19:45:43 RRSAgent has joined #aapi 19:45:43 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/12/09-aapi-irc 19:45:45 RRSAgent, make logs member 19:45:45 Zakim has joined #aapi 19:45:47 Zakim, this will be WAI_PF 19:45:47 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes 19:45:48 Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference 19:45:48 Date: 09 December 2014 19:47:48 chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer 19:48:31 regrets: Joanie_Diggs, David_Bolter, Bryan_Garaventa 19:48:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/09-aapi-minutes.html clown 19:49:17 scribenick: clown 19:49:42 WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started 19:49:49 +[GVoice] 19:49:56 zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer 19:49:56 +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it 19:50:02 zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer 19:50:02 ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer 19:50:38 agenda: this 19:50:43 agenda+ ACTION-1396: (Cynthia) UIA mappings for role grid to convey beyond table 19:50:51 agenda+ ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) Define the UIA mapping for aria-describedby when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies. 19:51:02 agenda+ ACTION-1311/ACTION-1444/ACTION-1445: (Joseph, Cynthia) Clarify that presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within tables/lists. 19:51:08 agenda+ ACTION-1254: (Joseph) Consume/cancel keydown event when keypress is consumed/cancelled. 19:51:14 agenda+ ACTION-1542: (Joanie) Verify the commit for mozilla bug 1013584 and report the atk role to joseph. 19:51:20 agenda+ ACTION-1531/ISSUE-435: (David) investigate ia2 mapping of role="text". 19:51:31 agenda+ ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role. 19:51:38 agenda+ Continue with ACTIONs/ISSUEs for core-aam 1.1: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23 19:51:43 agenda+ be done. 19:52:12 zakim, agenda 19:52:12 I don't understand 'agenda', clown 19:52:18 zakim, agenda? 19:52:18 I see 9 items remaining on the agenda: 19:52:20 1. ACTION-1396: (Cynthia) UIA mappings for role grid to convey beyond table [from clown] 19:52:20 2. ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) Define the UIA mapping for aria-describedby when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies. [from clown] 19:52:20 3. ACTION-1311/ACTION-1444/ACTION-1445: (Joseph, Cynthia) Clarify that presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within tables/lists. [from clown] 19:52:22 4. ACTION-1254: (Joseph) Consume/cancel keydown event when keypress is consumed/cancelled. [from clown] 19:52:22 5. ACTION-1542: (Joanie) Verify the commit for mozilla bug 1013584 and report the atk role to joseph. [from clown] 19:52:22 6. ACTION-1531/ISSUE-435: (David) investigate ia2 mapping of role="text". [from clown] 19:52:22 7. ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role. [from clown] 19:52:24 8. Continue with ACTIONs/ISSUEs for core-aam 1.1: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23 [from clown] 19:52:24 9. be done. [from clown] 19:52:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/09-aapi-minutes.html clown 19:56:53 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #aapi 20:00:40 +Rich_Schwerdtfeger 20:05:25 http://127.0.0.1/~richardschwerdtfeger/aria/svg-aam/svg-aam.html 20:05:50 http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html 20:06:04 +[Microsoft] 20:06:09 http://w3c.github.io/aria/svg-aam/svg-aam.html 20:07:16 http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html 20:11:07 http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_state-property 20:14:10 take up item 1 20:14:18 action-1396? 20:14:18 action-1396 -- Cynthia Shelly to Modify uaig to convey grid role in accessibility mappings, beyond table. (atk/atspi/ ia2 xml-role=grid, macosx: roledescription: grid, msaa/uiaexpress localizedcontroltype="grid"?) -- due 2014-11-15 -- CLOSED 20:14:19 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1396 20:14:30 JS: It's closed 20:14:35 CS: I just did it. 20:14:41 scribe: Rich 20:14:57 CS: action 1396 is done 20:15:19 http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-grid 20:15:36 JS: It looks like you want to change the UIA entry too 20:15:52 JS: … the TR 20:16:22 MSAA+UIA ROLE_SYSTEM_TABLE 20:16:32 JS: what should this be now? 20:16:46 UIA is DataGrid + seleciton pattern. 20:16:47 CS: IT should be the same as the UIA one 20:17:23 CS: It does fall back to table in MSAA if an legacy AT tries to access it 20:18:57 Rich: does this only Windows 10 or does it go all the way back 20:19:05 CS: it goes all the way back 20:19:53 take up next item 20:19:57 action 1396 reasigned to joseph 20:19:57 Error finding '1396'. You can review and register nicknames at . 20:20:11 action-1104? 20:20:12 action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies -- due 2015-01-14 -- OPEN 20:20:12 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104 20:20:14 CS: Action 1104 now changed to January 20:20:42 s/January/January 14/ 20:21:30 zakim, take up next item 20:21:30 agendum 3. "ACTION-1311/ACTION-1444/ACTION-1445: (Joseph, Cynthia) Clarify that presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within tables/lists." taken up [from clown] 20:21:40 action-1445? 20:21:40 action-1445 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate the ideal uai mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN 20:21:40 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445 20:22:42 JS: on FF on IA2 if you have a table with role=“presentation” the cells are exposed as text frames. In ATK they are exposed as text. What about UIA? 20:22:46 Text 20:22:49 CS: text 20:23:02 CS: Text Pattern 20:23:25 action-1311? 20:23:25 action-1311 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Clarify that presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within tables/lists; work out in UAIG 1.1 and with implementors/vendors how to resolve this. -- due 2014-11-15 -- OPEN 20:23:25 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1311 20:24:52 Rich: we need to deal with mapping of text content 20:25:34 JS: Alex we need to deal text api mapping like AccessibleText 20:26:28 Issue: Create a section in Core to address accessible text API for text content 20:26:28 Created ISSUE-687 - Create a section in core to address accessible text api for text content. Please complete additional details at . 20:27:24 Rich: we need this for SVG as well 20:27:48 http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#toc 20:30:10 Rich: A good place would be to put this in a new section under 5.6 that deals with text, test styling, caret position, etc. 20:30:30 https://developer.gnome.org/atk/unstable/AtkText.html 20:31:46 cyns has joined #aapi 20:32:03 http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/interface_i_accessible_text.html 20:32:15 http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/interface_i_accessible_text2.html 20:32:33 http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/interface_i_accessible_editable_text.html 20:32:47 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ff384841(v=vs.85).aspx 20:34:19 action-1444? 20:34:19 action-1444 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Update atk/at-spi2 mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. -- due 2014-11-15 -- OPEN 20:34:19 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1444 20:35:32 zakim, take up next item 20:35:32 agendum 4. "ACTION-1254: (Joseph) Consume/cancel keydown event when keypress is consumed/cancelled." taken up [from clown] 20:35:38 action-1254? 20:35:38 action-1254 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Work with WebApps working group to ensure that DOM spec states when a keydown event is consumed/cancelled that the corresponding keypress event is also cancelled. -- due 2014-12-09 -- OPEN 20:35:38 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1254 20:37:16 JS: It works in all the browsers and I contacted webapps to see if this was acceptable. 20:37:16 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA-UAIG/1.0/tests/test-files/test22.html 20:39:17 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dom3events/raw-file/tip/html/DOM3-Events.html#event-type-keydown 20:39:43 If this event is canceled, the associated event types MUST NOT be dispatched, and the associated actions MUST NOT be performed. 20:39:54 JS: if you go here this is one of the webapps documents. This is the keydown section of the DOM Events spec. 20:40:38 JS: I included this in my email to Travis and I asked if my interpretation was correct 20:41:18 JS: Leave this action open so that I can make sure that I have heard from Travis. 20:41:44 zakim, take up next item 20:41:44 agendum 5. "ACTION-1542: (Joanie) Verify the commit for mozilla bug 1013584 and report the atk role to joseph." taken up [from clown] 20:41:47 JS: Next week is the last meeting for this year 20:41:57 Jonie not here, skip it. 20:42:05 s/Jonie/Joanie/ 20:42:53 zakim, take up next item 20:42:53 agendum 6. "ACTION-1531/ISSUE-435: (David) investigate ia2 mapping of role="text"." taken up [from clown] 20:43:05 David is not here. Leave for next year. 20:43:28 zakim, bye 20:43:28 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, [Microsoft] 20:43:28 Zakim has left #aapi 20:43:35 RRSAGent, make log public 20:43:44 RRSAgent, make minutes 20:43:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/09-aapi-minutes.html richardschwerdtfeger 20:48:07 [aapi] UAI TF Meeting Agenda Tue Dec 09 2014 20:50:16 http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-describedat 23:14:53 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #aapi