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19:59:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WPWG
19:59:13 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
19:59:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
19:59:14 <trackbot> Date: 10 December 2014
19:59:19 <plh> zakim, this will be per
19:59:20 <Zakim> ok, plh; I see RWC_web-per()3:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
19:59:59 <plh> agenda+ RT issue 2 + audio/video
20:00:07 <plh> agenda+ NT and getEntriesByType
20:00:18 <plh> agenda+ Splitting Resource Hints / Preload?
20:00:29 <plh> agenda+ Server Timing feedback?
20:00:38 <plh> agenda+ Performance Observer feedback?
20:00:49 <plh> agenda+ Frame Timing
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20:02:24 <Zakim> RWC_web-per()3:00PM has now started
20:02:26 <Zakim> +Plh
20:02:42 <Zakim> + +1.415.528.aaaa
20:03:30 <plh> zakim, aaaa is igrigorik
20:03:30 <Zakim> +igrigorik; got it
20:03:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:04:19 <Zakim> + +1.518.573.aabb
20:04:58 <plh> zakim, [IP is Bernhard
20:04:58 <Zakim> +Bernhard; got it
20:05:13 <plh> zakim, aabb is Michael
20:05:13 <Zakim> +Michael; got it
20:08:17 <plh> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2014Dec/0026.html
20:08:33 <plh> Topic: Frame Timing
20:09:14 <plh> plh: double cpuTime should be HRT
20:09:53 <plh> Michael: based on conversation, cpuTime will be the whole clock during from the start of the frame to done processing
20:10:16 <plh> ... sourceFrameNumber will be the frame index
20:10:52 <plh> ACTION: Plh to update cpuTime to use HR time
20:10:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-146 - Update cputime to use hr time [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2014-12-17].
20:11:22 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/frame-timing/pull/19
20:11:50 <plh> igrigorik: we need to update that one
20:11:58 <plh> ... and Michael will update it
20:12:13 <plh> Michael: yes, will do
20:12:58 <plh> Resolution: publish the FPWD once Michael is done with the change
20:13:41 <plh> plh: moratorium is tuesday or thursday next week
20:14:15 <plh> igrigorik: we had good feedback from mozilla and ms
20:14:30 <plh> Topic: Performane Observer feedback
20:14:49 <plh> igrigorik: maybe related to frame timing
20:15:07 <plh> ... we have outstanding issues to trigger when new resources are added to RT
20:15:24 <plh> ... the proposal is to add a subscriber
20:15:43 <plh> ... but frame timing fires often
20:16:03 <plh> ... proposal is to define a new "mutation" event for performance timeline
20:16:28 <plh> plh: we should make sure anne is in the loop on this imho
20:17:00 <plh> igrigorik: we probably need to formalize the use cases here
20:17:25 <plh> plh: I'll follow upon the list
20:17:31 <plh> s/upon/on/
20:17:42 <plh> Topic: Server Timing feedback
20:18:02 <plh> igrigorik: we circulated a draft with use cases and API
20:18:09 <plh> ... ideas at the moment
20:18:17 <plh> ... feedback seems positive
20:18:40 <plh> ... we need an official repo for it
20:18:46 <plh> ACTION: plh to make sure the repo
20:18:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-147 - Make sure the repo [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2014-12-17].
20:19:06 <plh> ACTIOn: plh to make sure it's ok with the charter
20:19:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-148 - Make sure it's ok with the charter [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2014-12-17].
20:19:41 <plh> Topic: Splitting Resource Hints / Preload
20:20:27 <plh> igrigorik: confusion about mandatory hints, etc.
20:20:32 <plh> .... from TPAC
20:20:53 <plh> ... best way is to separate preload from the rest
20:21:07 <plh> ... put the optinal semantic in a separate spec
20:21:56 <Zakim> -Michael
20:21:59 <plh> plh: I can do either way
20:22:05 <plh> igrigorik: it's easier to implement
20:23:15 <plh> ... I'll send a follow up asking for objection within a week
20:23:36 <plh> Topic: NT and getEntriesByType
20:24:53 <plh> igrigorik: chrome and ff returns an entry array
20:25:20 <Zakim> +Michael
20:25:29 <plh> ... ie returns data
20:26:28 <plh> plh: original thinking was to harmonize the specs and only use performancetimeline extension
20:26:41 <plh> igrigorik: in that case, we always return an array of size 1
20:27:00 <plh> ... we 'll need a test as well
20:27:27 <plh> plh: I'll raise an issue to follow up
20:27:51 <plh> Topic: Resource Timing
20:28:09 <plh> igrigorik: in the current spec, we referece RT L2
20:28:15 <plh> ... that should be removed
20:28:48 <plh> plh: I'd like to move the spec back to WD
20:28:58 <plh> ... that should take care of the note
20:29:42 <plh> igrigorik: why didn't we address audio/video in L1?
20:29:58 <plh> plh: I think we weren't sure about all the use cases at that time
20:30:16 <plh> ACTION: plh to update RT in /TR
20:30:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-149 - Update rt in /tr [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2014-12-17].
20:30:31 <plh> Topic: Page Visibility 2
20:31:11 <plh> plh: did you reach a conclusion with the chrome team?
20:31:20 <plh> igrigorik: Nat still opposes the change
20:31:45 <plh> ... we'd be much better off tackling element visibility
20:32:02 <plh> ... instead of hacking iframe
20:32:08 <plh> ... I'll follow up on this front
20:33:46 <plh> Topic: next meeting
20:33:54 <Zakim> -igrigorik
20:33:57 <plh> plh: I'll ping folks to see if we need a meeting next week
20:34:04 <Zakim> -Plh
20:34:04 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:34:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/10-webperf-minutes.html plh
20:34:05 <Zakim> -Michael
20:34:45 <Zakim> -Bernhard
20:34:47 <Zakim> RWC_web-per()3:00PM has ended
20:34:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Plh, +1.415.528.aaaa, igrigorik, [IPcaller], +1.518.573.aabb, Bernhard, Michael
20:34:59 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:34:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/10-webperf-minutes.html plh