14:08:46 RRSAgent has joined #dap 14:08:46 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/12/11-dap-irc 14:08:48 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:08:48 Zakim has joined #dap 14:08:50 Zakim, this will be DAP 14:08:50 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 52 minutes 14:08:51 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 14:08:51 Date: 11 December 2014 14:22:02 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Dec/0005.html 14:22:16 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Dec/0005.html 14:22:46 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 14:22:58 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 14:23:11 Regrets+ Anssi_Kostiainen 14:23:36 Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements 14:51:47 fjh_ has joined #dap 14:58:38 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 14:58:45 +[IPcaller] 14:58:52 zakim, ipcaller is me 14:58:52 +fjh; got it 15:00:25 +??P6 15:00:32 Present+ Mats_Wichmann 15:00:45 zakim, ??P6 is mats 15:00:45 +mats; got it 15:01:13 gmandyam has joined #dap 15:01:57 +??P9 15:02:09 Zakim, ??P9 is me 15:02:09 +dom; got it 15:02:16 +gmandyam 15:02:48 Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux, Giri_Mandyam 15:02:56 zakim, who is here? 15:02:56 On the phone I see fjh, mats, dom, gmandyam 15:02:58 On IRC I see gmandyam, fjh_, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mats, dom, tobie, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, mounir, trackbot 15:03:07 ScribeNick: fjh 15:04:45 Media Capture Task Force CfC "Adopt new W3C process for Media Capture documents” 15:04:45 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Dec/0001.html 15:05:10 Topic: Battery API 15:05:21 Battery API CR draft published: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Dec/0004.html 15:05:40 “This Candidate Recommendation is expected to advance to Proposed Recommendation no earlier than 03 February 2015" 15:05:54 Topic: Vibration API 15:06:02 Vibration API PR draft published: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Dec/0003.html 15:06:08 Comments through 20 January 2015 15:07:37 Topic: Minutes approval 15:07:45 Approve minutes from 13 November 2014 (v2) 15:07:45 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Nov/att-0016/minutes-2014-11-13.html 15:07:51 RESOLUTION: Minutes from13 November 2014 are approved 15:08:04 Topic: Generic Sensor API 15:08:14 follow up - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Nov/0018.html 15:08:26 a number of issues on github for follow up 15:08:52 https://github.com/w3c/sensors 15:09:22 follow up needed re Tim Volodine and Boris Smus joining WG? 15:09:42 presumably they need to initiate request to join 15:10:16 defer discussion for when we have participants, take to list 15:10:21 Topic: Cordova Update 15:10:28 Lisa not on call. defer. 15:10:40 Topic: Charter renewal 15:10:51 fjh: is this just happening 15:11:04 dom: have requested 1 year extension 15:11:30 … we previously discussed rechartering, but with no new work recently, extensibiiltiy mechanism not needed in short term 15:11:37 … simplest to extend current charter 15:11:59 … prefer to avoid full rechartering unless needed 15:12:15 fjh: is extension approved 15:12:28 dom: director reviews and approved, plan for review and approval next week 15:12:35 fjh: we will get a notice 15:12:37 dom: yes 15:13:04 fjh: expectation for new work? 15:13:12 dom: nothing firm but possibilities 15:13:31 Topic: Wake lock API 15:13:37 http://w3c.github.io/wake-lock/ 15:13:57 see also use cases document http://w3c-webmob.github.io/wake-lock-use-cases/ 15:14:05 gmandyam: what is permissions model 15:14:29 … cannot expose across 3rd parties 15:14:47 dom: model is that by default that all can do, but notification to user that screen is being locked 15:15:05 … model is ask for forgiveness model 15:15:09 gmandyam: do not like this model 15:15:23 … web sites can dramatically impact power consumption 15:15:32 dom: any app can do this today, via javascript 15:15:54 … timely for you to disagree, but there has been a discussion 15:16:31 gmandyam: not sure we’ve agreed to bring work into the group 15:16:38 dom: discussed, agreed we do not need to recharter 15:17:08 … if and when we recharter we would add explicitly to charter, but agreed to interpret charter to include this work item 15:17:30 … if you disagree then we need to know so we can got throught the rechartering process 15:17:48 gmandyam: we only have one browser committed to this 15:17:55 dom: two 15:18:54 gmandyam: will check on technical concerns regarding power consumption 15:19:12 dom: levels of disagreement: charter, useful for web, specifics of proposal 15:19:34 … need to be clear on which level of disagreement 15:20:07 gmandyam: are we going to progress the work or not, will got with it being in the charter and having implementer support 15:20:17 … need explicit decision to adopt editors draft 15:20:53 dom: push to FPWD would explicitly resolve decisions about progressing, considering in charter and enable call for exclusion 15:21:01 gmandyam: no decsions yet 15:21:17 dom: we have decision to get proposal in shape to enable FPWD decision 15:23:54 -dom 15:24:13 +??P9 15:24:14 Zakim, ??P9 is me 15:24:14 +dom; got it 15:25:09 q+ to say that CfC for FPWD is the right trigger for that 15:26:54 fjh: notes that FPWD triggers IPR obligations hence concern about scope, so want to know what will be in FPWD 15:27:08 gmandyam: would like to see dated version 15:27:21 dom: would want CfC for FPWD noting frozen version 15:29:15 fjh: how long a CfC suffices 15:29:27 gmandyam: a month is enough 15:29:55 gmandyam: no need to revisit charter concerns, so now only concerned about CfC and FPWD 15:30:54 fjh: will ask editors if draft in github is FPWD material 15:31:35 action: fjh to check with wake lock editors on stability and suitability for FPWD on wake lock api 15:31:35 Created ACTION-724 - Check with wake lock editors on stability and suitability for fpwd on wake lock api [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-12-18]. 15:31:57 Topic: Other APIs 15:32:06 Network Service Discovery http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-discovery-api-20140220/ 15:32:33 fjh: any other APIs to discuss? 15:33:33 NSD still under discussion, not clear it will be progressed or not 15:33:49 s/NSD/Network Service Discovery/ 15:34:08 Topic: Issues and Actions 15:34:14 action-712? 15:34:14 action-712 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to Look into chartering extensibility -- due 2014-12-01 -- OPEN 15:34:14 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/712 15:34:49 extending deadline for when extension expires 15:34:51 ATSC concluded that they would adopt the HbbTV approach to local network content dist.'n (based on technologies such as DIAL), and the NSD API is not necessary 15:34:59 ACTION-723? 15:34:59 ACTION-723 -- Zhiqiang Zhang to Add test for user denial of captured file leading to no capture -- due 2014-10-09 -- OPEN 15:34:59 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/723 15:35:28 for HTML Media Capture which is in CR; need to double check 15:35:42 action: fjh to follow up with Zhiquiang re ACTION-723 15:35:43 Created ACTION-725 - Follow up with zhiquiang re action-723 [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-12-18]. 15:36:06 ACTION-721? 15:36:06 ACTION-721 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to Check on call-in access to tpac plenary day breakout sessions, e.g. web api for health care sensors, next steps for web of things -- due 2014-10-09 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:36:06 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/721 15:36:10 close ACTION-721 15:36:10 Closed ACTION-721. 15:36:13 action-722? 15:36:13 action-722 -- Frederick Hirsch to Follow up on inviting bluetooth cg presentation at breakout -- due 2014-10-09 -- OPEN 15:36:13 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/722 15:36:17 close ACTION-722 15:36:17 Closed ACTION-722. 15:36:33 only one issue that is not network discovery 15:36:39 ISSUE-170? 15:36:39 ISSUE-170 -- light levels are not retrievable until a change causes the devicelight event to fire. -- open 15:36:39 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/170 15:37:41 ISSUE-170: under discussion as part of generic sensor API discussion, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Nov/att-0016/minutes-2014-11-13.html#item05 15:37:41 Notes added to ISSUE-170 light levels are not retrievable until a change causes the devicelight event to fire.. 15:37:44 will defer issue 15:38:09 actually might be better to create new generic sensor api product and associate, will do that 15:38:15 s/will defer issue/ 15:38:21 s/will defer issue// 15:38:59 dom: can expect more involvement in generic sensor api once we have more concrete proposals 15:39:44 Topic: Other Business 15:40:13 +1 on canceling Jan 8 15:41:02 RESOLUTION: cancel 8 Jan teleconference, next teleconference will be 22 January 15:42:14 -dom 15:42:16 -gmandyam 15:42:16 Topic: Adjourn 15:42:22 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:42:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/11-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:42:22 -mats 15:42:26 -fjh 15:42:27 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 15:42:27 Attendees were fjh, mats, dom, gmandyam 15:44:27 s/Comments through 20 January 2015/Comments through 20 January 2015 fjh: will any additional steps be needed to progress to REC if no concerns expressed dom: no, it should be straightforward/ 15:44:46 s/a number of issues on github for follow up/fjh: a number of issues on github for follow up/ 15:44:59 s/follow up needed re Tim Volodine and Boris Smus joining WG?/fjh: follow up needed re Tim Volodine and Boris Smus joining WG?/ 15:45:11 s/presumably/fjh: presumably/ 15:45:17 s/defer/fjh: defer/ 15:45:30 s/Lisa/fjh: Lisa/ 15:46:16 s/for HTML Media Capture/dom: for HTML Media Capture/ 15:46:29 s/extending deadline/dom: extending deadline/ 15:46:53 s/only one i/fjh: only one i/ 15:47:07 s/actually/fjh: actually/ 15:47:28 ’s/will defer issue//‘d 15:47:50 a/Topic: Other Business/fjh: cancel 8 Jan? 15:47:55 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:47:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/11-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:48:28 a/defer discussion/fjh: defer discussion/ 15:48:56 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:48:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/11-dap-minutes.html fjh 17:36:16 Zakim has left #dap