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19:50:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
19:50:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
19:50:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
19:50:01 <trackbot> Date: 16 December 2014
19:51:00 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
19:51:07 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
19:51:16 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:51:16 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
19:51:25 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:51:25 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:51:34 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:51:42 <clown> agenda: this
19:51:50 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1254: (Joseph) Consume/cancel keydown event when keypress is consumed/cancelled.
19:51:59 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1542: (Joseph/Joanie)  Verify the commit for mozilla bug 1013584 and report the atk role to joseph.
19:52:06 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role.
19:52:13 <clown> agenda+ ACTION-1515: (Rich) Discuss issue-678 at the ARIA caucus teleconference.
19:52:20 <clown> agenda+ Continue with ACTIONs/ISSUEs for core-aam 1.1: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
19:52:30 <clown> agenda+ be done
19:52:35 <clown> zakim, agenda?
19:52:35 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
19:52:36 <Zakim> 1. ACTION-1254: (Joseph) Consume/cancel keydown event when keypress is consumed/cancelled. [from clown]
19:52:36 <Zakim> 2. ACTION-1542: (Joseph/Joanie)  Verify the commit for mozilla bug 1013584 and report the atk role to joseph. [from clown]
19:52:36 <Zakim> 3. ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role. [from clown]
19:52:37 <Zakim> 4. ACTION-1515: (Rich) Discuss issue-678 at the ARIA caucus teleconference. [from clown]
19:52:38 <Zakim> 5. Continue with ACTIONs/ISSUEs for core-aam 1.1: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23 [from clown]
19:52:38 <Zakim> 6. be done [from clown]
19:52:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-aapi-minutes.html clown
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20:09:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Rich
20:09:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, takeup item 1
20:09:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'takeup item 1', richardschwerdtfeger
20:09:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, takeup 1
20:09:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'takeup 1', richardschwerdtfeger
20:10:04 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
20:10:04 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ACTION-1254: (Joseph) Consume/cancel keydown event when keypress is consumed/cancelled." taken up [from clown]
20:10:08 <clown> action-1254
20:10:08 <trackbot> action-1254 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Work with WebApps working group to ensure that DOM spec states when a keydown event is consumed/cancelled that the corresponding keypress event is also cancelled. -- due 2014-12-09 -- OPEN
20:10:08 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1254
20:10:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: There is a section in the keyboard mapping section that states when a keyboard down even is cancelled that the keypress is also cancelled.
20:11:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: We do have tests they all passed. FF:Windows, FF:Linux, Safari:OSX
20:12:48 <richardschwerdtfeger> Rich: just give Cynthia the url to test
20:12:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: I can
20:13:11 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: Webapps guy I spoke to said yes this is spot on.
20:13:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: This matches what the webapps working group is doing for DOM3
20:15:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> CS: you can close the action item
20:15:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> RS: +1
20:15:56 <richardschwerdtfeger> RESOLUTION: Close action 1254
20:16:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
20:16:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ACTION-1542: (Joseph/Joanie)  Verify the commit for mozilla bug 1013584 and report the atk role to joseph." taken up [from clown]
20:16:31 <clown> action-1542?
20:16:31 <trackbot> action-1542 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Verify the commit for mozilla bug 1013584 and report the atk role to joseph. -- due 2014-12-02 -- OPEN
20:16:31 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1542
20:17:07 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: this has to do with tables and lists that are marked with role=“presentation” and what FF is doing
20:17:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: Joanie wanted them to be mapped to divs
20:17:48 <richardschwerdtfeger> RS: Why so many ways
20:17:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: that is Joanie’s question
20:18:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> CS: list items are a kind of paragraph
20:19:12 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: table cells become role “textframe"
20:20:03 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: Joanie instigated from the Gnome point of view and ATK/ATSPI
20:22:12 <clown> action-1445?
20:22:12 <trackbot> action-1445 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Investigate the ideal uai mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. -- due 2014-12-16 -- OPEN
20:22:12 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445
20:22:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> CS: I will look at the use of a “paragraph” role for presentational list items as part of the inheritence defect I am lookin at. (Issue 1445)
20:22:31 <richardschwerdtfeger> CS: there is a paragraph thingy that is part of the textPattern
20:23:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> RS: So, that list becomes one or more text patterns
20:23:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: Can I send this back to you to flesh this out?
20:23:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> CS: yes but not until after the first of the year
20:23:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> CS: January 20 meeting
20:24:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
20:24:15 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role." taken up [from clown]
20:24:21 <clown> action-1372?
20:24:21 <trackbot> action-1372 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role -- due 2014-11-15 -- OPEN
20:24:21 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372
20:24:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> CS: There are a lot of test cases that are related
20:25:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> CS: The firs one in the list of test cases asks if it is invalid if it is not part of a grid but IE passes it
20:25:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: There is just this element with row “rowgroup” on it
20:25:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> CS: Is this a good enough test case?
20:26:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: This is test case 56
20:26:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: it passes in IE back in March 2012
20:27:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: I have a fail for FF ATK/ATSPI September 2012
20:28:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> RS: rowgroup used to be mapped to none in FF
20:28:31 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=56
20:29:09 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: This failed in IE.
20:29:29 <richardschwerdtfeger> RS: What does the current document say?
20:29:50 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-rowgroup
20:34:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> Action: Cynthia document rowgroup  mappings for IE 11 for both UIA Express and UIA
20:34:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1544 - Document rowgroup  mappings for ie 11 for both uia express and uia [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-12-23].
20:37:26 <richardschwerdtfeger> action: Joanie make sure the rowgroup mapping for ATK/ATSPI is accurate
20:37:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1545 - Make sure the rowgroup mapping for atk/atspi is accurate [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2014-12-23].
20:38:08 <richardschwerdtfeger> action: David make sure the rowgroup mapping for MSAA/IA2 is accurate
20:38:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1546 - Make sure the rowgroup mapping for msaa/ia2 is accurate [on David Bolter - due 2014-12-23].
20:40:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: rowgroup specifies one or more structured elements in a grid or treegrid by implication
20:41:03 <richardschwerdtfeger> JS: The test case does not do that
20:41:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> RS: It is a feature
20:43:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> Action: Rich update test test cases involving rowgroup to ensure they are included within a grid container and to ensure that the expected result matches the new mappings
20:43:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1547 - Update test test cases involving rowgroup to ensure they are included within a grid container and to ensure that the expected result matches the new mappings [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2014-12-23].
20:45:07 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
20:45:07 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ACTION-1515: (Rich) Discuss issue-678 at the ARIA caucus teleconference." taken up [from clown]
20:45:15 <clown> action-1515?
20:45:15 <trackbot> action-1515 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Discuss issue-678 at the mon aria teleconference. -- due 2014-12-09 -- OPEN
20:45:15 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1515
20:46:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, next item
20:46:39 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Continue with ACTIONs/ISSUEs for core-aam 1.1: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
20:47:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make log public
20:47:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> zakim, bye
20:47:24 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Cynthia_Shelly
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20:47:31 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make minutes
20:47:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-aapi-minutes.html richardschwerdtfeger
20:48:51 <clown> regrets:  David_Bolter, Joanie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa
20:48:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-aapi-minutes.html clown