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14:39:28 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:39:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:39:32 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:39:32 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 21 minutes
14:39:33 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:39:33 <trackbot> Date: 04 December 2014
14:39:50 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:39:55 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:40:17 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Dec/0003.html
14:40:40 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
14:40:55 <aphillip> agenda+ Review the Chinese Layout Task Force charter
14:41:20 <aphillip> agenda+ Indic Layout Requirements FPWD Transition Request
14:41:50 <aphillip> agenda+ Review of XSLT 3.0
14:41:50 <aphillip> agenda+ Review of LTLI draft
14:41:50 <aphillip> agenda+ Review of EAI
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14:43:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-minutes.html aphillip_
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14:58:36 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has now started
14:58:44 <Zakim> +Leandro
14:59:46 <Zakim> +aphillip
15:00:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:00:20 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:00:21 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:00:22 <Zakim> +Richard
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15:01:17 <Zakim> +??P12
15:01:18 <Zakim> + +1.703.948.aaaa
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15:01:24 <matial> zakim, ??p12 is me
15:01:24 <Zakim> +matial; got it
15:01:47 <Zakim> +JcK
15:01:50 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
15:01:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Leandro, aphillip, [IPcaller], Richard, matial, +1.703.948.aaaa, JcK
15:01:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see DennisTan, JcK, Leandro, aphillip, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, bobby, fsasaki, r12a, koji, fantasai, xiaoqian, trackbot
15:03:14 <bobby> zakim, [IPcaller] is bobby
15:03:14 <Zakim> +bobby; got it
15:03:55 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:03:58 <aphillip> agenda?
15:04:30 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:04:41 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:05:45 <aphillip> action-356?
15:05:45 <trackbot> action-356 -- Leandro Reis to Work on converting cldr alphabetic index data to css predefined counter styles using automatic means, evaluating suitability of the data, and report back to wg -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN
15:05:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/356
15:06:07 <aphillip> leandro: contacted cldr folks
15:06:07 <aphillip> ... got a reply that the index characters would work for most languages but not all
15:06:16 <r12a> shervin ashfar
15:06:16 <aphillip> ... one person mentioned that there is an open ticket for this
15:06:17 <Leandro> http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/7954
15:06:40 <aphillip> leandro: ticket above is to investigate adding this data to cldr
15:06:56 <aphillip> ... in addition worked on a script to extract the data
15:07:14 <aphillip> ... working with index characters
15:07:46 <aphillip> ... but should be used once data is in cldr
15:07:46 <aphillip> ... will share what I have now for evaluation
15:08:45 <aphillip> action-362?
15:08:45 <trackbot> action-362 -- Leandro Reis to Share information about public knowledge base materials for use on w3c site -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN
15:08:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/362
15:09:03 <aphillip> leandro: willing to help to move to github
15:09:06 <aphillip> close action-362
15:09:06 <trackbot> Closed action-362.
15:09:24 <aphillip> action: addison: set up github location for knowledgebase material
15:09:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-377 - Set up github location for knowledgebase material [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-12-11].
15:10:56 <aphillip> action-367?
15:10:56 <trackbot> action-367 -- John Klensin to Send richard coordinates for standards folks in china related to ebooks, etc. -- due 2014-11-20 -- OPEN
15:10:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/367
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15:12:12 <aphillip> action-368?
15:12:12 <trackbot> action-368 -- Dennis Tan Tanaka to Ping jck about chinese people working on eai -- due 2014-11-20 -- OPEN
15:12:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/368
15:12:46 <aphillip> JcK: at a meeting in Beijing on EAI deployment in october
15:13:02 <aphillip> close action-368
15:13:02 <trackbot> Closed action-368.
15:14:19 <aphillip> close action-372
15:14:19 <aphillip> close action-373
15:14:19 <aphillip> close action-374
15:14:19 <trackbot> Closed action-372.
15:14:20 <trackbot> Closed action-373.
15:14:20 <trackbot> Closed action-374.
15:14:23 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:14:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:16:53 <aphillip> agenda?
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15:17:02 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:17:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
15:17:14 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
15:18:10 <Zakim> +??P3
15:18:12 <aphillip> addison: added dpub annotations and web annotations
15:18:31 <aphillip> zakim, ??P3 is somnath
15:18:31 <Zakim> +somnath; got it
15:18:43 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
15:18:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Leandro, aphillip, bobby, Richard, matial, DennisTan, JcK, somnath
15:18:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see somnath, prashant, DennisTan, JcK, Leandro, aphillip, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, bobby, fsasaki, r12a, koji, fantasai, xiaoqian, trackbot
15:19:33 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
15:19:56 <aphillip> agenda?
15:20:02 <Zakim> +??P32
15:20:35 <Zakim> -somnath
15:20:59 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
15:20:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Leandro, aphillip, bobby, Richard, matial, DennisTan, JcK, ??P32
15:21:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see somnath, prashant, DennisTan, JcK, Leandro, aphillip, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, bobby, fsasaki, r12a, koji, fantasai, xiaoqian, trackbot
15:21:12 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:21:12 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Indic Layout Requirements FPWD Transition Request" taken up [from aphillip]
15:21:33 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/indic-layout/
15:21:44 <aphillip> richard: doc needs to move to FPWD so we can send for wide review
15:21:57 <aphillip> ... somnath and his colleagues have made changes to it based on comments
15:22:07 <aphillip> ... question is whether to move to FPWD
15:22:13 <aphillip> ... a few outstanding issues
15:22:18 <aphillip> ... two people have sent in comments
15:22:24 <aphillip> ... Norbert sent in a large list
15:22:51 <aphillip> richard: martin raised issue of whether we have permission to publish the pictures
15:23:13 <aphillip> somnath: items in document are locally copyright free
15:23:34 <aphillip> somnath: regarding norbert's comments
15:23:52 <aphillip> ... only working on specific languages currently
15:24:10 <aphillip> ... can get more reviews if we publish FPWD
15:24:35 <aphillip> richard: don't have a problem starting in Hindi
15:24:39 <aphillip> ... you mention Tibetan
15:24:50 <aphillip> .. and Chinese Layout TF will work on Tibetan
15:25:02 <aphillip> ... starting with Devanagari and then moving on to other languages okay
15:26:11 <aphillip> somnath: updated references
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15:27:25 <aphillip> action: addison: establish a tracker for the Indic Layout requirements document
15:27:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-378 - Establish a tracker for the indic layout requirements document [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-12-11].
15:27:49 <aphillip> richard: suggest that somnath (et al) respond directly to comments
15:27:57 <aphillip> .. before we publish as FPWD
15:28:03 <aphillip> ... just respond to the emails that have come in
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15:30:57 <aphillip> action: somnath: respond to all comment emails publicly and prepare updated draft of Indic layout document and send to richard
15:30:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-379 - Respond to all comment emails publicly and prepare updated draft of indic layout document and send to richard [on Somnath Chandra - due 2014-12-11].
15:31:05 <aphillip> richard: please run the spell checker
15:31:15 <aphillip> agenda?
15:31:41 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
15:31:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Leandro, aphillip, bobby, Richard, matial, DennisTan, JcK, ??P32
15:31:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see prashant_, somnath_, prashant, DennisTan, JcK, Leandro, aphillip, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, bobby, fsasaki, r12a, koji, fantasai, xiaoqian, trackbot
15:31:54 <aphillip> agenda?
15:32:09 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:32:09 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review the Chinese Layout Task Force charter" taken up [from aphillip]
15:32:24 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/groups/chinese-layout/charter-ri
15:32:25 <Zakim> -??P32
15:32:25 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/groups/chinese-layout/charter-ri
15:34:02 <aphillip> richard: potential chairs have been pinged
15:34:10 <aphillip> ... need to take this to my domain
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15:34:19 <aphillip> ... have some substantive comments
15:35:11 <aphillip> richard: remove IG Note publication step
15:35:15 <aphillip> ... no objections?
15:35:19 <aphillip> (none recorded)
15:35:33 <aphillip> richard: better way to identify who the TF is and what they are doing
15:35:40 <aphillip> .. should apply to Indic too
15:35:50 <aphillip> ... internal mailing list similar to member@
15:36:00 <aphillip> ... require them to announce meetings
15:36:04 <aphillip> ... publish minutes
15:36:09 <aphillip> ... and list who participated
15:36:22 <aphillip> addison: agree with that
15:36:36 <aphillip> bobby: +1
15:36:44 <aphillip> ... not sure where others are
15:38:01 <aphillip> richard: (discussion of "Chinese language" v. "languages of China")
15:38:27 <aphillip> richard: a large substantive change proposal...
15:39:03 <aphillip> ... joining the mailing list should not be the same as being a member of the TF
15:39:09 <aphillip> ... should require approval
15:39:28 <aphillip> ... TF are people contributing time consistently
15:39:38 <aphillip> ... public discussions and anyone can participate in those
15:39:44 <aphillip> ... but not TF members
15:39:59 <aphillip> ... need a separate way to apply to join
15:40:12 <aphillip> ... have a group in member db
15:40:48 <aphillip> addison: proposal? by invitation?
15:42:07 <Zakim> -matial
15:43:10 <aphillip> action: richard: contact beihang staff with additional comments and suggested changes to CLTF charter
15:43:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-380 - Contact beihang staff with additional comments and suggested changes to cltf charter [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-12-11].
15:43:37 <aphillip> agenda?
15:44:10 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:44:10 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Review of EAI" taken up [from aphillip]
15:44:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:45:30 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/EAI_Address_Issues
15:45:36 <matial> I don't hear anything
15:46:57 <aphillip> richard: think we should clearly say somewhere that we are innocent bystanders here :-)
15:47:21 <Zakim> +??P1
15:47:33 <matial> zakim, ??p1 is me
15:47:33 <Zakim> +matial; got it
15:57:52 <Zakim> -bobby
15:59:37 <aphillip> proposed-action: addison: update the wiki page on EAI and clarify fully the current situation based on today's teleconference, adding the reference to the EAI page when received from JcK
16:00:42 <Leandro> I need to drop off to attend another meeting. Talk to you next week.
16:00:47 <Zakim> -Leandro
16:01:20 <aphillip> action: JcK: check on EAI documentation pages and send a link to the WG
16:01:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-381 - Check on eai documentation pages and send a link to the wg [on John Klensin - due 2014-12-11].
16:01:25 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:01:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see aphillip, Richard, DennisTan, JcK, matial
16:01:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see DennisTan, JcK, aphillip, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, bobby, fsasaki, r12a, koji, fantasai, xiaoqian, trackbot
16:01:37 <aphillip> action: addison: update the wiki page on EAI and clarify fully the current situation based on today's teleconference, adding the reference to the EAI page when received from JcK
16:01:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-382 - Update the wiki page on eai and clarify fully the current situation based on today's teleconference, adding the reference to the eai page when received from jck [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-12-11].
16:02:00 <aphillip> agenda?
16:02:19 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:02:30 <aphillip> addison: will beg mercy from XSLT for one more week
16:02:51 <Zakim> -DennisTan
16:02:53 <Zakim> -matial
16:02:54 <Zakim> -aphillip
16:02:54 <Zakim> -JcK
16:02:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:03:03 <aphillip> Regrets: Steve
16:03:07 <r12a> zakim, drop richard please
16:03:07 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
16:03:09 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:03:09 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended
16:03:09 <Zakim> Attendees were Leandro, aphillip, Richard, matial, JcK, DennisTan, bobby, somnath
16:03:22 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world
16:03:27 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:03:29 <bobby> bobby has left #i18n
16:03:45 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:03:45 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:03:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: set up github location for knowledgebase material [1]
16:03:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-irc#T15-09-24
16:03:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: establish a tracker for the Indic Layout requirements document [2]
16:03:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-irc#T15-27-25
16:03:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: somnath: respond to all comment emails publicly and prepare updated draft of Indic layout document and send to richard [3]
16:03:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-irc#T15-30-57
16:03:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: contact beihang staff with additional comments and suggested changes to CLTF charter [4]
16:03:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-irc#T15-43-10
16:03:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JcK: check on EAI documentation pages and send a link to the WG [5]
16:03:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-irc#T16-01-20
16:03:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: update the wiki page on EAI and clarify fully the current situation based on today's teleconference, adding the reference to the EAI page when received from JcK [6]
16:03:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-i18n-irc#T16-01-37
16:03:49 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:03:49 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n