: Editing Task Force
16:17:36 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:17:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-webapps-minutes.html MikeSmith
16:17:39 <koji> all: agree
16:17:52 <koji> ben: next major point is
16:17:56 <benjamp> topic: text replacement
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16:18:47 <MikeSmith> Meeting: Editing Task Force
16:18:52 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:18:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-webapps-minutes.html MikeSmith
16:19:01 <johanneswilm> spelling and grammar check should be quite adjustable by editor developers
16:19:14 <koji> ben: 3 types are on the table
16:19:24 <koji> ben: IME, overtype, and spelling/autocorrect
16:20:56 <koji> johanneswilm: prefer to defer spelling and autocorrect
16:21:19 <johanneswilm> ok, got it. what about decoupling the two from oneanother?
16:21:34 <johanneswilm> make the spell/grammar checking available to javascript on a more general level
16:22:03 <koji> ben: IME inline requires text replacement
16:22:15 <koji> ben: so replacement for this purpose cannot be deferred
16:22:24 <johanneswilm> right now the spell checking requires that one doesn't modify the right click menu
16:22:49 <koji> ben: ime is going to affect this text range
16:23:12 <koji> ben: IME wants to modify this text range
16:24:53 <koji> ben: we need special casing for IME
16:26:45 <Zakim> -Johannes
16:28:00 <koji> ben: I'll investigate two levels  of IME; investigate lower level (non-inline)
16:28:21 <koji> ben: but I think we can solve inline issue, go assuming we can do this
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16:35:00 <johanneswilm2> I have been thrown out a number of times and the phone conenction is quite bad
16:35:04 <benjamp> sorry
16:35:18 <johanneswilm2> next time I will need to investigate how to do the sip connection
16:35:43 <johanneswilm2> I will follow here now
16:36:03 <johanneswilm2> mymost important part today was about the spellching and the V1
16:40:47 <benjamp> inline composition may need to be V2
16:40:57 <benjamp> users expect inline however
16:41:35 <benjamp> maybe we can treat inline composition like an image and make it non-editable?
16:41:52 <benjamp> koji: we should concentrate on stability
16:43:01 <koji> ben: ben: mapping between device events and device independent events
16:43:30 <johanneswilm2> Maybe we shouldn't expect V1 to be a full replacement for any possible situation? the old contenteditable will alongside of it for a while, correct?
16:43:43 <koji> ben: ctrl+B will be translated to "bold" event
16:44:01 <koji> ben: apps wants to handle "bold" event if ctrl+B is going to be translated
16:44:08 <koji> ben: but want to handle ctrl+B if not
16:44:30 <johanneswilm2> the problem with shortcuts is that they are differnet in different languages
16:45:53 <johanneswilm2> so if the app needs more short cuts, it's difficult to know which ones aren't used for a particular user
16:47:39 <Zakim> +Johannes
16:47:41 <benjamp> we should have information in device-specific events about what device-independent event will be caused
16:49:29 <koji> ben: wants events to indicate what the source is
16:50:02 <koji> ben: e.g., apps may want to behave differently if the "enter" key is from keyboard, voice, or something else
16:58:31 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:58:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-webapps-minutes.html MikeSmith
16:58:41 <Zakim> -Johannes
16:58:43 <Zakim> -koji
16:58:45 <Zakim> -Norbert
16:58:50 <Zakim> -benjamp
16:58:52 <Zakim> RWC_WAPI()11:00AM has ended
16:58:52 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.425.610.aaaa, Norbert, +45.36.98.aabb, +1.415.231.aacc, benjamp, +45.36.98.aadd, koji, +45.36.98.aaff, Johannes
16:58:58 <benjamp> zakiim, make minutes
16:59:04 <benjamp> zakim, make minutes
16:59:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', benjamp
17:01:13 <benjamp> rrrsagent, make minutes
17:01:24 <benjamp> rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-webapps-minutes.html benjamp
17:02:50 <koji> benjamp: SIP information here http://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/Zakim-SIP
17:03:26 <benjamp> great, thank you!
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