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15:56:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
15:56:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
15:56:07 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:56:07 <trackbot> Date: 16 December 2014
15:56:31 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Dec/0011.html
15:56:36 <paulc> zakim, who is here?
15:56:38 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:56:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, jdsmith, adrianba, trackbot
15:57:12 <paulc> Ade:  Will you be able to scribe today?  Joe announced on Dec 2 that he would not be here today.
15:57:39 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
15:57:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 63342 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:58:59 <paulc> zakim, who is here?
15:58:59 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:59:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, jdsmith, adrianba, trackbot
15:59:12 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:59:12 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:59:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, jdsmith, adrianba, trackbot
15:59:22 <paulc> trackbot, start meeting
15:59:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:59:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
15:59:27 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:59:27 <trackbot> Date: 16 December 2014
15:59:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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16:02:07 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:02:07 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
16:02:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see ddorwin, markw, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, jdsmith, adrianba, trackbot
16:02:18 <paulc> trackbot, start meeting
16:02:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:02:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
16:02:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
16:02:23 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
16:02:23 <trackbot> Date: 16 December 2014
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16:02:43 <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:02:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-html-media-minutes.html paulc
16:02:55 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone
16:02:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', paulc
16:03:05 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:03:05 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
16:03:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see BobLund, ddorwin, markw, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, jdsmith, adrianba, trackbot
16:03:25 <paulc> present+
16:03:59 <paulc> zakim, list conferences
16:03:59 <Zakim> I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM, HTML_WG()11:00AM, AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, RWC_PEWG()11:00AM, INK_Team()9:00AM, IA_Team()9:00AM, XML_ET-TF()11:00AM active
16:04:03 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are RWC_WebEven()11:00AM, DPUB_DIGC()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, XML_EXI()10:00AM, WAI_UAWG(CHAIRS)10:30AM
16:04:28 <paulc> zakim,k this conference will be HTML_WG
16:04:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'k this conference will be HTML_WG', paulc
16:04:38 <paulc> zakim, this conference will be HTML_WG
16:04:38 <Zakim> ok, paulc, I see HTML_WG()11:00AM already started
16:05:00 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:05:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see jdsmith, [Microsoft], markw, ddorwin
16:05:10 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:05:11 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:05:17 <paulc> zakim, who is here?
16:05:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see jdsmith, paulc, markw, ddorwin
16:05:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see BobLund, ddorwin, markw, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, jdsmith, adrianba, trackbot
16:06:48 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Dec/0011.html
16:07:40 <paulc> scribenick: jdsmith
16:07:45 <paulc> Chair: paulc
16:07:53 <paulc> Topic: Next F2F meeting
16:07:57 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-html-wg-minutes.html#item31
16:08:06 <Zakim> +BobLund
16:09:00 <jdsmith> paul:  group concensus was positive on holding a F2F - don't yet have a host
16:09:53 <markw> I think an f2f would be good.
16:10:04 <paulc> Bob: F2F would be good
16:10:07 <ddorwin> we should be clear about what we want to discuss.
16:10:28 <ddorwin> (i.e. specific bugs that aren't just waiting to be implemented)
16:10:32 <paulc> paulc: Let's take this up on Jan 6 when we know more about the Spring WG schedule
16:10:53 <jdsmith> paul:  suggest we take this up on January 6th when we know more about Spring schedule
16:11:12 <paulc> David: We need to ensure we have bugs to discuss - not just pending bugs.
16:11:48 <jdsmith> topic: EME action items
16:11:52 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/open
16:12:13 <paulc> ACTION-62?
16:12:13 <trackbot> ACTION-62 -- Paul Cotton to Report back about the plan for 20944 due 2013-12-15 -- due 2013-12-10 -- OPEN
16:12:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/62
16:12:21 <paulc> Long standing on Paul and still open
16:12:42 <paulc> ACTION-71?
16:12:42 <trackbot> ACTION-71 -- Paul Cotton to Investigate testing status to move things forward -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN
16:12:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/71
16:13:27 <paulc> Will close gien Cyril's feedback: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Dec/0012.html
16:14:25 <paulc> s/gien/given/
16:14:56 <paulc> Topic: Encrypted Media Extensions editor's draft
16:15:29 <paulc> David: Taking two weeks off so EME changes will be quiet
16:15:35 <ddorwin> New spec URL: https://w3c.github.io/encrypted-media/
16:15:54 <paulc> David: Last updated Dec 10
16:16:32 <paulc> David:  All the format changes have been made
16:16:46 <paulc> David: Security and privacy sections have been updated
16:18:18 <paulc> David: Security and privacy changes were based on Henri S's bugs
16:18:46 <paulc> http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo is down about 7 bugs since TPAC
16:19:16 <paulc> [EME] API changes: requestMediaKeySystemAccess() and MediaKeyStatuses http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Nov/0046.html
16:19:37 <paulc> Paulc: Assuming everyone is okay on those API changes.
16:20:02 <paulc> Topic: Bug 27269 - Normatively require distinctive identifiers to be different by top-level and EME-using origin
16:20:14 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27269#c4
16:21:29 <paulc> Depends on: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27268
16:21:45 <jdsmith> david:  comment 6 outlines how current web apps might be broken by this
16:22:02 <paulc> David:  My current comment is in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27269#c6
16:23:30 <paulc> Paulc:  It looks like we need Henri S to respond here
16:24:01 <jdsmith> jdsmith:  I believe David's comment about device limitations is valid and commented in the bug on that
16:24:33 <paulc> David: Pending more input from Henri.
16:25:24 <paulc> Topic: Bug 27268 - Add a definition of a distinctive identifier
16:25:33 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27268
16:26:01 <paulc> David: Implmented Henri's suggestions and but have outstanding questions and we are awaiting answers from Henri
16:26:28 <ddorwin> s/and but/but/
16:26:31 <paulc> Topic: Bug 24874 Positive isTypeSupported() may be misleading
16:26:57 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24874#c8 and https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24874#c9
16:27:42 <paulc> David: Current thinking is to not worry about this bug
16:27:51 <jdsmith> david:  current thinking is we probably shouldn't worry about this and better close with no spec change
16:29:11 <paulc> Paul: Let's get feedback especially from Joe on whether we can close this bug with no changes
16:30:34 <paulc> David:  Will highlight his proposal: In summary, we do not have concrete use cases, apps are unlikely to take any useful alternate action, and implementations should not differentiate between the sources. Thus, I think we should close this, possibly adding a non-normative note that some implementations may not support non-MSE content with EME.
16:30:53 <paulc> Topic: Bug 26776 Diagnosing and resolving CDM errors needs a numeric systemCode (deleted with MediaKeyError)
16:31:12 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776
16:31:48 <paulc> Jerry:  We need to decide if we are going to provide system code to record user experience results
16:32:15 <paulc> Jerry in comment 15: I think it is correct to view system codes as performance metrics for the key system.  They should not trigger a client response, but be returned as telemetry to track and resolve broader issues affecting the user experience.
16:33:29 <paulc> See Anne's comments in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25896 about exception codes
16:34:26 <paulc> Jerry's comment https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776#c15
16:35:17 <markw> Sounds ok to me
16:35:20 <paulc> Mark or David?
16:35:34 <markw> Attribute is ok
16:35:37 <paulc> David: Perhaps an attribute rather than an event
16:36:24 <paulc> Jerry:  I will come up to speed with making new changes and will put a proposal in the bug
16:36:54 <paulc> topic: Bug 27093 - Support for proprietary/system-specific formats in initData should be discouraged/deprecated
16:37:06 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27093#c10
16:37:16 <paulc> Awaiting input from Joe Steele
16:37:40 <paulc> Topic: Bug 27055 - Surfacing license to the user
16:37:57 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27055
16:38:16 <paulc> paulc: what are the next steps for this bug after the Dec 2 meeting with Sergey
16:38:31 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/2014/12/02-html-media-minutes.html#item01
16:38:43 <paulc> Jerry: We need to decide what to do with the request
16:39:17 <paulc> Jerry: Does not feel fruitful to me - should we be standardizing license conditions?
16:40:59 <paulc> Mark: Sergey appears to be more interested in the offline case https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27055#c20
16:41:12 <paulc> Mark:  Could we at least cover the offline case?
16:42:38 <paulc> Mark:  The offline case is tractable since the conditions won't change
16:42:55 <paulc> Mark: In the online case the server could give you a new answer at any time
16:43:26 <paulc> Mark:  The UA and CDN interaction is not what we want to define
16:44:01 <paulc> s/CDN/CDM/
16:44:21 <paulc> Topic: requestMediaKeySystemAccess()'s supportedConfigurations parameter should not be optional
16:44:35 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/1
16:44:39 <markw> I think it could be an issue for UA innovation: how to make available information tot he user about offline licenses, rather than a specification thing
16:44:55 <markw> [I was referring to 27055)
16:45:16 <paulc> David: Entering this as a Gitbug issue to experiment with it as an alternative to Bugzilla
16:46:10 <paulc> David: We might consider filing new items in GitHub and finishing the current Bugzilla issues
16:46:24 <paulc> Paulc: watching the repo may get you notified
16:46:40 <paulc> paulc: how do we notify public-html-media@w3.org?
16:46:50 <paulc> David: I will look into this.
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16:48:00 <paulc> David: Introduces the issue with his summary in https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/1#issuecomment-66857143
16:48:20 <paulc> David: Proposes to simplify the API as described
16:49:09 <paulc> Topic: Cluster of six bugs
16:49:20 <paulc> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Dec/0011.html
16:51:27 <paulc> Bug 26332 Applications should only use EME APIs on secure origins (e.g. HTTPS)
16:51:42 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26332
16:52:53 <paulc> David: We need to figure out how to deal with this bug for MSE
16:53:13 <paulc> David: Nothing happening in Media TF about this but at this time
16:54:38 <paulc> mark: Maybe https would be used but the actual streaming data would be done using http
16:54:59 <paulc> Mark: Waiting for browser proposal to arrive
16:55:18 <paulc> Paul:  Where is the discussion happening?
16:55:41 <paulc> Mark: Some discussion on webapps-sec 2-3 weeks ago and there is background discussion going on
16:56:31 <paulc> Bug 27054 - Accessibility Concerns
16:56:43 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27054
16:57:06 <paulc> David: This one is in David's next batch of 5 EME bugs to process (from the TPAC discussion)
16:57:13 <paulc> Topic: Next meeting
16:57:29 <paulc> Jan 6 or Jan 13 for the next meeting?
16:57:56 <paulc> Possibilty would be do MSE on Jan 6 and then EME on Jan 13
16:58:19 <BobLund> OK
16:58:39 <paulc> Paul: I will work on the above schedule and will check with the TF about MSE topics including testing for Jan 6
16:58:49 <paulc> Topic: Any other business
16:58:52 <paulc> None.
16:58:59 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
16:58:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-html-media-minutes.html paulc
16:59:05 <Zakim> -BobLund
16:59:12 <Zakim> -markw
16:59:47 <Zakim> -jdsmith
16:59:52 <Zakim> -ddorwin
17:00:01 <Zakim> -paulc
17:00:02 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
17:00:02 <Zakim> Attendees were jdsmith, markw, ddorwin, paulc, BobLund
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