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14:00:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be CSVW
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14:00:34 <trackbot> Meeting: CSV on the Web Working Group Teleconference
14:00:34 <trackbot> Date: 17 December 2014
14:39:27 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_2014-12-17
14:40:16 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: afasdfa
14:40:26 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_2014-12-17
14:40:41 <ivan> Chair: DanBri
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14:59:16 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:59:16 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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14:59:19 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:00:16 <danbri> hi
15:00:33 <danbri> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Dec/0046.html
15:00:41 <danbri> any scribe volunteers?
15:01:00 <Zakim> +??P34
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15:02:14 <Zakim> + +44.207.346.aaaa
15:02:19 <danbri> zakim, aaaa is me
15:02:21 <Zakim> +danbri; got it
15:02:41 <jtandy_> waiting for the wednesday afternoon fire alarm to complete :-)
15:02:43 <danbri> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, ??P34, danbri
15:03:13 <Zakim> + +1.217.333.aabb
15:03:31 <ivan> zakim, aabb is bill-ingram
15:03:31 <Zakim> +bill-ingram; got it
15:03:32 <Zakim> +??P3
15:04:01 <danbri> regrets: JeniT
15:04:25 <danbri> +1 from AndyS, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Dec/0047.html
15:04:41 <ivan> Regrets+ Eric
15:05:09 <danbri> scribenick: bill-ingram
15:05:42 <danbri> +1 and regrets from Eric, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Dec/0051.html
15:06:18 <bill-ingram> agenda — can we ship our first working draft?
15:07:03 <danbri> q+ from ivan ns URL / doc, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Dec/0052.html
15:07:11 <danbri> q+ to note from ivan ns URL / doc, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Dec/0052.html
15:07:41 <danbri> Proposal:   That our CSV2JSON and CSV2RDF docs be published as First Public Working Drafts,  accompanied by refreshed drafts of metadata and syntax documents (all based on current  editor drafts).
15:07:53 <ivan> +1
15:07:59 <danbri> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:07:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, ??P34, danbri, bill-ingram, jtandy
15:07:59 <bill-ingram> +1
15:07:59 <jtandy_> +101
15:08:23 <danbri> +1
15:08:24 <jtandy_> (OK , +1)
15:08:45 <ivan> Resolved: That our CSV2JSON and CSV2RDF docs be published as First Public Working Drafts,  accompanied by refreshed drafts of metadata and syntax documents (all based on current  editor drafts).
15:09:00 <bill-ingram> considering this plus the mailing list +1s
15:09:29 <danbri> q?
15:09:40 <danbri> practicalia:
15:10:00 <bill-ingram> ivan: we should soon have a solid version, which will be the one that will be published
15:10:11 <bill-ingram> …need to freeze a draft
15:10:29 <bill-ingram> jtandy_: ask that someone else do the prep for working draft pub
15:10:53 <bill-ingram> ivan: happy to do that, but need a separate branch that is to be published
15:11:00 <bill-ingram> q+
15:11:26 <bill-ingram> …there is a document for how to publish
15:11:31 <danbri> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/tree/gh-pages/publishing-snapshots
15:11:48 <bill-ingram> …all I need is for jtandy_ to say 'go'
15:12:03 <bill-ingram> jtandy_: leaving for xmas soon
15:12:25 <bill-ingram> ivan: should have enough time to put it through pub rules
15:13:38 <bill-ingram> …we also have to get a plea to jeni to finish her doc and make a snapshot herself
15:13:58 <bill-ingram> …i can start working around 5th jan, and that week it should be done
15:14:06 <bill-ingram> …i'm not around after that
15:14:20 <bill-ingram> danbri: let's shoot for the 8th
15:14:46 <bill-ingram> ivan: problem with issues not sync b/w the two
15:14:51 <bill-ingram> …minor things
15:15:12 <bill-ingram> danbri: are there issues in you heads not in github?
15:15:25 <bill-ingram> jtandy_: may be one or two that are mentioned in the document
15:16:01 <Zakim> -??P34
15:16:26 <bill-ingram> danbri: github working ?
15:16:33 <bill-ingram> others: yes
15:16:36 <danbri> q?
15:17:12 <bill-ingram> ivan: we can send every github event to the mailing list; now we're using two lists; not sure it's necessary
15:17:19 <danbri> ack bill-ingram
15:17:33 <danbri> bill-ingram: are we using Git tag for releases?
15:18:12 <danbri> danbri: sounds right, but i'm not aware of us using it
15:18:22 <danbri> ivan: i use it personally, will try to remember for mon/tues. a good idea
15:18:33 <Zakim> -jtandy
15:18:39 <danbri> jtandy: we should probably stick with existing practice, a publishing snapshot dir, ... as we've done that so far.
15:18:54 <danbri> jtandy_ ... we lost you in audio
15:19:02 <jtandy_> I have lost audio too ...
15:19:03 <danbri> ack me?
15:19:07 <danbri> ack danbri
15:19:07 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to note from ivan ns URL / doc, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-csv-wg/2014Dec/0052.html
15:19:10 <jtandy_> will dial back in :-(
15:19:14 <danbri> q?
15:19:27 <bill-ingram> ivan: namespace document summary
15:19:55 <bill-ingram> …it would be good idea to defreference namespace properly, i.e., no 404
15:19:59 <Zakim> +??P8
15:20:12 <danbri> zakim, ??P8 is jtandy
15:20:12 <Zakim> +jtandy; got it
15:20:13 <jtandy_> zakim, +??P8 is me
15:20:14 <Zakim> sorry, jtandy_, I do not recognize a party named '+??P8'
15:20:25 <bill-ingram> …not saying we need something abs. complete there, just something at /ns/csvw
15:20:31 <bill-ingram> …simple html file is ok
15:20:58 <bill-ingram> …remember that existing jsonld document can serve as target
15:21:15 <bill-ingram> …either way, both are fine, need something earlier than the 8th
15:21:23 <bill-ingram> danbri: creating issue
15:22:11 <bill-ingram> jtandy_: there are some things we will need to talk about once we tick off the issues in the document
15:22:24 <bill-ingram> …but the docs stand on their own
15:22:58 <bill-ingram> ivan: maybe one thing would be to document somewhere that there are some terms, property terms, that are not yet in the metadata document
15:23:13 <bill-ingram> jtandy_: i think they are now in jeni's document
15:23:21 <danbri> I filed an issue to track ns doc point raised by ivan, https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/127
15:23:22 <bill-ingram> ivan: except the url templates
15:23:33 <bill-ingram> jtandy_: that's what the metadata document tells me to do
15:23:54 <bill-ingram> …nonetheless now i am synchronized with jeni's document
15:24:16 <bill-ingram> …obviously, if she makes changes, the mapping doc will need changes as well
15:24:57 <bill-ingram> …i doubt changes will come before new year
15:25:25 <bill-ingram> danbri: issue assigned to ivan
15:25:35 <bill-ingram> ivan: i can put together something simple
15:25:59 <bill-ingram> ivan: anything else to discuss?
15:26:18 <bill-ingram> jtandy_: issue 113?
15:26:28 <danbri> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/113
15:27:40 <bill-ingram> jtandy_: @type 'table' is about the resource or about a table description ?
15:27:58 <bill-ingram> …i'd suggest the @graph is about the description
15:28:10 <bill-ingram> …magic question is 'what's the subject?'
15:28:48 <bill-ingram> ivan: it uses the @type table in the metadata, which is rdf, and clearly assigns table as the subject of the metadata
15:29:08 <bill-ingram> …typing is on the data, not the metadata, both are rdf
15:29:19 <jtandy_> http://w3c.github.io/csvw/metadata/index.html
15:29:33 <bill-ingram> jtandy_: if you look at metadata editor's draft example #2
15:30:05 <bill-ingram> …the resource we're talking about is the csv file
15:30:15 <bill-ingram> …the dc.title is about the data
15:31:02 <bill-ingram> ivan: right, there is an inconsistency
15:31:16 <bill-ingram> …rows, cols, etc are about structures in the metadata
15:31:37 <bill-ingram> jtandy_: we've agreed that we're not going to make statements about rows, cells, right?
15:32:10 <bill-ingram> ivan: in the document, it still uses @type for column, template, now
15:32:18 <bill-ingram> jtandy_: that much is ok
15:32:28 <danbri> q?
15:32:46 <bill-ingram> ivan: are they not mapped into rdf as well?
15:33:12 <bill-ingram> jtandy_: when i map, i have chosen not to @type anything but the table
15:33:51 <bill-ingram> …my intention is to make the inconsistency visible now
15:34:04 <bill-ingram> …we don't need to buffer it out before first public working draft
15:34:43 <bill-ingram> ivan: would it be possible to articulate what you just describe, or put a reference to the minutes here, in the issue
15:34:53 <bill-ingram> …actually I will clean up the minutes and do it myself
15:35:03 <Zakim> -jtandy
15:35:26 <bill-ingram> danbri: shall we consider when our next meeting will be?
15:35:31 <danbri> next meeting?
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15:35:46 <jtandy_> call broke again ... dialing back in
15:35:56 <bill-ingram> danbri: call on the 7th?
15:36:00 <bill-ingram> all: yes
15:36:06 <danbri> (I may be flying on 7th)
15:36:18 <jtandy_> I can do 7th
15:36:25 <danbri> Adjourned!
15:36:30 <danbri> jtandy, don't need to dial in :)
15:36:42 <Zakim> -danbri
15:36:44 <jtandy_> ok. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
15:36:44 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:36:45 <Zakim> -bill-ingram
15:36:45 <Zakim> DATA_CSVWG()10:00AM has ended
15:36:45 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, +44.207.346.aaaa, danbri, +1.217.333.aabb, bill-ingram, jtandy
15:37:01 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:37:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-csvw-minutes.html ivan
15:37:11 <danbri> thanks for scribing,  bill :)
15:37:15 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
15:37:15 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:37:15 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:37:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:37:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-csvw-minutes.html trackbot
15:37:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:37:24 <RRSAgent> I see no action items