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15:04:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
15:04:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 56 minutes
15:04:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:04:40 <trackbot> Date: 15 December 2014
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15:45:02 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/548AE069.6010007@gmail.com
15:45:09 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/548AE069.6010007@gmail.com
15:45:15 <ivan> Chair: Tzviya
15:45:33 <ivan> Regrets: Markus, Vlad
15:45:33 <ivan> Scribe: Luc
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15:58:39 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
15:58:39 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:59:05 <philm> zakim, aabb is me
15:59:05 <Zakim> +philm; got it
15:59:06 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is Luc
15:59:07 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
15:59:10 <Zakim> +clapierre
15:59:12 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
15:59:29 <Zakim> + +1.217.300.aacc
15:59:43 <Zakim> +Stearns
15:59:51 <laudrain> Dave, is it your dog?
15:59:53 <ivan> zakim, is Ayla_Stein
15:59:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'is Ayla_Stein', ivan
16:00:03 <ivan> zakim, Luc is laudrain
16:00:03 <Zakim> +laudrain; got it
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16:00:12 <ivan> scribenick: laudrain
16:00:13 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
16:00:25 <Zakim> + +1.512.445.aadd
16:00:33 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Ayla_Stein
16:00:33 <Zakim> +Ayla_Stein; got it
16:00:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:01:25 <bjdmeest> zakim, who is here?
16:01:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tzviya, laudrain, MikeMiller, dauwhe, Ivan, philm, clapierre, Karen_Myers, Ayla_Stein, Stearns, Bill_Kasdorf, +1.512.445.aadd, [IPcaller], azaroth
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16:01:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see Susann_Keohane, bjdmeest, Bill_Kasdorf, tmichel, Ayla_Stein, philm, clapierre, laudrain, tzviya, AH_Miller, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, Karen, azaroth, liam, dauwhe, ivan,
16:01:29 <Zakim> ... rego, iank__, mihnea_____, astearns, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot
16:01:36 <bjdmeest> zakim, IPcaller is me
16:01:36 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it
16:01:39 <ivan> zakim, aadd is Susann_Keohane
16:01:39 <Zakim> +Susann_Keohane; got it
16:01:48 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester
16:01:48 <Zakim> +pkra
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16:03:39 <ivan> zakim, mute me
16:03:39 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
16:04:17 <Karen> +1 Luc for scribing
16:04:18 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2014/12/08-dpub-minutes.html
16:04:41 <laudrain> Last minutes : no comments
16:05:02 <laudrain> Last minutes approved!
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16:05:25 <laudrain> Update form Peter on STEM cast
16:05:41 <Zakim> + +1.585.217.aaee
16:05:47 <bjdmeest> zakim, who is here?
16:05:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tzviya, laudrain, MikeMiller, dauwhe, Ivan (muted), philm, clapierre, Karen_Myers, Ayla_Stein, Stearns, Bill_Kasdorf, Susann_Keohane, bjdmeest, azaroth, pkra,
16:05:52 <Zakim> ... +1.585.217.aaee
16:05:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see david_stroup, pkra, Susann_Keohane, bjdmeest, Bill_Kasdorf, tmichel, Ayla_Stein, philm, clapierre, laudrain, tzviya, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, Karen, azaroth, liam,
16:05:52 <Zakim> ... dauwhe, ivan, rego, iank__, mihnea_____, astearns, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot
16:05:56 <david_stroup> 585.217
16:06:06 <ivan> zakim, aaee is david_stroup
16:06:06 <Zakim> +david_stroup; got it
16:06:25 <laudrain> Main update : link on the agenda
16:06:25 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-stem/wiki/questionnaire#less-rough-questions
16:06:46 <laudrain> Ready to turn to a W3C
16:07:06 <Zakim> +??P11
16:07:18 <tmichel> zakim, ??P11 is me
16:07:19 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
16:07:22 <Zakim> + +1.609.216.aaff
16:07:22 <laudrain> But, discussion on question of semantics
16:07:24 <tzviya> q?
16:07:43 <laudrain> Quick walkthrough
16:08:14 <laudrain> Preflight check : STEM specific or OWP specific
16:08:43 <laudrain> gather background on person filling the questionnaire
16:09:04 <laudrain> section on content, content types, additional wor k for the web
16:09:29 <laudrain> back-end vs front-end, archieval needs
16:10:19 <laudrain> HTML version on the web vs PDF
16:10:27 <tzviya> q?
16:10:32 <laudrain> Why they differ
16:11:02 <clapierre> q+
16:11:12 <tzviya> ack clapierre
16:11:13 <laudrain> section on authoring, formats, tools for authoring, Web reading, Web techno and workflow, accessiblility
16:11:28 <laudrain> How should we respond?
16:11:31 <ivan> q+
16:11:43 <laudrain> Comments to Peter
16:12:02 <laudrain> by email or the wiki
16:12:37 <laudrain> MathMl part of it : Benetech on MathML cloud
16:12:52 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:12:55 <laudrain> provide accessible content form that content
16:13:12 <laudrain> Benetech implementing in the next year
16:13:47 <laudrain> Peter : problem what kind math will be used,
16:14:09 <laudrain> consensus on chemML?
16:14:42 <laudrain> there might be solutions that work as a service
16:15:03 <laudrain> Tziva : which formats are in use?
16:15:16 <tzviya> ack ivan
16:15:23 <laudrain> But no suggestion, discovery process
16:15:39 <laudrain> Ivan: how will this work? It’s huge$
16:16:01 <laudrain> Answering all individual question?
16:16:20 <tzviya> s/Tziva/tzviya
16:16:21 <laudrain> Many questions, too big
16:17:28 <laudrain> tzviya: evrything is combined : markup, browser, HTML, CSS
16:17:55 <laudrain> big job distinguing where to direct the info
16:18:43 <laudrain> Peter: people are generally interested in working on part of it
16:19:30 <laudrain> Like CSS, people migth only answer the right section
16:19:52 <laudrain> So no restriction so far
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16:20:29 <Zakim> +BGidon
16:20:39 <laudrain> Ivan: practical comment : W3C tool has the option to add a comment box to each question
16:20:52 <tzviya> ack bill_kasdorf
16:21:09 <tzviya> q?
16:21:56 <laudrain> BillK: reaction it is huge, but all that detail help people think to take things separately
16:22:09 <ivan> q?
16:22:44 <laudrain> Ivan: how we should do that in practice?
16:23:29 <laudrain> Big section workflow, sub section with 5 bullets : how to put that in a questionaire?
16:23:33 <dauwhe> s/BillK/Bill_Kasdorf/
16:23:35 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:23:46 <laudrain> How do you envisage the format of the questionnaire?
16:24:37 <laudrain> Peter: questionnaire as a email interview
16:25:15 <laudrain> Ivan:  we will have to make sense from the answers
16:25:59 <laudrain> imagine one question, plus bullets multiple quesitons, plus text box
16:26:21 <tzviya> ack bill_kasdorf
16:26:24 <laudrain> all text boxes will make a huge job to make sens
16:27:03 <ivan> s/sens/sense/
16:27:13 <tzviya> q?
16:27:13 <laudrain> Bill: we should ask suggestion on technology
16:27:34 <laudrain> Tzviya: next steps
16:28:02 <laudrain> what is the time lien?plan in november
16:28:14 <laudrain> s/lien/line/
16:28:47 <laudrain> not before january first
16:29:05 <ivan> q+
16:29:36 <laudrain> Peter: transfer a particular section or question to the TF before Christmas
16:30:14 <laudrain> On the TF: Liam, Ivan
16:30:23 <tzviya> ack ivan
16:30:37 <laudrain> tzviya: should arrange a meeting with the TF
16:30:55 <Bill_Kasdorf> I'm on the STEM TF too
16:31:14 <Bill_Kasdorf> Also Tim Cole
16:31:38 <laudrain> Ivan: ask for help to do the questionnaire using the WBS form from Iavn or Thierry
16:31:42 <Karen> +1 next version of survey in WBS questionnaire format
16:31:46 <tzviya> +1
16:32:02 <ivan> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/99999/DPUBSTEM/
16:32:27 <laudrain> be careful about to have in a way the public can come in
16:33:11 <laudrain> it is doable, perhaps whith a new one
16:34:01 <Karen> +1 pre-test 'guinea pigs'
16:34:02 <laudrain> Tzviya:end of the month, draft of the survey, sent out early january to guinea pigs
16:34:36 <laudrain> Tzviya: edit actions items
16:35:09 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/
16:35:11 <laudrain> Next point: tracker housekeeping
16:35:27 <laudrain> 21 open actions, 17 overdue
16:35:31 <ivan> open actions: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/actions/open
16:35:53 <laudrain> go through action list
16:36:58 <laudrain> Action 19 : we can close
16:36:58 <trackbot> Error finding '19'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
16:37:01 <ivan> CLOSE action-19
16:37:01 <trackbot> Closed action-19.
16:37:26 <laudrain> Action 20 : we close
16:37:26 <tzviya> close action-20
16:37:26 <trackbot> Error finding '20'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
16:37:26 <trackbot> Closed action-20.
16:39:11 <laudrain> Action 21 : make it in 2 actions, survey end of february
16:39:11 <trackbot> Error finding '21'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
16:40:14 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:40:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tzviya, laudrain, MikeMiller, dauwhe, Ivan, philm, clapierre, Karen_Myers, Ayla_Stein, Stearns, Bill_Kasdorf, Susann_Keohane, bjdmeest, azaroth, pkra,
16:40:18 <Zakim> ... david_stroup, tmichel, +1.609.216.aaff, Bert
16:40:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bert, david_stroup, pkra, Susann_Keohane, bjdmeest, Bill_Kasdorf, tmichel, Ayla_Stein, philm, clapierre, laudrain, tzviya, AH_Miller, Zakim, RRSAgent, Karen, azaroth,
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16:41:04 <laudrain> Action 22: add or close?
16:41:04 <trackbot> Error finding '22'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
16:41:20 <laudrain> ok to close action 22
16:41:22 <tzviya> close action-22
16:41:22 <trackbot> Closed action-22.
16:41:40 <laudrain> Action 23: close
16:41:40 <trackbot> Error finding '23'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
16:41:44 <tzviya> close action-23
16:41:44 <trackbot> Closed action-23.
16:42:10 <laudrain> Action 24: to be closed
16:42:10 <trackbot> Error finding '24'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/track/users>.
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16:42:36 <tzviya> close action-24
16:42:36 <trackbot> Closed action-24.
16:43:01 <tzviya> close action-25
16:43:01 <trackbot> Closed action-25.
16:43:22 <laudrain> Closed action 25
16:43:56 <tzviya> close action-26
16:43:56 <trackbot> Closed action-26.
16:45:09 <laudrain> Peter: action 27 should be done sometimes
16:46:07 <tzviya> close action-28
16:46:07 <trackbot> Closed action-28.
16:46:13 <laudrain> Dave: spread beheviors finished
16:46:38 <tzviya> close action-29
16:46:38 <trackbot> Closed action-29.
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16:47:22 <laudrain> From TPAC, initiate business use cases: Karen working on that
16:47:40 <tzviya> close action-32
16:47:40 <trackbot> Closed action-32.
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16:48:58 <tzviya> close action-35
16:48:58 <trackbot> Closed action-35.
16:49:30 <laudrain> Best practice for rdfa: in progress
16:50:23 <tzviya> close action-41
16:50:23 <trackbot> Closed action-41.
16:51:32 <laudrain> Ivan: somebody fromthe publishing community should be driving, Liza did volunteer
16:52:29 <laudrain> More people form IDPF for action 43
16:53:00 <laudrain> Please keep isues up to date
16:53:10 <laudrain> s/isues/issues/
16:53:28 <Karen> q+
16:53:51 <tzviya> ack Karen
16:55:04 <laudrain> Thierry: in charter deliverable, a document list technologies
16:55:13 <ivan> list is: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/W3C_specs_for_DPUB
16:55:34 <laudrain> should be check in the wiki, to keep the document alive
16:55:56 <tzviya> q?
16:55:59 <laudrain> or publish it as an IG note
16:56:02 <ivan> q+
16:56:13 <tzviya> ack ivan
16:56:37 <laudrain> Ivan: third option. a note will frozen it
16:57:07 <laudrain> keep on wiki, the document will be editable only by members of the group
16:57:18 <tzviya> s/frozen/freeze
16:57:26 <laudrain> Prefer to put it in a more public area, public wiki
16:58:00 <laudrain> anyboby who has a public account can go and edit it
16:58:12 <laudrain> or put it on a github repo
16:58:32 <laudrain> prefer peopole would have the posibility to edit it
17:00:04 <laudrain> 2 sections : stable techno used in EPUB3, and techno in dev
17:00:40 <pkra> +q
17:00:49 <tzviya> ack pkra
17:01:50 <laudrain> Peter : MathML and MathML2 on the list, how do we manage the 2
17:02:34 <laudrain> Thierry : if th equestion is which version is currently usde in epub, a comment on the right to specify it
17:02:56 <Zakim> -Susann_Keohane
17:03:01 <laudrain> Bill: « used in publishing » comment
17:03:15 <pkra> I wasn't thinking about epub actually.
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17:03:56 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:03:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/15-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
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17:04:02 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:04:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/15-dpub-minutes.html ivan
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17:06:07 <ivan> thierry, do not close zakim!!!
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