IRC log of dpub on 2015-01-05

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Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
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Date: 05 January 2015
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Chair: Tzviya
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ivan has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Dec/0046.html
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+Tzviya
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+ +1.646.336.aaaa
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+dauwhe
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zakim, dial ivan-voip
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ok, ivan; the call is being made
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+Ivan
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+[IPcaller]
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IP caller is Heather Flanagan
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16:00:12 [ivan]
zakim, IPcaller is HeatherF
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+HeatherF; got it
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+Stearns
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+ +1.212.364.aabb
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Zakim aabb is me
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zakim, aabb is philm
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+philm; got it
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+pkra
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+[Safari]
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Zakim, +[Safari] is me
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sorry, dkaplan3, I do not recognize a party named '+[Safari]'
16:02:10 [ivan]
zakim, Safari is dkaplan3
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+dkaplan3; got it
16:02:16 [tzviya]
zakim, pick a victim
16:02:16 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose clapierre
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+Bill_Kasdorf
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zakim, pick a victim
16:02:32 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose clapierre
16:02:45 [dauwhe]
scribenick: dauwhe
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+ +1.609.216.aacc
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zakim, aacc is laura_f
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+laura_f; got it
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+[Ugent]
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zakim, Ugent is me
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+bjdmeest; got it
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+TimCole
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Present+ Ben_De_Meester
16:04:14 [dauwhe]
tzviya: Markus will not be with us today
16:04:16 [ivan]
Regrets: markus
16:04:19 [dauwhe]
... Happy New Year
16:04:21 [pkra]
Happy New Year
16:04:26 [tzviya]
http://www.w3.org/2014/12/22-dpub-minutes.html
16:04:40 [dauwhe]
tzviya: comments/objections about last meeting's minutes?
16:04:53 [dauwhe]
... talked about metadata task force, went over document
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... Deborah and Charles discussed a11y TF's goals
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zakim, laura_f is lfowler
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+lfowler; got it
16:05:24 [dauwhe]
tzviya: Comments on minutes?
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... approved.
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... today we want to discuss where we are with the various task forces, especially STEM
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Regrets+ Liam
16:06:40 [dauwhe]
tzviya: let's go through task forces in order
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... talk about plans, deadlines, etc.
16:07:02 [pkra]
Could you post the link to the tracker?
16:07:15 [Zakim]
+ +1.585.217.aadd
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thank you :)
16:07:28 [tzviya]
action tracker http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/open
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Error finding 'tracker'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
16:07:30 [pkra]
I second dauwhe
16:07:48 [david_stroup]
585.217
16:07:58 [ivan]
zakim, aadd is david_stroup
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+david_stroup; got it
16:08:00 [tzviya]
pagination is working on updating latinreq regarding bleeds
16:08:30 [tzviya]
...lots going on with CSS WG
16:08:56 [astearns]
houdini meeting planning: https://wiki.css-houdini.org/planning/sydney-2015
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...Boxtree API Taskforce (project Houdini) has been formed
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+ +1.201.236.aaee
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...this is being presented as extensible CSS
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...this will allow people to create new CSS properties
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+q
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-q
16:10:18 [ivan]
q+
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q+
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q+
16:10:29 [tzviya]
bill_kasdorf: is this a big, monolithic project or incremental?
16:10:53 [tzviya]
dauwhe: some changes are fundamental and must be implemented first
16:11:07 [pbelfanti]
yes, 201 is Paul
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-lfowler
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...example, must figure out a way to make custom CSS a possibility before we can do this
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zakim, aaee is pbelfanti
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+pbelfanti; got it
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q?
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ack ivan
16:12:08 [tzviya]
ivan: how will this solve the fundamental issue of pagination? is this the only way to solve pagination?
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-Bill_Kasdorf
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+Bill_Kasdorf
16:13:07 [tzviya]
dauwhe: not sure about any of these. This is just getting started. Defining the fundamentals of Boxtree seems fundamental to exposing requirements of Brady's pagination requirements
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Ivan: This also seems much more complicated than pagination though. Is there a simpler way to do pagination?
16:14:00 [tzviya]
dauwhe: some of this is philosophical and based on extensible web manifesto
16:14:54 [tzviya]
...there is an effort to give peopel tools to do things rather than giving them specific features
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,,,it is unclear exactly how this will play out
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astearns: a concrete way that this could play out in pagination is that now people have JS libraries that predict how content will chunk out into "pages"
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...the boxtree model actually gives you the measurements
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q+
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ack astearns
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...my participation is to tease out the little things that will make work in current browsers a little easier
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ack astearns
16:17:04 [Bill_Kasdorf]
+1
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ack pkra
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ack clapierre
16:18:03 [tzviya]
clappierre: figuring out how much text will fit on a "page" must depend on user as well because different users adjust size
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q+
16:18:32 [tzviya]
astearns: one of the things that we must adjust is that now scripts do not actually take in information about fonts
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ack pkra
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+ +1.512.445.aaff
16:19:24 [tzviya]
pkra: interacting with fonts is an interesting question that comes up with other APIs (such as mathJax) as well
16:19:34 [astearns]
yes - finding out what font is being used *and its actual metrics* is crucial
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exciting.
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scribenick: dauwhe
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tzviya: Brady isn't on call, but did move forward with paginaation requirements
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Bill_Kasdorf: we made final edits to doc
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... and responded to Tzviya's feedback
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... and should be ready to publish on January 8
16:20:55 [dauwhe]
ivan: yes
16:21:16 [dauwhe]
Bill_Kasdorf: Nothing is being asked of us now :)
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q?
16:21:41 [dauwhe]
... much of what we discovered is that education is needed, not new specs
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... we're not clear on what our next steps would be. We're feeling somewhat finished.
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tzviya: Thanks
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... Content and Markup TF
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... we had some discussions with PF in December
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... now we need to set up joint task force
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... to define Digipub vocab as module of ARIA
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... I will work on that with Ivan and PF
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... and then get terms defined over next few weeks
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... and we need volunteers!
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[crickets]
16:23:16 [dauwhe]
HeatherF: I'd be interested in helping
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tzviya: Thanks!
16:23:31 [clapierre]
I believe Deborah and I are on that aren't we?
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???: I would like to help out
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zakim, aabb is skeohane
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sorry, skeohane, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
16:23:52 [dauwhe]
tzviya: let's remove annotations from our list of task forces
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tzviya: a11y
16:24:13 [ivan]
s/???/pkra
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clapierre: We will be starting up our task force
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... we have wiki, etc
16:24:41 [ivan]
zakim, aaff is skeohane
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+skeohane; got it
16:24:44 [dauwhe]
... what is required in terms of digital publishing a11y
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... first phone call this friday
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... either tuesday morning or friday afternoons
16:25:09 [dauwhe]
tzviya: Thanks
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... let's talk about STEM
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q?
16:25:44 [dauwhe]
pkra: Was able to spend some time on this
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... questions have been transferred into questionairre
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... my next step is to get feedback from the group
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... on track to get it out before the end of the month
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q+
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ack ivan
16:27:06 [dauwhe]
ivan: to clarify, we had some technical problems before XMas. Is it working for you?
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clapierre: yes
16:27:17 [dauwhe]
ivan: technical issues have been solved?
16:27:22 [dauwhe]
clapierre: yes.
16:27:24 [ivan]
s/clapierre/pkra
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https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/?login
16:27:47 [dauwhe]
pkra: here's the link to the survey. If you're a member you can edit it at your own risk
16:27:53 [dauwhe]
tzviya: do you want feedback now?
16:28:03 [dauwhe]
pkra: Hold off until tomorrow
16:28:51 [dauwhe]
tzviya: when you're finished, please send email to group
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q?
16:29:05 [dauwhe]
... we don't want this group to respond to the questionairre, just send feedback
16:29:23 [dauwhe]
pkra: yes, right now I want feedback.
16:29:37 [dauwhe]
tzviya: anything else you need from us?
16:29:42 [dauwhe]
pkra: I'm good right now.
16:30:03 [dauwhe]
tzviya: one other thing I'm going to add to agenda
16:30:14 [dauwhe]
... we need to review i18n web page and documentation
16:30:23 [dauwhe]
... no one has had the time to do this?
16:30:52 [dauwhe]
HeatherF: I can help
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ivan: Do you need the pointers?
16:31:23 [dauwhe]
HeatherF: if you could send me pointers that would be faster
16:31:27 [dauwhe]
tzviya: I'll send you a note
16:31:52 [HeatherF]
Happy to volunteer.
16:32:20 [HeatherF]
When is our next call?
16:32:33 [dauwhe]
tzviya: next big project will be the STEM survey
16:32:43 [dauwhe]
... over next few weeks Markus will talk about EPUBWEB
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-skeohane
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-pbelfanti
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-dkaplan3
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-pkra
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-Bill_Kasdorf
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-bjdmeest
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-clapierre
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-Tzviya
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-TimCole
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-philm
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-david_stroup
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-Ivan
16:32:58 [dauwhe]
... thanks everyone! Use your extra half-hour wisely.
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- +1.646.336.aaaa
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-Stearns
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-HeatherF
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-dauwhe
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DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were clapierre, Tzviya, +1.646.336.aaaa, dauwhe, Ivan, HeatherF, Stearns, +1.212.364.aabb, philm, pkra, dkaplan3, Bill_Kasdorf, +1.609.216.aacc, bjdmeest, TimCole,
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... lfowler, +1.585.217.aadd, david_stroup, +1.201.236.aaee, pbelfanti, +1.512.445.aaff, skeohane
16:33:09 [pkra]
Ivan will you be at Force15 next wek?
16:33:15 [ivan]
yep
16:33:24 [pkra]
great! See you there.
16:33:29 [ivan]
indeed!
16:33:42 [ivan]
zakim, who is here?
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apparently DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended, ivan
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On IRC I see lfowler, bjdmeest, Julie_Morris, tzviya, pkra, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, clapierre, ivan, liam, astearns, rego, iank__, mihnea_____, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot
16:33:51 [ivan]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html ivan
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trackbot, end telcon
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Zakim, list attendees
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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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