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16:50:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
16:50:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
16:50:55 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:50:55 <trackbot> Date: 18 December 2014
16:54:22 <paulc_> is aware of the MIT network issues
16:55:12 <paulc_> ... but I can now access the w3c.org home page which I could not do 10 mins ago
16:57:53 <paulc_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014OctDec/0014.html
16:58:02 <paulc_> zakim, what is the code?
16:58:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc_
16:58:20 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
16:58:27 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:58:34 <paulc_> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:58:34 <Zakim> +paulc_; got it
16:59:51 <paulc_> zakim, who is here?
16:59:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc_
16:59:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, SteveF, paulc_, IanPouncey, thinkxl, anssik, plh, danbri, darobin, ShaneM, [Beta], gavin, MarkS, panzana`, gsnedders, mihnea_____, mattur, nikos, stryx`,
16:59:53 <Zakim> ... AAA_awright, cabanier, Domenic, cwilso, tobie, slightlyoff, timeless, tommorris, ed, adrianba, paul___irish, krijnhoetmer_, heycam|away, hober, wilhelm, MikeSmith, decadance,
16:59:53 <Zakim> ... jgraham, pdr, krit, Philip, jmb, Hixie, logbot, xiaoqian, wseltzer, trackbot
17:00:31 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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17:01:12 <Zakim> +??P12
17:01:50 <janina> zakim, ??P12 is me
17:01:50 <Zakim> +janina; got it
17:01:56 <Zakim> +Plh
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17:03:04 <Zakim> +Sam
17:03:18 <paulc_> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:03:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc_, ShaneM, janina, Plh, Sam
17:03:48 <plh> scribe: plh
17:03:48 <paulc_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014OctDec/0014.html
17:03:59 <paulc_> Chair: paulc_
17:04:20 <plh> Topic: action items due today
17:04:31 <plh> action-249?
17:04:31 <trackbot> action-249 -- Robin Berjon to Triage new whatwg updates, html bugs, landscape document in order to list priority content for modules -- due 2014-11-25 -- OPEN
17:04:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/249
17:04:50 <plh> Paul: Robin met with the chairs and provided an update in the action
17:05:03 <plh> ... early january is more likely
17:05:12 <plh> action-251?
17:05:12 <trackbot> action-251 -- Sam Ruby to Contact public identifiers and form http extension proponents to ask what they plan to do w/ the specs -- due 2014-11-27 -- OPEN
17:05:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/251
17:05:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:05:29 <plh> Paul: sam contacted the authors
17:05:29 <darobin> Zakim, [ is me
17:05:29 <Zakim> +darobin; got it
17:05:52 <plh> ... last update was a week ago
17:05:56 <plh> ... anything left to do?
17:06:13 <plh> sam: I did what was asked but further tasks need to be done
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17:06:22 <plh> close action-251
17:06:22 <trackbot> Closed action-251.
17:06:36 <plh> action-252?
17:06:36 <trackbot> action-252 -- Sam Ruby to - contact polyglot proponents to ask what they plan to do w/ the spec -- due 2014-11-27 -- OPEN
17:06:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/252
17:06:48 <plh> Sam: I like to declare defeat on that one
17:07:12 <plh> Paul: declined the IE invitation
17:07:18 <plh> ... we'll take this back in early January
17:07:32 <plh> action-254?
17:07:32 <trackbot> action-254 -- Robin Berjon to Triage and prioritise DOM bugs based on incompatible tests (+XMLDocument#load) -- due 2014-12-19 -- OPEN
17:07:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/254
17:07:52 <plh> Robin: still on it and still plan to finish this year
17:07:55 <paulc_> rrsagent, generate the minutes
17:07:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-html-wg-minutes.html paulc_
17:08:12 <plh> paul: are you going to send a summary to the group?
17:08:14 <Zakim> +??P0
17:08:17 <plh> robin: it's a  mixed
17:08:38 <plh> ... some test fixes, bugs against the spec, etc.
17:08:49 <plh> ... so we'll have to see if further subsetting is needed
17:09:16 <plh> Topic: testing task force
17:09:20 <paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Dec/0025.html
17:09:30 <plh> Paul: team and chairs discussed and we sent out an email that the tf was dissolved
17:09:45 <plh> ... did its job 5 years ago but email went dead in 2014
17:09:52 <tantek> zakim, ??p0 is me
17:09:52 <tantek> zakim, mute me
17:09:52 <Zakim> +tantek; got it
17:09:53 <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
17:09:54 <plh> ... and doing testing has chaanged
17:10:08 <plh> ... some +1 were received
17:10:23 <tantek> zakim, agenda?
17:10:23 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
17:10:23 <plh> Topic: a11 tf report
17:10:41 <plh> Janina: looking at the future
17:10:51 <ShaneM> q+ to mention text alternatives tentative schedule
17:10:52 <plh> ... to improve accesskey
17:11:32 <plh> ... we may have common requirements with the annotation folks when pointing to elements in the page
17:11:42 <plh> ... possibility a common requirement
17:12:11 <plh> paul: main thing is work on access key and making it a module. he'll contact Robin for that
17:12:21 <plh> ... to follow the new methodology from Robin
17:12:25 <plh> Robin: sure
17:12:36 <tantek> q+ to point out nav-index and previous key-equivalent CSS properties, as well as directional navigation
17:12:39 <plh> Janina: question from media subteam
17:12:51 <plh> ... got late comments from bbc on the media requirements
17:13:00 <plh> ... we probably ask the tf if it's ok to publish as Note
17:13:12 <plh> ... is it something we should ask the wider group?
17:13:20 <tantek> zakim, unmute me
17:13:20 <Zakim> tantek should no longer be muted
17:13:38 <plh> paul: you're always welcome to ask for the wider review
17:13:40 <plh> q?
17:14:07 <plh> ack tantek
17:14:07 <Zakim> tantek, you wanted to point out nav-index and previous key-equivalent CSS properties, as well as directional navigation
17:14:30 <plh> Tantek: since you're looking at accesskey (great news!), we have related work in css3 UI
17:14:39 <plh> ... so see if there are materials there
17:14:41 <tantek> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui/#nav-index
17:14:49 <plh> ... we have the nav-index property
17:14:57 <plh> ... and related directional-navigation property
17:15:14 <tantek> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui/#nav-dir
17:15:39 <plh> ... it's in css because it alters the display order
17:15:54 <plh> ... any kind of arrow key focus needs to be aligned with the display order
17:16:10 <plh> ... accesskey, we did try to develop an equivalent in the past
17:16:15 <plh> ... but had a lot of issues
17:16:20 <plh> ... so we postponed it
17:16:39 <plh> ... it was an attempt to upgrade accesskey to work new devices and physical access
17:16:42 <tantek> http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-css3-ui-20030703/#key-equivalent
17:16:57 <plh> ... it was dropped in the past
17:17:03 <plh> .... so feel free to look into those materials
17:17:14 <plh> Janina: thanks. we also tried in PF and failed
17:17:27 <plh> ... keyboard isn't enough
17:17:38 <plh> ... touch and voice need to be accommodated
17:17:42 <plh> ... maybe we need user defined
17:17:53 <plh> ... and would need to go back to the use cases
17:18:02 <plh> ... user defined target?
17:18:38 <plh> Tantek: would nice to have the author make its targets accessible through different means
17:18:39 <plh> ... but don't know where to start
17:18:43 <plh> ... so +1 for your work
17:18:57 <ShaneM> ack ShaneM
17:18:57 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to mention text alternatives tentative schedule
17:18:57 <plh> ack shane
17:19:14 <plh> Shane: text alt document  schedule
17:19:19 <tantek> zakim, mute me
17:19:19 <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
17:19:28 <plh> ... we welcome bugs until january 9 and have updated draft by end of january
17:19:41 <plh> Topic: media tf
17:19:43 <paulc_> Media TF continues to meet weekly.  A few MSE implementation bugs including the HTTPS question discussed at TPAC are still open. Some progress on MSE CR testing by Cyril. About 24 EME bugs.  Next meeting is Tue Jan 6 (MSE) and then Jan 13 (EME).
17:20:29 <plh> Paul: EME bugs are down 30% from TPAC
17:20:42 <plh> ... HTTPS is blocking a third of the remaining bugs
17:20:53 <plh> ... so slow and steady progress
17:21:02 <plh> Topic: canvas tf
17:21:24 <plh> Sam: all bugs have been fixed
17:21:25 <rubys1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2014OctDec/0051.html
17:21:42 <plh> ... so should be able to go back to CR
17:21:46 <plh> ... testing is stalled
17:22:11 <plh> ... consensus is to keep the 2005 process
17:22:13 <plh> q+
17:22:29 <plh> paul: beyond the 2 bugs, there were additional ones
17:22:46 <paulc_> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=CR%20HTML%20Canvas%202D%20Context&list_id=49384&product=HTML%20WG&query_format=advanced
17:22:51 <plh> ... a search for bugs in canvas cr and I get two hits
17:22:59 <plh> ... not sure if they're new or not
17:23:12 <plh> q?
17:23:15 <plh> ack plh
17:23:18 <paulc_> ack plh
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17:23:41 <plh> sam: we'll go back to LC
17:23:49 <plh> Topic: editing tf
17:24:08 <paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-editing-tf/
17:24:12 <plh> Robin: editing tf has been very active
17:24:25 <plh> ... looking at various aspects of the whole editing space pb
17:24:40 <plh> ... contentEditable is broken and unsuable
17:25:02 <plh> ... idea is to expose the functionatilities of contentEditable in more useful ways
17:25:08 <plh> ... looked at libraries
17:25:17 <plh> ... ck, aloha, etc.
17:25:28 <plh> ... tf has been hashing a number of solutions
17:25:42 <plh> ... intention event to convey the action of the user
17:26:03 <plh> ... bolding, etc.
17:26:15 <plh> ... some basic functions for selection
17:26:25 <plh> ... all browser do that but no alignment
17:26:50 <plh> ... new values for the content attribute
17:27:12 <plh> ... we're near the top to be able to show things to the broader group
17:27:16 <plh> ... hope to get discussion in early january
17:27:28 <darobin> https://github.com/w3c/editing-explainer
17:27:38 <plh> ... feel free to look at the documents
17:28:10 <plh> Paul: it's *really* active
17:28:14 <plh> Robin: yes indeed
17:28:21 <darobin> actually this is an easier source: http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/
17:28:24 <plh> Topic: Spring f2f update
17:29:22 <paulc_> Possible meeting at MIT Jun 9-12 in a room in classroom style
17:29:41 <paulc_> plh: Currently working on determining conflicts
17:29:59 <plh> Topic: Next meeting
17:30:06 <plh> Paul: January 8
17:30:18 <plh> ...  not sure who will chair
17:30:26 <plh> ... any volunteer to scribe?
17:31:01 <paulc_> rrsagent, generate the minutes
17:31:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-html-wg-minutes.html paulc_
17:31:04 <tantek> zakim, unmute me
17:31:04 <Zakim> tantek should no longer be muted
17:31:04 <plh> ... Happy holidays to all
17:31:12 <plh> ... safe travel
17:31:13 <paulc_> Happy holidays
17:31:24 <Zakim> -ShaneM
17:31:26 <plh> [adjourned]
17:31:37 <Zakim> -paulc_
17:31:38 <Zakim> -tantek
17:31:40 <Zakim> -Plh
17:31:40 <Zakim> -darobin
17:31:41 <Zakim> -janina
17:31:41 <Zakim> -Sam
17:31:42 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
17:31:42 <Zakim> Attendees were paulc_, ShaneM, janina, Plh, Sam, [IPcaller], darobin, tantek
17:32:00 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:32:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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