15:46:52 RRSAgent has joined #mobile-a11y 15:46:52 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/01/08-mobile-a11y-irc 15:46:54 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:46:54 Zakim has joined #mobile-a11y 15:46:56 Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF 15:46:56 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes 15:46:57 Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 15:46:57 Date: 08 January 2015 15:47:27 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2015Jan/0001.html 15:47:46 chair: Kathleen_Wahlbin 15:50:39 Agenda+ Mockup of Appendix A 15:50:40 Agenda+ Status of the Note 15:50:42 Agenda+ Next Steps - next meeting will be Friday Jan 15 15:55:24 marcjohlic has joined #mobile-a11y 15:56:29 Kathy has joined #mobile-a11y 15:58:18 WAI_MATF()11:00AM has now started 15:58:25 +Kathy_Wahlbin 15:59:22 +Kim_Patch 16:00:26 jeanne has joined #mobile-a11y 16:01:44 +Jeanne 16:02:24 Jan has joined #mobile-a11y 16:03:03 +[IPcaller] 16:03:09 agenda? 16:03:10 zakim, drop item 3 16:03:12 agendum 3, Next Steps - next meeting will be Friday Jan 15, dropped 16:03:32 +TomB 16:03:32 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan 16:03:34 +Jan; got it 16:05:09 +Marc_Johlic 16:06:36 jon_avila has joined #mobile-a11y 16:06:56 +Jon_avila 16:07:02 +1 at CSUN 16:09:27 +1 to that day 16:10:18 Kathy: Tuesday, March 3 possible joint meeting with WCAG at CSUN 16:10:54 I'll put out a survey with that question. We are also looking at people attending remotely.. 16:11:27 zakim, take up next 16:11:29 agendum 1. "Mockup of Appendix A" taken up [from Kim] 16:12:10 Kathy: make sure that we align with WCAG so we have consistency within documentation 16:12:16 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Techniques_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes 16:12:34 Scribe: Kathy 16:12:53 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/WD-Mobile-A11y-NOTE-20141219/AppendixA.html 16:13:08 Kim - the first link is the work we did previously 16:13:31 Kim - the second URL is the appendix A that lists the WCAG 2.0 Techniques that Apply to Mobile 16:14:46 Jeanne - this was a manual process of putting this together 16:15:00 Jeanne - we envision on having collapsible text 16:15:28 +AWK 16:15:43 +??P1 16:16:14 AWK has joined #mobile-a11y 16:16:17 http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/ 16:16:40 Kathy: so the idea is to have a list that applies to mobile. 16:16:57 Zakim, who is on the phone? 16:16:57 On the phone I see Kathy_Wahlbin, Kim_Patch, Jeanne, Jan, TomB, Marc_Johlic, Jon_avila, AWK, Michael_Cooper (muted) 16:17:14 Kathy: the doesn't seem to be any exceptions that have come across so far – the general techniques apply to both native and web, the HTML, scripting and aria all apply to mobile web and don't really apply to the native apps because they are very specific techniques to HTML 16:17:48 Kathy: and so with that we don't necessarily need to call out native and web specifically, we could do a general statement, and if there are exceptions we could list those out 16:18:22 Kathy: also listing out failures just they are in WCAG – looking at this so we can align so it's closer to the structure of WCAG 16:18:31 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Techniques_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes 16:18:36 Kathy: ideas about this? How can we present the so it's clearer? 16:19:15 Jan: looking at what's actionable, when it doesn't say native apps… 16:19:42 Kathy: I went through n detail this week and I didn't see any that wouldn't apply to native apps 16:19:53 Jan: depends on what you've built your HTML with 16:20:39 Kathy: that would be a hybrid app, so we could call that out specifically. Instead of applies to native and web it applies to programming in iOS Android framework versus HTML CSS aria are for HTML development 16:21:15 Kathy: you are right Jan it's more complicated because we have hybrid apps 16:21:25 Jan: filter native, hybrid 16:21:41 Kathy: right now we don't, so this appendix is designed to give someone a snapshot of what is applicable to mobile 16:21:58 q+ to say that the advantage of Kathy's proposal is that it can be automated. 16:22:16 Jan: great if someone wants to see the whole thing, but maybe at the top quick list, what doesn't apply. That's what's interesting 16:22:52 Jeanne: we should automate this 16:23:47 Jeanne: room is available, need to firm up quickly 16:25:59 Andrew: WCAG hasn't come to clear conclusion about whether we will meet or not. Either its shared or mobile. 16:26:13 Andrew: Tuesdays the day we would be meeting. 16:26:50 Jeanne: so two rooms and we can be flexible 16:27:04 Kathy: still need to poll the group to see who's going to be there 16:28:00 Kathy: we can sort out the details but it would be good to schedule something and we will work out what to do as far as cooperation with WCAG and meeting time. If people can plan if you are going to CSUN to be there on Tuesday. 16:28:12 Jeanne: room is tentative 16:28:21 Kathy: we will plan on it and work something out 16:28:48 Kathy: any other thoughts on appendix a. I'm working toward making the changes to the structure of it so now's the time to voice any concerns or suggestions 16:29:40 Kathy: Andrew, is this something the WCAG working group would like to look at after we have put together – this is separate from the note right now 16:29:45 Andrew: Yes 16:29:58 zakim, next item 16:29:58 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Kim 16:30:28 q- 16:30:52 q- jeanne 16:31:19 zakim, next item 16:31:19 agendum 2. "Status of the Note" taken up [from Kim] 16:31:42 Kathy: questions, when will sections be ready? Over the next few weeks we will be reviewing sections and getting those finalized 16:32:14 Jan: I feel like I've wrapped up my sections and I took my name off them so anyone can go in and edit as well. If there are other sections you'd like me to work on shoot them over 16:32:31 Kathy: we will review Jan's sections next week, and I should have mine done as well 16:32:43 I put in my bit on contrast. 16:32:56 Kathy: Marc, if there's any sections that you feel you'd like to contribute on or any comments that you have on this document we love to get your input 16:33:11 Jon: email on contrast 16:33:27 Kathy: did you add in the stuff from Greg 16:34:05 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Note:_WCAG_2.0_and_Mobile 16:34:33 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page 16:35:27 Kathy: what I will do for next week is detail the sections, put out a survey so we can review the sections. If you have time please work on writing for the assigned sections. If you have time and can work on other sections or have comments feel free to put those into the document. 16:35:59 Kathy: we can use the time left today to work on the note, and then next time will be going over those sections that are marked done 16:36:11 Kathy: any other questions about what we are trying to accomplish or time frames 16:36:23 q+ 16:36:34 Kathy: please take time to read through the note, send your comments either in an email to the group or put them in the document. We would like to have conversations going off-line as well so we can continue moving this forward. 16:37:32 Andrew: to get Jan's attention because he did the keyboard section – I put a note, talking to Randy Marston about keyboard access later today. 16:37:37 q- 16:38:10 Jan: we can express the keyboard access is very important 16:38:29 Andrew: I will also suggest that if he knows someone from Apple who can be involved with the task force that would be useful 16:43:30 -AWK 16:43:31 -Jeanne 16:43:33 -Jon_avila 16:43:33 -Kim_Patch 16:43:34 -Michael_Cooper 16:43:34 -TomB 16:43:35 -Kathy_Wahlbin 16:43:35 -Jan 16:43:36 -Marc_Johlic 16:43:38 WAI_MATF()11:00AM has ended 16:43:38 Attendees were Kathy_Wahlbin, Kim_Patch, Jeanne, TomB, Jan, Marc_Johlic, Jon_avila, AWK, Michael_Cooper 16:47:34 rrsagent, make minutes 16:47:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/08-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kim 16:49:43 rrsagent, bye 16:49:43 I see no action items