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15:56:15 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:56:15 <trackbot> Date: 05 January 2015
15:56:20 <ivan> Chair: Tzviya
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15:57:12 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Dec/0046.html
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15:58:40 <Zakim> + +1.646.336.aaaa
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15:59:26 <Zakim> +dauwhe
15:59:40 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
15:59:40 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:59:41 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:59:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:59:55 <philm> philm has joined #dpub
15:59:55 <HeatherF> IP caller is Heather Flanagan
16:00:08 <phil_m> phil_m has joined #dpub
16:00:12 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is HeatherF
16:00:12 <Zakim> +HeatherF; got it
16:00:34 <Zakim> +Stearns
16:00:50 <Bill_Kasdorf> Bill_Kasdorf has joined #dpub
16:00:54 <Zakim> + +1.212.364.aabb
16:01:07 <philm> Zakim aabb is me
16:01:17 <ivan> zakim, aabb is philm
16:01:17 <Zakim> +philm; got it
16:01:18 <Zakim> +pkra
16:01:30 <Zakim> +[Safari]
16:01:52 <dkaplan3> Zakim, +[Safari] is me
16:01:52 <Zakim> sorry, dkaplan3, I do not recognize a party named '+[Safari]'
16:02:10 <ivan> zakim, Safari is dkaplan3
16:02:10 <Zakim> +dkaplan3; got it
16:02:16 <tzviya> zakim, pick a victim
16:02:16 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose clapierre
16:02:21 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
16:02:32 <tzviya> zakim, pick a victim
16:02:32 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose clapierre
16:02:45 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
16:02:55 <Zakim> + +1.609.216.aacc
16:02:59 <TimCole> TimCole has joined #dpub
16:03:24 <ivan> zakim, aacc is laura_f
16:03:24 <Zakim> +laura_f; got it
16:03:34 <bjdmeest> bjdmeest has joined #dpub
16:03:47 <Zakim> +[Ugent]
16:03:56 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me
16:03:56 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it
16:03:57 <Zakim> +TimCole
16:04:08 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester
16:04:14 <dauwhe> tzviya: Markus will not be with us today
16:04:16 <ivan> Regrets: markus
16:04:19 <dauwhe> ... Happy New Year
16:04:21 <pkra> Happy New Year
16:04:26 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2014/12/22-dpub-minutes.html
16:04:40 <dauwhe> tzviya: comments/objections about last meeting's minutes?
16:04:53 <dauwhe> ... talked about metadata task force, went over document
16:04:56 <lfowler> lfowler has joined #dpub
16:05:03 <dauwhe> ... Deborah and Charles discussed a11y TF's goals
16:05:14 <ivan> zakim, laura_f is lfowler
16:05:14 <Zakim> +lfowler; got it
16:05:24 <dauwhe> tzviya: Comments on minutes?
16:05:29 <dauwhe> ... approved.
16:05:54 <dauwhe> ... today we want to discuss where we are with the various task forces, especially STEM
16:05:57 <liam> Regrets+ Liam
16:06:40 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's go through task forces in order
16:06:42 <david_stroup> david_stroup has joined #dpub
16:06:59 <dauwhe> ... talk about plans, deadlines, etc.
16:07:02 <pkra> Could you post the link to the tracker?
16:07:15 <Zakim> + +1.585.217.aadd
16:07:15 <pkra> thank you :)
16:07:28 <tzviya> action tracker http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/open
16:07:28 <trackbot> Error finding 'tracker'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
16:07:30 <pkra> I second dauwhe
16:07:48 <david_stroup> 585.217
16:07:58 <ivan> zakim, aadd is david_stroup
16:07:58 <Zakim> +david_stroup; got it
16:08:00 <tzviya> pagination is working on updating latinreq regarding bleeds
16:08:30 <tzviya> ...lots going on with CSS WG
16:08:56 <astearns> houdini meeting planning: https://wiki.css-houdini.org/planning/sydney-2015
16:08:57 <tzviya> ...Boxtree API Taskforce (project Houdini) has been formed
16:09:04 <Zakim> + +1.201.236.aaee
16:09:11 <tzviya> ...this is being presented as extensible CSS
16:09:34 <pbelfanti> pbelfanti has joined #dpub
16:09:46 <tzviya> ...this will allow people to create new CSS properties
16:09:51 <pkra> +q
16:09:57 <pkra> -q
16:10:18 <ivan> q+
16:10:23 <astearns> q+
16:10:28 <pkra> q+
16:10:29 <tzviya> bill_kasdorf: is this a big, monolithic project or incremental?
16:10:53 <tzviya> dauwhe: some changes are fundamental and must be implemented first
16:11:07 <pbelfanti> yes, 201 is Paul
16:11:07 <Zakim> -lfowler
16:11:16 <tzviya> ...example, must figure out a way to make custom CSS a possibility before we can do this
16:11:17 <ivan> zakim, aaee is pbelfanti
16:11:17 <Zakim> +pbelfanti; got it
16:11:18 <tzviya> q?
16:11:23 <tzviya> ack ivan
16:12:08 <tzviya> ivan: how will this solve the fundamental issue of pagination? is this the only way to solve pagination?
16:12:23 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
16:12:46 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
16:13:07 <tzviya> dauwhe: not sure about any of these. This is just getting started. Defining the fundamentals of Boxtree seems fundamental to exposing requirements of Brady's pagination requirements
16:13:41 <tzviya> Ivan: This also seems much more complicated than pagination though. Is there a simpler way to do pagination?
16:14:00 <tzviya> dauwhe: some of this is philosophical and based on extensible web manifesto
16:14:54 <tzviya> ...there is an effort to give peopel tools to do things rather than giving them specific features
16:15:10 <tzviya> ,,,it is unclear exactly how this will play out
16:15:50 <tzviya> astearns: a concrete way that this could play out in pagination is that now people have JS libraries that predict how content will chunk out into "pages"
16:16:03 <tzviya> ...the boxtree model actually gives you the measurements
16:16:07 <clapierre> q+
16:16:50 <ivan> ack astearns
16:16:52 <tzviya> ...my participation is to tease out the little things that will make work in current browsers a little easier
16:17:01 <tzviya> ack astearns
16:17:04 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
16:17:05 <tzviya> ack pkra
16:17:15 <tzviya> ack clapierre
16:18:03 <tzviya> clappierre: figuring out how much text will fit on a "page" must depend on user as well because different users adjust size
16:18:15 <pkra> q+
16:18:32 <tzviya> astearns: one of the things that we must adjust is that now scripts do not actually take in information about fonts
16:18:37 <tzviya> ack pkra
16:18:46 <Zakim> + +1.512.445.aaff
16:19:24 <tzviya> pkra: interacting with fonts is an interesting question that comes up with other APIs (such as mathJax) as well
16:19:34 <astearns> yes - finding out what font is being used *and its actual metrics* is crucial
16:19:50 <pkra> exciting.
16:20:05 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
16:20:24 <dauwhe> tzviya: Brady isn't on call, but did move forward with paginaation requirements
16:20:33 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: we made final edits to doc
16:20:45 <dauwhe> ... and responded to Tzviya's feedback
16:20:53 <dauwhe> ... and should be ready to publish on January 8
16:20:55 <dauwhe> ivan: yes
16:21:16 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: Nothing is being asked of us now :)
16:21:23 <tzviya> q?
16:21:41 <dauwhe> ... much of what we discovered is that education is needed, not new specs
16:22:04 <dauwhe> ... we're not clear on what our next steps would be. We're feeling somewhat finished.
16:22:07 <dauwhe> tzviya: Thanks
16:22:13 <dauwhe> ... Content and Markup TF
16:22:21 <dauwhe> ... we had some discussions with PF in December
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16:22:28 <dauwhe> ... now we need to set up joint task force
16:22:40 <dauwhe> ... to define Digipub vocab as module of ARIA
16:22:47 <dauwhe> ... I will work on that with Ivan and PF
16:22:58 <dauwhe> ... and then get terms defined over next few weeks
16:23:03 <dauwhe> ... and we need volunteers!
16:23:07 <dauwhe> [crickets]
16:23:16 <dauwhe> HeatherF: I'd be interested in helping
16:23:20 <dauwhe> tzviya: Thanks!
16:23:31 <clapierre> I believe Deborah and I are on that aren't we?
16:23:36 <dauwhe> ???: I would like to help out
16:23:47 <skeohane> zakim, aabb is skeohane
16:23:47 <Zakim> sorry, skeohane, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
16:23:52 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's remove annotations from our list of task forces
16:23:58 <dauwhe> tzviya: a11y
16:24:13 <ivan> s/???/pkra
16:24:17 <dauwhe> clapierre: We will be starting up our task force
16:24:21 <dauwhe> ... we have wiki, etc
16:24:41 <ivan> zakim, aaff is skeohane
16:24:41 <Zakim> +skeohane; got it
16:24:44 <dauwhe> ... what is required in terms of digital publishing a11y
16:24:50 <dauwhe> ... first phone call this friday
16:25:01 <dauwhe> ... either tuesday morning or friday afternoons
16:25:09 <dauwhe> tzviya: Thanks
16:25:21 <dauwhe> ... let's talk about STEM
16:25:28 <tzviya> q?
16:25:44 <dauwhe> pkra: Was able to spend some time on this
16:25:56 <dauwhe> ... questions have been transferred into questionairre
16:26:20 <dauwhe> ... my next step is to get feedback from the group
16:26:34 <dauwhe> ... on track to get it out before the end of the month
16:26:39 <ivan> q+
16:26:49 <tzviya> ack ivan
16:27:06 <dauwhe> ivan: to clarify, we had some technical problems before XMas. Is it working for you?
16:27:08 <dauwhe> clapierre: yes
16:27:17 <dauwhe> ivan: technical issues have been solved?
16:27:22 <dauwhe> clapierre: yes.
16:27:24 <ivan> s/clapierre/pkra
16:27:25 <pkra> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/?login
16:27:47 <dauwhe> pkra: here's the link to the survey. If you're a member you can edit it at your own risk
16:27:53 <dauwhe> tzviya: do you want feedback now?
16:28:03 <dauwhe> pkra: Hold off until tomorrow
16:28:51 <dauwhe> tzviya: when you're finished, please send email to group
16:28:59 <tzviya> q?
16:29:05 <dauwhe> ... we don't want this group to respond to the questionairre, just send feedback
16:29:23 <dauwhe> pkra: yes, right now I want feedback.
16:29:37 <dauwhe> tzviya: anything else you need from us?
16:29:42 <dauwhe> pkra: I'm good right now.
16:30:03 <dauwhe> tzviya: one other thing I'm going to add to agenda
16:30:14 <dauwhe> ... we need to review i18n web page and documentation
16:30:23 <dauwhe> ... no one has had the time to do this?
16:30:52 <dauwhe> HeatherF: I can help
16:31:14 <dauwhe> ivan: Do you need the pointers?
16:31:23 <dauwhe> HeatherF: if you could send me pointers that would be faster
16:31:27 <dauwhe> tzviya: I'll send you a note
16:31:52 <HeatherF> Happy to volunteer.
16:32:20 <HeatherF> When is our next call?
16:32:33 <dauwhe> tzviya: next big project will be the STEM survey
16:32:43 <dauwhe> ... over next few weeks Markus will talk about EPUBWEB
16:32:45 <Zakim> -skeohane
16:32:50 <Zakim> -pbelfanti
16:32:51 <Zakim> -dkaplan3
16:32:52 <Zakim> -pkra
16:32:53 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
16:32:53 <Zakim> -bjdmeest
16:32:54 <Zakim> -clapierre
16:32:54 <Zakim> -Tzviya
16:32:56 <Zakim> -TimCole
16:32:56 <Zakim> -philm
16:32:58 <Zakim> -david_stroup
16:32:58 <Zakim> -Ivan
16:32:58 <dauwhe> ... thanks everyone! Use your extra half-hour wisely.
16:32:59 <Zakim> - +1.646.336.aaaa
16:33:00 <Zakim> -Stearns
16:33:01 <Zakim> -HeatherF
16:33:03 <Zakim> -dauwhe
16:33:05 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
16:33:05 <Zakim> Attendees were clapierre, Tzviya, +1.646.336.aaaa, dauwhe, Ivan, HeatherF, Stearns, +1.212.364.aabb, philm, pkra, dkaplan3, Bill_Kasdorf, +1.609.216.aacc, bjdmeest, TimCole,
16:33:05 <Zakim> ... lfowler, +1.585.217.aadd, david_stroup, +1.201.236.aaee, pbelfanti, +1.512.445.aaff, skeohane
16:33:09 <pkra> Ivan will you be at Force15 next wek?
16:33:15 <ivan> yep
16:33:24 <pkra> great! See you there.
16:33:29 <ivan> indeed!
16:33:42 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:33:42 <Zakim> apparently DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended, ivan
16:33:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see lfowler, bjdmeest, Julie_Morris, tzviya, pkra, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, clapierre, ivan, liam, astearns, rego, iank__, mihnea_____, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot
16:33:51 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:33:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html ivan
16:34:08 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
16:34:08 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:34:08 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:34:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:34:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
16:34:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:34:17 <RRSAgent> I see no action items