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20:28:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
20:28:11 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()3:30PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
20:28:12 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
20:28:12 <trackbot> Date: 04 December 2014
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20:28:52 <Zakim> +krit
20:29:18 <Zakim> +Thomas_Smailus
20:29:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:30:02 <ed> Zakim, [IP is me
20:30:02 <Zakim> +ed; got it
20:30:19 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2014Dec/0004.html
20:30:41 <Zakim> +??P3
20:30:56 <stakagi> zakim, ??P3 is me
20:30:56 <Zakim> +stakagi; got it
20:32:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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20:33:15 <LJWatson> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:33:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see krit, Thomas_Smailus, ed, stakagi, [IPcaller]
20:33:26 <LJWatson> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
20:33:26 <Zakim> +LJWatson; got it
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20:34:10 <Tav> zakim, ??P7 is me
20:34:10 <Zakim> +Tav; got it
20:34:30 <ed> chair: ed
20:34:33 <ed> scribeNick: ed
20:34:41 <ed> Topic: Connectors
20:35:25 <ed> ED: just wanted to check the status on connectors proposal
20:35:47 <ed> ... tav: is the draft you have being updated with people's feedback?
20:36:22 <ed> Tav: will try to get feedback from svg-a11y, and update based on that, but am short on time
20:36:57 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
20:37:07 <Tav> http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/CONNECTORS/index.xhtml
20:37:10 <ed> ED: ok, and the previous editors draft for connectors, not being updated anymore I take it
20:37:32 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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20:38:02 <ed> DS: agree that the a11y-tf should look at connectors
20:38:19 <ed> Tav: I'll attend some of the meetings to hopefully get some feedback on this
20:39:24 <ed> topic: Upcoming F2Fs
20:39:47 <ed> ED: next F2F will be sydney, feb 2015
20:40:49 <ed> ... have checked with the office here, and Opera is willing to host in Linköping, Sweden in the spring, may - june sometime
20:41:29 <Zakim> +??P10
20:41:35 <nikos> Zakim, ??P10 is me
20:41:35 <Zakim> +nikos; got it
20:41:46 <ed> ... is that a good timeframe, and are there any other hosting offers?
20:42:07 <ed> LJWatson: html is meeting in may, possibly conflicting
20:42:51 <ed> krit: not sure we need to meet with html, but where are they meeting?
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20:42:53 <ed> LJWatson: paris
20:43:03 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
20:43:18 <Rossen_> zakim, microsoft has me
20:43:18 <Zakim> +Rossen_; got it
20:44:05 <Rossen_> what's the topic?
20:44:10 <ed> Tav: is Linköping easy to get to?
20:44:36 <ed> ED: there are flights via amsterdam or copenhagen, or you can fly to stockholm and then get a train from there
20:44:48 <Rossen_> certainly easier than India
20:45:47 <ed> Rossen_: would prefer europe
20:46:32 <ed> ED: I'd prefer first week of june over may
20:47:01 <ed> tav/rossen: yes, prefer that too
20:48:29 <ed> DS: it's slightly cheaper for me to travel to india, but I don't mind
20:49:13 <ed> ... doubt I'd be able to attend in Linköping, but that's a budget thing
20:49:23 <ed> ... shouldn't restrict our decision
20:50:23 <ed> RESOLUTION: we'll have a f2f in Linköping in early june 2015
20:51:11 <ed> Topic: cancelling 25 dec and 1 jan 2015 telcons
20:51:25 <ed> all: sounds good
20:51:37 <ed> nikos: regrets for me for the week before then too
20:52:25 <ed> topic: focus in IE
20:52:54 <shepazu> file:///Users/shepazu/Documents/Dev/SVG/accessibility/focus/focus-tabindex.html
20:53:48 <shepazu> http://schepers.cc/svg/accessibility/focus/focus-tabindex-0.svg
20:53:49 <shepazu> http://schepers.cc/svg/accessibility/focus/focus-tabindex.html
20:55:44 <ed> Rossen_: not quite sure what's going on, what's your expectation?
20:55:53 <ed> ... that it matches chrome?
20:56:07 <ed> DS: yes
20:56:41 <Zakim> -nikos
20:56:43 <ed> Rossen_: same tabindex everywhere and then you go through in document order
20:56:52 <ed> ... in IE the anchors are not focusable, but text is
20:56:57 <ed> ... could be a bug
20:57:08 <Zakim> +??P1
20:57:12 <ed> DS: need to make sure this is clear
20:57:47 <ed> ... trying to make sure there's partity with html with tabindex and focus
20:58:25 <ed> Rossen_: it should be just like in html, right?
20:58:56 <ed> DS: I expect it to match :active css rules
20:59:31 <ed> ... in general svg should match html, if you set tabindex on a div in html and you have some text, will you have focus there?
20:59:33 <ed> LJWatson: yes
20:59:54 <ed> DS: svg anchors should have the same behavior
21:00:08 <ed> LJWatson: does svg have a concept of interactive elements, like html?
21:00:26 <ed> DS: I think svg lacks some of this, but it should
21:00:54 <ed> Rossen_: in IE if you set focusable=true on the anchor it will be able to be focused
21:01:05 <ed> ... in svg
21:01:12 <ed> DS: good to know
21:01:29 <ed> ... do you know if there'll be an MS person attending the svg-a11y-tf?
21:01:59 <ed> Rossen_: I think so, but not sure
21:02:42 <ed> Topic: update on hinting in svg2
21:03:33 <ed> Rossen_: we spent some time collaborating with Rik on this
21:03:50 <ed> ... we have something that we'll try to put in a spec for line segments and strokes, and shapes
21:03:50 <shepazu> 
21:04:00 <ed> ... that's as far as we've got this far
21:04:18 <ed> ... probably not going to be done before the new year, but probably before our next f2f
21:04:28 <ed> ... bogdan has been actively looking at the svg2 spec
21:04:49 <ed> ... he's itemizing things offline
21:05:16 <ed> ... basically trying to solidify the spec into something we could ship, we aim to do this before our next f2f
21:05:36 <ed> DS: looking forward to it
21:05:59 <ed> ... will be good to hear about what we should and shouldnt put into svg2
21:06:25 <ed> nikos: would be good to get this feedback early, since we planned to ship svg2 spec directly after the f2f
21:07:02 <ed> Rossen_: didn't mean just before the f2f, we'll try to have this work done early and in good time before that
21:07:45 <Zakim> -LJWatson
21:07:48 <Zakim> -Thomas_Smailus
21:07:49 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
21:07:49 <Zakim> -ed
21:07:50 <Zakim> -stakagi
21:07:50 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
21:07:51 <Zakim> -krit
21:07:51 <Zakim> -??P1
21:07:53 <Zakim> -Tav
21:08:47 <ed> trackbot, end telcon
21:08:47 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
21:08:47 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been krit, Thomas_Smailus, ed, stakagi, LJWatson, Tav, Doug_Schepers, nikos, Rossen_
21:08:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
21:08:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-svg-minutes.html trackbot
21:08:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
21:08:56 <RRSAgent> I see no action items