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15:49:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF
15:49:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
15:49:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:49:53 <trackbot> Date: 18 December 2014
15:50:12 <Kim>   chair: Kimberly_Patch
15:50:41 <Kim> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2014Dec/0006.html
15:51:09 <Kim> Agenda+ Q&A Note assignments / status
15:51:11 <Kim> Agenda+ Platform capabilities finish discussion https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Platform_Capabilities
15:51:12 <Kim> Agenda+ Comments on note so far https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Note:_WCAG_2.0_and_Mobile
15:51:14 <Kim> Agenda+ Next steps – next meeting January 8
15:52:12 <Kim> Regrets  + Kathleen_Wahlbin, Alan
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15:59:56 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()11:00AM has now started
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16:02:02 <Zakim> +Jeanne
16:02:14 <jeanne> zakim, who is on the phone
16:02:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', jeanne
16:02:37 <Zakim> +??P16
16:03:10 <MichaelC> MichaelC has changed the topic to: Mobile Accessibility Task Force; Teleconferences Thursdays 11 am Eastern; Zakim +1.617.761.6200 passcode 6283
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16:06:22 <Jan_> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
16:06:22 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
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16:08:00 <jon_avila> scribe: jon_avila
16:08:59 <Kim> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Note:_WCAG_2.0_and_Mobile
16:09:14 <jon_avila> jeanne: Section 4: discussion on virtual keyboard to type of data entry required.
16:09:25 <Brent> zadim, aaaa is really Brent
16:09:46 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Brent
16:09:46 <Zakim> +Brent; got it
16:09:47 <Brent> zakim, aaaa is really Brent
16:09:48 <Zakim> sorry, Brent, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
16:10:07 <jon_avila> jeanne: overall very positive things.  Issue for people who are using phone with VoiceOver changing keyboard for different fields can be an issue.
16:10:27 <jon_avila> KP: D1 on the note
16:10:56 <jon_avila> jan: calling different variants of the system keyboard.  User need to know how the system works.
16:11:48 <jon_avila> jeanne: not so much about numbers and general text but more of an issue for dot and at sign for urls
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16:12:10 <jon_avila> mc: OS feature and not web app feature
16:12:22 <jon_avila> jan: OS features -- perhaps give OS developers advice
16:12:43 <jon_avila> jeanne: could this be a UAAG feature to give people an option to standardize keyboard
16:12:57 <jon_avila> q+
16:13:04 <Detlev> q+
16:13:35 <jon_avila> mc: UAAG level thing seems reasonable
16:14:48 <jon_avila> mc: spec on input editors API
16:14:53 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/ime-api/ Input Method Editor API
16:15:33 <jon_avila> mc: separate concerns about how this reacts
16:16:02 <jon_avila> kp: any other questions?
16:16:09 <jon_avila> q-
16:17:09 <Detlev> q-
16:17:34 <jeanne> +1 to supporting HTML guidelines
16:20:08 <jon_avila> kp: any thoughts on d2? auto form fields
16:20:59 <jon_avila> detlev: don't see particular issue accessibility wise
16:21:44 <jon_avila> jeanne: harder to type on mobile phone
16:21:46 <jon_avila> kp: what should we say?
16:23:22 <jon_avila> jan: in general not bugging people for info site can determine.
16:23:44 <jon_avila> kp: Siri knows who you are -- is there more information that can be automatic
16:25:06 <jon_avila> detlev: issue could exist with information that is filled in incorrectly or info user doesn't want.
16:27:21 <jon_avila> ja: may allow option to choose from list of choices rather than requiring keyboard input
16:27:37 <jon_avila> kp: d3 support characteristics of platform
16:28:43 <jon_avila> jan: if you have access to check capabilities follow them
16:29:00 <jon_avila> jeanne: only recently custom fonts access was made available.
16:29:43 <jon_avila> detlev: font resizing varies and implementation varies, a lot of differences in support
16:30:38 <jon_avila> detlev: sometimes wrapping is handled and sometimes not.
16:32:05 <jon_avila> kp: Does this cause a user issue?
16:32:35 <jon_avila> detlev: users may need to use different zoom functionality, AT zoom versus pinch or text resize
16:34:01 <jon_avila> kp: can be a stop because large percent of users can't in practice use something, e.g. issue with virtual keyboard and zooming
16:35:23 <jon_avila> jeanne: adjust size of caption is something to add
16:36:39 <jon_avila> detlev: can provide something on system text resize and the way it is supported
16:37:39 <jon_avila> kp: do you want to add resize text section?
16:40:09 <jon_avila> kp: what's different about c4 grouping related interactive elements together for mobile
16:40:42 <jon_avila> detlev: several tab stops one element with labels and hints.
16:42:46 <jon_avila> detlev: also issue with grouping link together -- not sure if it belongs here - practical design issue.
16:43:37 <jon_avila> jan: a problem for desktop too
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16:55:43 <jeanne2> Schedule: Jan 27 to WCAG WG
16:55:57 <jeanne2> ... Feb 10, revisions back to WCAG
16:56:06 <jeanne2> ... Feb 17, final approval
16:56:15 <MichaelC> mc: I propose organizing the note by whatever scheme is optimal to its content, not trying to organize it around WCAG / UAAG structrue
16:56:27 <MichaelC> also don´t restrict to advice that maps to WCAG / UAAG success criteria
16:56:40 <MichaelC> provide your advice, map (as sufficient or advisory) where mappings exist
16:56:55 <MichaelC> what doesn´t map is a gap, and that´s input into a guidelines gap analysis for future work
16:57:30 <MichaelC> s/structrue/structure/
17:02:35 <Zakim> -Brent
17:03:25 <Zakim> -Jan
17:03:27 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:03:29 <Zakim> -jon_avila
17:03:31 <Zakim> -Jeanne
17:03:33 <Zakim> -Detlev
17:04:42 <Kim> zakim, list participants
17:04:43 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kim_Patch, Jeanne, Michael_Cooper, Detlev, Jan, jon_avila, +1.512.276.aaaa, Brent
17:04:54 <Kim> rrsagent, make minutes
17:04:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Kim
17:07:01 <Zakim> -Kim_Patch
17:07:03 <Zakim> WAI_MATF()11:00AM has ended
17:07:03 <Zakim> Attendees were Kim_Patch, Jeanne, Michael_Cooper, Detlev, Jan, jon_avila, +1.512.276.aaaa, Brent
17:07:12 <Kim>   rrsagent, bye
17:07:12 <RRSAgent> I see no action items